What do you think about monarchy?

[JohnSm123]

Which “intermediate state” do you favor? How much power do you want a king to have?

Leadership of the government and the right to approve/veto bills voted by the parliament.

 

[RachelWalsh]

Not much honestly

 

[drusus]

Leadership of the government and the right to approve/veto bills voted by the parliament.

That would lead to the monarchy being able to select or reject bills that suited its own position.

The French royal family bankrupted the economy in the 18th century and refused any attempt rein in its spending or reform their finances. This was a major cause of the French Revolution, and we all know what happened to the royals.

 

[JohnSm123]

That would lead to the monarchy being able to select or reject bills that suited its own position.

The French royal family bankrupted the economy in the 18th century and refused any attempt rein in its spending or reform their finances. This was a major cause of the French Revolution, and we all know what happened to the royals.

No form of government is perfect.

 

[drusus]

No form of government is perfect.

Not perfect?

The Bourbon family lavished the French treasury on itself and its aristocratic friends while a huge proportion of the country starved. Then they used their power of veto to prevent anyone stopping them, even when the country was bankrupt. This led to the Reign of Terror where tens of thousands died.

 

[JohnSm123]

Not perfect?

The Bourbon family lavished the French treasury on itself and its aristocratic friends while a huge proportion of the country starved. Then they used their power of veto to prevent anyone stopping them, even when the country was bankrupt. This led to the Reign of Terror where tens of thousands died.

Such things have happened in democracies too.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Monarchy.

Is that the migration of the Monarchs?

So pretty. So delicate, yet so strong even with no leader...

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Such things have happened in democracies too.

It's happening right before our eyes.

How did blue-collar lunch-bucket Joe get so rich in public service?

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Democracy is a pernicious evil which is why we were founded as a Representative Republic.

Everyone who thinks they are in the majority just love democracy.
They believe that the sheep outnumber the wolf.
And then they vote him maître d'...

Sheep always forget that when they clamor for Democracy.
A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a predator,
and sheep are on the menu.

Main Course

 

[drusus]

Such things have happened in democracies too.

It happens in a democracy when those in power try to cling on when their time is done, and we've seen that recently. Not with anywhere near the same levels of violence and destruction though. Problem with the monarchy you're proposing is that you're baking it in to the system. There's no way to get rid of them short of cutting their heads off no matter what they do.

Another problem with monarchs is they start to eye up each other's territory, then gather up troops for an invasion. Only takes a quick skim through European history to see how that goes.

 

[rgraham666]

That sounds remarkably like America in 2023.

From what I know a lot of Americans, after the Revolutionary War, wanted a king of their own.

 

[JohnSm123]

It happens in a democracy when those in power try to cling on when their time is done, and we've seen that recently. Not with anywhere near the same levels of violence and destruction though. Problem with the monarchy you're proposing is that you're baking it in to the system. There's no way to get rid of them short of cutting their heads off no matter what they do.

And your alternative is to change governments through elections until you find the "right" one, weakening the country's economy due to the instability that ensues from the consecutive changes of government?

Also, mind that whenever a monarchy ended with a revolution, including the French monarchy you accused, that led to chaos and an even more autocratic regime (France 1789, Russia 1917, China 1912).

Another problem with monarchs is they start to eye up each other's territory, then gather up troops for an invasion. Only takes a quick skim through European history to see how that goes.

I don't see what prevents democracies from invading other countries. The USA does it all the time, and Russia too, lately.

 

[Bn2f]

The King of Queens was a perfectly fine tv show.

I personally have no care for monarchies, but as a modern day republican, I would very much like for you to tell me more on the unquestioned ability of one person to imprison opponents and suspend elections.

 

[drusus]

And your alternative is to change governments through elections until you find the "right" one, weakening the country's economy due to the instability that ensues from the consecutive changes of government?

Also, mind that whenever a monarchy ended with a revolution, including the French monarchy you accused, that led to chaos and an even more autocratic regime (France 1789, Russia 1917, China 1912).


I don't see what prevents democracies from invading other countries. The USA does it all the time, and Russia too, lately.

No one has said that democracy is perfect, we all know that it isn't. However, it does mean that the people in charge have to manage a system that keeps the majority of the population reasonably happy or they get kicked out. It also means that those in charge can relate to the way that average people live. Economic instability caused by a change of government is quite rare. Markets may fall or rally, but there are no economic collapses or runs on the banking system.

 

[Noor]

They can be entertaining to watch

 

[JohnSm123]

No one has said that democracy is perfect, we all know that it isn't. However, it does mean that the people in charge have to manage a system that keeps the majority of the population reasonably happy or they get kicked out. It also means that those in charge can relate to the way that average people live. Economic instability caused by a change of government is quite rare. Markets may fall or rally, but there are no economic collapses or runs on the banking system.

You're delusional.

 

[GlennJenko]

Democracy's overrated. Have you ever heard any of the committee jokes?

It's true. Democracy is the worst form of governance. Except for all the other ones.

-Winston Churchill

 

[JoePepsiCo]

You should attribute your quotes.

 

[GlennJenko]

You should attribute your quotes.

I did.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Sorry. I didn't see that the first time. Late edit?

 

[GlennJenko]

Sorry. I didn't see that the first time. Late edit?

Yeah, sorry. I thought I put it originally, realised I hadn't, but must've fixed it right as you posted. My bad and thanks for the heads up nonetheless.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Di nana...

I'm just glad it wasn't all on me. I don't need any more evidence that I'm losing it.

 

[Veroe]

My thoughts on ot....it's great as long as the right guy"s the one wearing the crown unfortunately monarchies and nobility are systems that breed stuck up selfish entitled little shits in power completely disconnected to the reality their subjects face.

 

[drusus]

You're delusional.

You want the the wealth and resources of a country to be handed to one family to do with as they please and think that's going work out really well. And I'm the delusional one?