We Get Gay Marriage in CA and all you can talk about is:

[kbate]

Yeah, you folks in CA are so special and enlightened.....How dare the rest of us un-special people not immediately applaud your uniqueness!

I am pleased that you grew up in the Bay area, are heterosexual and are curious about homo/bi-sexuality. However I wish you were slightly more capable of reading what was posted and in context. The OP "we" denominated homosexual people in general, not homosexual persons who live in/about the Golden State. Perhaps it is arrogant of me to assume that readers of a worldwide forum, might understand that some of us write to a larger audience than those in our home states.

Etoile is correct, I share residence with you in the Old Dominion, which chose to make Gay Unions a constitutional impossibility.


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Etoile,

I would like to see a forum for discussion of homosexual issues, news and events, but I fear that the participation would be limited to the seven or eight of us who participate in serious discussion in the existing Lbgt forum. I believe that given the number of participants who regularly discuss anything non-sexual, the need for a new forum isn't sufficient to warrant the space.

But - it's a great idea.

 

[Etoile]

carlisme: go fuck yourself ! ! !, and you being a "heterosexual" doesn´t mean you aren´t an asshole, since you are more than just that. You are a fucking asshole, and hurrah for the Californians Heck, I want to be a sub moderator then, if there comes a subforum and I hope Etoile, can be my teacher in that so I vote yes for a sub forum. And Etoile, you need a giant hug and a very friedly kiss on the cheek, or if you prefer the gentleman kiss, then I am giving you that.

I don't think we'll need moderators for the sub-forum, but thanks for the offer.

 

[Etoile]

This is, after all, Literotica, so I am not surprised that the posters are more interested in fantasy than news.

I'm not surprised either. Not at all.

However, it's also a community, and some of us would like to discuss other things too.

 

[Etoile]

I am pleased that you grew up in the Bay area, are heterosexual and are curious about homo/bi-sexuality. However I wish you were slightly more capable of reading what was posted and in context. The OP "we" denominated homosexual people in general, not homosexual persons who live in/about the Garden State. Perhaps it is arrogant of me to assume that readers of a worldwide forum, might understand that some of us write to a larger audience than those in our home states.

Etoile is correct, I share residence with you in the Old Dominion, which chose to make Gay Unions a constitutional impossibility.

I was going to suggest that he learn to read at more than a fourth-grade level, but I forgot. That's what I get for posting in the car.

 

[carlisme]

Hi all,

An apology is in order...Sorry for my comments in this post. I guess I need to live and let live... Life is a learning experience and I guess I have some more learning to do. Again, sorry...

 

[BiBunny]

I practically never post over here because the fluff threads don't really interest me that much, but I'd probably show my face more often if there was a "serious" subforum. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one such a subforum would attract, either.

(Well, that and the fact that I want to perv on Etoile.)

 

[Misty_Morning]

I have to admit I don't know much about the recent ruling - I have been out of the loop, all I heard was something happened. I do note that this board is notorious for not wanting to talk about real stuff. Hmmm...maybe I'll ask for a "News and Issues" sub-forum. Anybody interested?

*waving arms wildly and jumping up and down*

Yes, I think thats a fanfuckingtastic idea.

You know that I have expressed some interest in talking about social issues that GLBT's are faced with in life. But I have been reluctant after expressing my opinions to you in PM's.

I would never want folks to be intimidated and possibly avoid this forum...but dammit...we all face so much shit daily that we need to vent, debate and provide possible stategies for overcoming the prejudices we experience.

By providing a place such as that, I believe that it would actually draw more folks into the forum, even hets. One thing about lit...I have never found a more accepting and supportive place for "us".



Count me in, Darlin.

 

[Misty_Morning]

I am truly surprised by the negative responses to a sub-forum for non-sex issues. For myself, I'd love to have a place to talk about same-sex marriage, gay parenting, ENDA, and other issues. Why is it so hard to see that not everyone is here to talk about sex, or that people sometimes have interests beyond sex?

The suggestion that "the board can't support it" or "it won't get much traffic" is silly. How do we know unless we try? There are a LOT of people - I know several personally - who don't hang around here because it's so hard to find non-sex oriented discussion. Hell, I'm one of the mods, and I don't post here for that reason.

I'm going to get it set up. We'll see how it goes.

Won't get much traffic?

Hell, one of the reasons that I don't post here anymore is the fact that there is limited rational discussion of GLBT matters.

Set up a sub-foum for these types of discussions and I believe folks will become interactive.

Hell, just look at the number of times this thread has been viewed.

People as interested.

 

[alaskabibear]

Hi all,

An apology is in order...Sorry for my comments in this post. I guess I need to live and let live... Life is a learning experience and I guess I have some more learning to do. Again, sorry...

Carlisme,

This is a very positive, mature and graceful apology. I think with this attitude you will be a welcomed member into this community.

One thing I have noticed in the more "serious discussions" is the fact that people tend to take the issues too personally. And instead of conducting a rational and informed conversation, it tends to degenerate into mud-slinging and name calling. In fact I have heard that given as the reason many do not participate in such conversations. That need not be the case if everyone will only remember the wise words of Thumpers mother; "If you can't say something nice, it is better to say nothing at all..."

 

[Etoile]

It should be showing up shortly. I think it's going to be fine. Those who dislike it can avoid it; really it's just making these threads easier to find.

 

[none2_none2]

I think some are missing another important point. The whole pro/anti Gay marriage is splintered. Forget about the non-gays for a moment... Some gays don't want it because they view marriage as trying to imitate heterosexuals which in their anti-everything-heterosexual, leaves a bad taste. Some gays don't like it because they don't like the trappings of the expectation of monogamy. I also remember a case on TV where a gay couple was getting divorced because they didn't like the financial arrangement. The one wanted his money at death to all go to his kids from a former heterosexual relationship. (I don't know how the other partner really felt, but they were NOT planning on breaking up, just getting a divorce to go back to their old living together arrangement.

Personally, I have always wanted Gay Marriage. Not that I'm going to go out and marry my partner. Rather, that pride that it would be available if I so choose to act upon it. The reason I'm not jumping to do so is that I don't think it is safe to do so, even if it was legal. I think sometimes that gays living in an urban gay ghetto forget just how many non-gays are out there and just how many of them find our very existence repugnant. Beyond that, the main thing for me on the marriage was probably the religious aspect of it. Since my partner is kind of agnostic, it would be mean to drag him off to a church. Again, he isn't atheist. He just has doubts. Of course, gay marriage is about the legal stuff since we cannot force a religious body to change. Maybe one day I'll be more concerned about it.

 

[Tantric_in_oc]

Relax asshole

This isn't a political website. Some of us want to get off. Good luck on your marraige quest, but pull that stick out of your ass first.

 

[Etoile]

This isn't a political website. Some of us want to get off. Good luck on your marraige quest, but pull that stick out of your ass first.

Did you even read this thread, or were you just spouting off about nothing?

Newsflash: Nobody's preventing you from getting off. Shut the fuck up.

 

[Wolfman1982]

I don't think we'll need moderators for the sub-forum, but thanks for the offer.

The offer still stands, if you need a moderator.

 

[Powertone]

it's great that a handful of appointed judges can over-ride the will of the people and read shit in the constitution that isn't there.not a single state has given the thumbs up to same sex marriage when it's on the ballot.but who gives a fuck...bring it on...we'll just have to accept it or at least pretend to.

 

[ima6uldv8]

"hostile results"? you've got to be kidding, really?

The OP contributed to the negativity, IMO. That's the impression I got when I read it.

 

[alaskabibear]

it's great that a handful of appointed judges can over-ride the will of the people and read shit in the constitution that isn't there.not a single state has given the thumbs up to same sex marriage when it's on the ballot.but who gives a fuck...bring it on...we'll just have to accept it or at least pretend to.

The Constitution never was, nor was it ever intended to be a document enacted by majority rule (read mob rule). It rises above the temptation of allowing any majority to control the entire population simply because they might have a 51% vote. And yes, the Constitution established the very system of judges that you seem to deride. Before you throw your lot into a pure "majority rule" type of government, I would suggest that you consider what little things about yourself might a "majority" come to find offensive (perhaps the color of your skin, or your eyes - or maybe your religious beliefs - or lack of same - or maybe that you are a "pervert" reading pornography on the web...)?

By the way, I wonder how you feel about the Court's decision to name G. Bush as President - that sure seems to be one of those things you speak of that "we'll just have to accept...". However, as with all decisions made by any judge, some people like it and others don't. But then IF everyone could just live and let live - doing no harm to others for our brief stay here, we wouldn't need courts at all - would we?

But I wish you would have said why you are so obviously opposed to two people who love one another having the right to marry. As it is, I got very little out of your post.

 

[Powertone]

By the way, I wonder how you feel about the Court's decision to name G. Bush as President - that sure seems to be one of those things you speak of that "we'll just have to accept..."

But I wish you would have said why you are so obviously opposed to two people who love one another having the right to marry. As it is, I got very little out of your post.

Yeah.That SC decision stopping the shenanigans of Albert Gore,Jr...I've wondered how many votes Al was hoping to invent to declare himself winner in Floriduh.1 more than Bush and he's president? The brazen little fucker.

Marriage,until very very recently,was viewed as 1 man 1 woman and held as such since before Christ.Only now,in the wisdom and activism of homosexuals has it been deemed discriminatory.A great deal of homosexuals,I believe,loathe and detest "normalcy" and would like nothing more than to see it vanish, so marriage is a hurdle that must be toppled to "get there". Love has nothing to do with it.My best friend loves his girlfriend and they've lived together for 20 years.Gay marriage will set about an unraveling in society.The effects of it will not be felt for sometime but indeed,there will be an "awakening" when many straight "gay sympathizers/activists" and many in the Gay community,will dread their selfish "fuck you" that they foisted upon society.
Many will delight,however...mocking and ridiculing heterosexuality is an ardent pastime among the "alternative" lifestyle practitioners.

signed,semen4her ( a BREEDER)

 

[greyhoundlvr86]

I agree

.Those of us who started out "curious" 20 or 30 years ago and had no one to talk to about it appreciate this site for giving us the ability to talk sexy about others of our own gender, explore questions and possibilities, even look at pictures and maybe even hook up. And there are a lot of people out there who are becoming more aware and confident in their sexuality through discussions in this forum. But I would also love to talk about other issues, such as gay parenting, gay rights, news from the GLBT community... might even clear up some of my issues that have kept me in the closet for 30 years".


I completely agree with you. It's sites like this that allow us to talk to others and have a some what of a sound board instead of being scared or unsure by ourselves. I thank the gays and lesbians who lived their lives under such a horrible amount of pain by hiding who they were, paving the way for the future. I have nothing but respect for them.

 

[kbate]

Love has nothing to do with it.My best friend loves his girlfriend and they've lived together for 20 years.Gay marriage will set about an unraveling in society.The effects of it will not be felt for sometime but indeed,there will be an "awakening" when many straight "gay sympathizers/activists" and many in the Gay community,will dread their selfish "fuck you" that they foisted upon society.

Complete bullshite speculation which you cannot back up with a single valid fact. Marriage has nothing to do with society - it has to do with government sponsoring a single male/female union and favouring it with tax benefits and special legal rights (medical decision, automatic inheritance, etc.); it has nothing to do with love for heterosexual marriage anymore than homosexual marriage.

Most homosexuals who are for some kind of marriage - would be just as happy if we could have the same rights (two of which are listed above) without having to marry. As we have it now - should I die tomorrow - my estate would go to probate despite the fact that I am in a long term steady relationship with my partner. We have no legal standing and my will - if contested would certainly be overturned giving my estate to my Parents or Brother to control until my child reaches majority (yes, I am capable of breeding too - despite being lesbian).

Society unravel because gays say "I do"? Don't make me laugh. If the institution has any strength or value - more people marrying won't damage it - no matter their sexual preference.

Lay out facts or shut up. Religious statements are not facts. Tell us exactly how society will unravel. Give examples. Give proofs.

 

[John Doe]

Well, aren't you even more Holier Than Thou than usual.

 

[Powertone]

Complete bullshite speculation which you cannot back up with a single valid fact. Marriage has nothing to do with society - it has to do with government sponsoring a single male/female union and favouring it with tax benefits and special legal rights (medical decision, automatic inheritance, etc.); it has nothing to do with love for heterosexual marriage anymore than homosexual marriage.



Lay out facts or shut up. Religious statements are not facts. Tell us exactly how society will unravel. Give examples. Give proofs.

So,uh...you want to marry for tax purposes? Yeah...that's why I married my wife.
STFU.

Lay out facts or shut up? Get real.Your gay desire to marry is juvenile and you're throwing a tantrum about it is even more childish.Get a grip,grow up,shut up.

 

[Etoile]

So,uh...you want to marry for tax purposes? Yeah...that's why I married my wife.
STFU.

Your reasons for marrying are irrelevant to why gays want to marry. The fact is, there are 1,138 benefits to federally recognized marriage. You get them, we don't. So yeah, they are a reason gays want to marry. To be equal.

I don't care what it's called, marriage or civil union or whatever. I just want equal rights.

 

[kbate]

So,uh...you want to marry for tax purposes? Yeah...that's why I married my wife.
STFU.

Lay out facts or shut up? Get real.Your gay desire to marry is juvenile and you're throwing a tantrum about it is even more childish.Get a grip,grow up,shut up.

Once again, you fail to understand the post you quoted. I did not say anywhere that I was an advocate of marriage in any way whatsoever, or that I wish to marry my partner.

I wish to have the same LEGAL rights that marriage confers to heterosexual couples. I do not care one whit if we stand before a priest and say "I do".

It is time for the governments to acknowledge that homosexuality is here, it has always been here and is here to stay. It is time for idiots, such as you, to acknowledge that we are the same as you and deserve the same treatment from government - whether in jobs, military or in marriage.

But, you want to protect something you can't even define and can't even give one reason it needs to be protected - other than some emotional "ruination of society".

If Homosexual marriage is going to ruin the world, I would like to know exactly how. If I have that kind of power - I want to find a way to channel it into something.

 

[Tymeless]

Once again, you fail to understand the post you quoted. I did not say anywhere that I was an advocate of marriage in any way whatsoever, or that I wish to marry my partner.

I wish to have the same LEGAL rights that marriage confers to heterosexual couples. I do not care one whit if we stand before a priest and say "I do".

It is time for the governments to acknowledge that homosexuality is here, it has always been here and is here to stay. It is time for idiots, such as you, to acknowledge that we are the same as you and deserve the same treatment from government - whether in jobs, military or in marriage.

But, you want to protect something you can't even define and can't even give one reason it needs to be protected - other than some emotional "ruination of society".

If Homosexual marriage is going to ruin the world, I would like to know exactly how. If I have that kind of power - I want to find a way to channel it into something.

Damn I couldn't of said this better myself.