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[Sean Renaud]

You make a statement and can't back it up. It's your MO.

You are correct, I cannot back up that people regularly change their inflection and word choice based on their surroundings. But sure, without a link specifically of a white republican doing it in front of a black audience. Hell Obama does it,but that doesn't count he's black and a Democrat.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

When it comes to being "informed" you're a neophyte compared too me. I'm still waiting for proof that NKs had nukes in the 50s and 60s.

I was a cold warrior manning nuclear weapons. You think you know something about what was going on overseas, you know squat.

Spare me the ageist bullshit of being a neophyte compared "too" you. Your lack of knowledge on any number of topics is displayed daily.

I'm sure you're much more informed on the subject of jungle warfare against the Viet-Cong and canned corn than I, but I've forgotten more (and can't discuss even more than that) about nuclear weaponry than you've ever known.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Kim Il-sung was even crazier than his progeny and posterity. I don't see how he could have had nukes and not used them.

 

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[SgtSpiderMan]

When it comes to being "informed" you're a neophyte compared too me. I'm still waiting for proof that NKs had nukes in the 50s and 60s.

You never disappoint.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Kim Il-sung was even crazier than his progeny and posterity. I don't see how he could have had nukes and not used them.

The Soviet's didn't give control of the nukes to Crazy old Kim, but they were there. You can bet the farm on that.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Soviet's didn't give control of the nukes to Crazy old Kim, but they were there. You can bet the farm on that.

OK, that's believable. If there were Soviet missiles in Cuba, there might have been Soviet missiles in NK. I just can't buy NK having its own before China did.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I doubt it, I was working on the Atlas ICBM program before I joined the Marine Corps, and you manning a missile battery doesn't give you anymore knowledge of a nuclear warhead than any serviceman standing guard on them aboard ship or on the shore. It certainly doesn't give you superior knowledge of how the NKs are armed. So, show me the proof they had nukes in 50s and 60s.

I wasn't just "manning a missile battery" and have a lot more knowledge of nuclear weaponry than a serviceman standing guard duty on ship or shore.

I was a nuclear materiel specialist for the Pershing II missile system. I was and am intimately familiar with nuclear warheads, cryptography, launch procedures, targeting coordinates, etc. I spent three years with my finger resting on figurative "button" that would have triggered global thermonuclear war.

As such I was also very well informed of potential nuclear threats both current and past.

It's nice that you worked on Atlas ICBMs. Doing what exactly?

 

[sr71plt]

Nope, no Soviet nucs in North Korea. Their relations fell out in the 1950s. No way the Soviets would give control of anything like this to the North Koreans or that the North Koreans would allow the Soviets to control anything in North Korea. North Korea was a client state of China, although not an easily controlled one--by China or anyone else.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Nope, no Soviet nucs in North Korea. Their relations fell out in the 1950s. No way the Soviets would give control of anything like this to the North Koreans or that the North Koreans would allow the Soviets to control anything in North Korea. North Korea was a client state of China, although not an easily controlled one--by China or anyone else.

North Korea and the USSR were close allies during the cold war. Their falling out didn't happen until later, when the USSR started crumbling and the Russian Federation took shape in the late 80's, early 90s.

 

[sr71plt]

North Korea and the USSR were close allies during the cold war. Their falling out didn't happen until later, when the USSR started crumbling and the Russian Federation took shape in the late 80's, early 90s.

Nope. The falling out was in the 50s. The Soviets didn't support them in the Korean War and the Kim Il-song became disenchanted with Stalin's attempt to control even before that. I've worked arms control. The Soviets were never dumb enough to put nukes in North Korea. (The Chinese didn't give them much of anything that worked either. Neither the Soviets nor the Chinese were that dumb about North Korea's leadership).

 

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[Sean Renaud]

You said the Soviet Union gave them nukes, which is false. You can't find any proof, and you don't have a farm to bet, that's why it's so easy for you to say so.

Since this looks like one where you seem right at the moment. . .we were the aggressors and the USSR just stood there and took it like a bitch?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Nope. The falling out was in the 50s. The Soviets didn't support them in the Korean War and the Kim Il-song became disenchanted with Stalin's attempt to control even before that. I've worked arms control. The Soviets were never dumb enough to put nukes in North Korea. (The Chinese didn't give them much of anything that worked either. Neither the Soviets nor the Chinese were that dumb about North Korea's leadership).

Although they denied active participation, the Soviet Union played a significant, covert role in the conflict through its provision of material, medical services, as well as Soviet pilots and aircrafts (most notably MiG 15 jet fighters), and many aircraft carriers to aid the North Korean-Chinese forces engaged in combat with United Nations Forces during the Korean war.

Soviet military aid was instrumental to equipping both North Korean and Chinese armies in Korea. The Soviet PPSh-41 (nicknamed by US forces the "Burp Gun" after the sound it made) was widely supplied to both armies, as was the T-34/85 tank which was of great importance during the first offensive when no US armor or anti-tank rockets could penetrate its armor.

Soviet material aid was also fundamental for the air force. By April 1950, the Soviet Union had provided 63 of the air force's 178 aircraft.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

Incidental facts that aren't in dispute. Where is the proof that Soviets gave the NKs nuclear warheads?

They are facts that dispute the post I quoted, moron.

I already gave my reasoning behind the Soviets stationing nukes at the North Korea South Korea border. I didn't say they "gave" them anything idiot, learn to read. You can argue and scream for "proof" from now till doomsday comes.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I was a cold warrior manning nuclear weapons. You think you know something about what was going on overseas, you know squat.

Spare me the ageist bullshit of being a neophyte compared "too" you. Your lack of knowledge on any number of topics is displayed daily.

I'm sure you're much more informed on the subject of jungle warfare against the Viet-Cong and canned corn than I, but I've forgotten more (and can't discuss even more than that) about nuclear weaponry than you've ever known.

According to your bio, you were born in 1967, and would have been in your early twenties when the Cold War with the USSR ended.

 

[sr71plt]

Nope, the Soviets put no nuclear weapons in North Korea. They weren't the dumb. Cuba is not North Korea.

The Soviets helped North Korea with nuclear energy for peaceful uses in the early 60s but pulled even that aid out in the 80s when North Korea was bending that into weapons research.

It's just tough and doesn't really affect anything if you don't believe that. The Soviets have always been a whole lot more careful with nuclear weaponry than even the United States has been. Again, it doesn't really matter for anyone here to believe that for it to be true.

 

[1sickbastard]

Although they denied active participation, the Soviet Union played a significant, covert role in the conflict through its provision of material, medical services, as well as Soviet pilots and aircrafts (most notably MiG 15 jet fighters), and many aircraft carriers to aid the North Korean-Chinese forces engaged in combat with United Nations Forces during the Korean war.

Soviet military aid was instrumental to equipping both North Korean and Chinese armies in Korea. The Soviet PPSh-41 (nicknamed by US forces the "Burp Gun" after the sound it made) was widely supplied to both armies, as was the T-34/85 tank which was of great importance during the first offensive when no US armor or anti-tank rockets could penetrate its armor.

Soviet material aid was also fundamental for the air force. By April 1950, the Soviet Union had provided 63 of the air force's 178 aircraft.

What do you mean by 'aircraft carriers'?
The Soviet Navy didn't include ASW helicopter Moskva-class until the mid/late 1960's and the Kiev-class CV's didn't enter service until the 1970's.
If you are referencing something else, would you mind clarifying?

 

[1sickbastard]

According to your bio, you were born in 1967, and would have been in your early twenties when the Cold War with the USSR ended.

Actually, he would have been 18 in 1985, the age most kids join up. The Berlin Wall didn't fall until 1989 and the USSR dissolved in 1991.

 

[1sickbastard]

OK, that's believable. If there were Soviet missiles in Cuba, there might have been Soviet missiles in NK. I just can't buy NK having its own before China did.

There would have been no point in positioning nuclear missiles in the DRNK. Strategic targets in Japan could be reached from the USSR.