What do "Progressives" want?

[BotanyBoy]

You mean the way it's understood in contemporary US political discourse, which really isn't a universal definition.

Nope but it's what's being discussed here.

For Europeans, democratic socialism is not the same as communism

Because they still hold out hope that the utopia is just around the corner!!!

Anyone else realizes socialism is just the means by which the communists pursue their objectives.

You don't have to look very hard at ANY political ideology before you'll find at least a handful of shitty extremists factions under its banner, but if you want a constructive debate on an idea, it's helpful to agree on a definition.

Constructive debate on lit - what am I saying...

KO's link is pretty agreeable to most including most "progressives" .....do you disagree?

https://ourrevolution.com/issues/

 

[BotanyBoy]

Voter suppression?

Weakened alliances?

Trade wars?

Cat got your tongue? Sure it does.

You cannot honestly address my post without showing your true colors.

Give your lapdog AJ a belly scratch. He deserves it.

Stay off topic!! NO discussing progressivism!! Take that spotlight elsewhere!!!



If you two have to deflect from your ideals because you can't defend them, maybe you should reconsider your political ideology.

Or just keep bullshitting out of embarrassment and shame...that's just as entertaining.

 

[Rightguide]

And the Communists always endorse the Democrat. That's no reason not to vote Democrat. Did you refuse to vote for Trump because David Duke was on his side?

The point is, you endorse a lot of communist ideas. Your movement has been hijacked by the CPUSA, you just haven't figured it out yet. Your movement Our Revolution is linked to them on their web site.

 

[phrodeau]

Stay off topic!! NO discussing progressivism!! Take that spotlight elsewhere!!!



If you two have to deflect from your ideals because you can't defend them, maybe you should reconsider your political ideology.

Or just keep bullshitting out of embarrassment and shame...that's just as entertaining.

Oh the irony.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Because they still hold out hope that the utopia is just around the corner!!!

No, because they like what they've got now.

Anyone else realizes socialism is just the means by which the communists pursue their objectives.

The countries in question have had social democracy for decades, and the Communist parties have grown no stronger in that time, and the governments not one step nearer to totalitarianism. There's no slippery slope here. The social democracies are free countries. Check out the Democracy Index.

 

[Kirkrapine]

The point is, you endorse a lot of communist ideas. Your movement has been hijacked by the CPUSA, you just haven't figured it out yet. Your movement Our Revolution is linked to them on their web site.

Doesn't matter. See above post.

 

[SalviaDivinorum]

Nope but it's what's being discussed here.

Maybe

Because they still hold out hope that the utopia is just around the corner!!!

Anyone else realizes socialism is just the means by which the communists pursue their objectives.

You sound a little bit patronizing about the populations of a continent that have fought two world wars on its land and who have suffered - and overthrown - totalitarian communist, fascist and nazi regimes. Political naivety is simply not an serious accusation, especially not coming from the US of A.

KO's link is pretty agreeable to most including most "progressives" .....do you disagree?

https://ourrevolution.com/issues/

Interesting as global concepts but with mainly irrelevant details regarding the UK and most of Europe. I mean goals like 2weeks paid holiday and 7 days paid sick leave! I have 6 weeks holiday, paid at time and a half and I have paid sick leave until I get well.

In the UK our concern would be more about preventing the Tories (conservatives) from removing existent contracts and welfare insurances. Just look at Macron fiddling with unemployment and other social insurances in France.

 

[Rightguide]

Doesn't matter. See above post.

I'm not really interested now that I know how utterly stupid you are. I think I'm putting you on Iggy instead. You're hopelessly damaged.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I'm not really interested now that I know how utterly stupid you are. I think I'm putting you on Iggy instead. You're hopelessly damaged.

Your intellectual cowardice is entirely typical of the RW.

 

[Saint Peter]

Petey, if you're not a coward, start a thread or defend your Progressive buddies.



Most of us are convinced that you are too cowardly to defend your convictions.

The irony here is that the "Conservatives" are more than happy to watch their convictions trumpled and the ideals that guided generations of "Conservatives" to be taxed and pussy grabbed.

The real coward stares back at you in the mirror.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The irony here is that the "Conservatives" are more than happy to watch their convictions trumpled and the ideals that guided generations of "Conservatives" to be taxed and pussy grabbed.

The real coward stares back at you in the mirror.

I note that you didn't start a thread or address the topic.

I believe that you are afraid to do either coward.

 

[HisArpy]

Your intellectual cowardice is entirely typical of the RW.

At one point when I first started hanging out here, you had style and wit. You could actually debate your points.

You lost your shit and got banned. For awhile afterward I wondered if you'd come back so that there would be someone who actually could discuss things without resorting to the GB method of "internet winning".

Now you're back and instead of style and wit, what I see is a mix of the things that got you banned and someone who cannot actually discuss the C&P nonsense they post beyond the talking point propaganda in those postings.

It's a shame. Really.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Distraction...


The topic is Progressives? I don't like that. Too close to home.

LOOK! CONSERVATIVES!​

 

[bellisarius]

Hey, let's talk about mobs then.

 

[Saint Peter]

Hey, let's talk about mobs then.

I note that you didn't address my post.

I believe that you are afraid to do either coward.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Hey, let's talk about mobs then.

I like The Sopranos. But if it's realistic, how far they have fallen! Don Corleone lives in a compound; Tony Soprano lives in a suburban McMansion. Tony quarrels with his wife about what orange juice she buys; Don Corleone has servants to squeeze his oranges (and other servants to prepare his fruit juice).

 

[Kirkrapine]

At one point when I first started hanging out here, you had style and wit. You could actually debate your points.

You lost your shit and got banned. For awhile afterward I wondered if you'd come back so that there would be someone who actually could discuss things without resorting to the GB method of "internet winning".

Now you're back and instead of style and wit, what I see is a mix of the things that got you banned and someone who cannot actually discuss the C&P nonsense they post beyond the talking point propaganda in those postings.

It's a shame. Really.

Talk to the sig.

 

[SpeareChucker]

I note that you didn't address my post.

I believe that you are afraid to do either coward.

Distraction...


The topic is Progressives? I don't like that. Too close to home.

LOOK! CONSERVATIVES!​

If that's what you really want to talk about, start a thread for the rest of your LWCJ.

Man up. Stop being a metrosexual...

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh the irony.

Is???

Yea didn't think you could underline that one either.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, because they like what they've got now.

Good for them and all the more reason we need to quit protecting them......take our ball and go home.

The countries in question have had social democracy for decades, and the Communist parties have grown no stronger in that time, and the governments not one step nearer to totalitarianism.

Yea because everything is going well for the moment, when shit gets ugly again? Some leftist shithead will be democratically elected god king somewhere.

The social democracies are free countries. Check out the Democracy Index.

Again.....for like the 200th time.......democracy =/= freedom.

 

[Rokk0n]

Talk to the sig.

Vote for Santa Claus

 

[BotanyBoy]

You sound a little bit patronizing about the populations of a continent that have fought two world wars on its land and who have suffered - and overthrown - totalitarian communist, fascist and nazi regimes.

Well maybe if they quit coming back for more time and time again, I wouldn't look down my nose at them the same way they do us.

Political naivety is simply not an serious accusation, especially not coming from the US of A.

And that is the arrogance that keeps you begging us to help you clean up your own back yard bullshit time and time again.

BTW how many psychopathic depots have come out of the USA trying to conquer the world?

You guys can't stop democratically electing them.....got THOUSANDS of years of doing it over and over and over again from ancient Rome right into the 90's.

Right, so we get to shit talk your political naivety all we want.

Interesting as global concepts but with mainly irrelevant details regarding the UK and most of Europe.

UK and Europe aren't the topic....progressivism as a political concept is, get here faster.

I mean goals like 2weeks paid holiday and 7 days paid sick leave!

Aren't any of the governments fucking bidniz from a western liberal and USAnian perspective.

 

[Oblimo]

How? They cut taxes.

They cut taxes disproportionately. And at the same time, they barely make a dent in the budget. Nobody can spend tax dollars as fast and as furiously as the GOP.

So your farm winds up paying for the tax relief of far bigger corporations.

 

[CandiCame]

Vote for Santa Claus

No. I support my elven brethren.

Autocorrect really wants to make that "eleven" but that's not what I mean.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Good for them and all the more reason we need to quit protecting them......take our ball and go home.

Agreed. They don't really need us any more; Russia's not about to invade them.

Yea because everything is going well for the moment, when shit gets ugly again? Some leftist shithead will be democratically elected god king somewhere.

Things have been going ugly in Europe recently, but that has not happened and does not appear likely to, not even in Greece. The real danger there is not leftists, but fascists like the Golden Dawn.

Again.....for like the 200th time.......democracy =/= freedom.

And again, if you have to choose between them you should choose democracy. Any form of "freedom" that allows the economic inequality we have here is worthless, not least because it allows the rich to use their money to wield political power far out of proportion to their numbers. Democracy is better than plutocracy.

The social democracies, however, remain free countries by any reasonable standard, with a high level of respect for human rights, better than our own in some cases.