What does conservatism, as such, have to offer our society any more?

[CornusKousa]

"Our" republic is a representative democracy.

Chained to a wall by the Constitution.

Those chains need to be replaced with fresh, more robust models as to protect civil and individual liberties for the citizens from the threat of that democracy.

Or we need to decentralize so that various groups/subcultures/regions could effectively do their own thing and live how they want.

Worst option would be to have a big ol control freak empire vs rebel scum fight about it. I would much rather avoid that for more civilized options.

 

[pecksniff]

Those chains need to be replaced with fresh, more robust models as to protect civil and individual liberties for the citizens from the threat of that democracy.

Where are you looking for those models? What countries other than the U.S. do you consider constitutional republics?

 

[ll74]

Chained to a wall by the Constitution.

Those chains need to be replaced with fresh, more robust models as to protect civil and individual liberties for the citizens from the threat of that democracy.

Or we need to decentralize so that various groups/subcultures/regions could effectively do their own thing and live how they want.

Worst option would be to have a big ol control freak empire vs rebel scum fight about it. I would much rather avoid that for more civilized options.

Got it...so it is a Democracy and it is a Republic. Thanks for confirming.

 

[pecksniff]

It's odd how the RWs only seem to trot out that "a republic, not a democracy" nonsense when they can't get their way democratically.

 

[CornusKousa]

Got it...so it is a Democracy and it is a Republic. Thanks for confirming.

Never said it wasn't.

I'm fully aware that the fucking cancer that is Democracy has played a central role in the creep of authoritarianism you call "progress" and landed the USA in the dumpster fire it's currently in.

It's odd how the RWs only seem to trot out that "a republic, not a democracy" nonsense when they can't get their way democratically.

No, it's pretty much all the time.

Besides, it's usually the LW trying to do all the control freak controlling.

Especially in the last 20 years....bunch of Karens can't mind your own bidnizz if you tried.

 

[pecksniff]

I'm fully aware that the fucking cancer that is Democracy has played a central role in the creep of authoritarianism you call "progress" and landed the USA in the dumpster fire it's currently in.

It hasn't landed the actual social democracies in any dumpster fire.

 

[Rightguide]

It's odd how the RWs only seem to trot out that "a republic, not a democracy" nonsense when they can't get their way democratically.

It's in the Constitution dummy. Try reading Article IV Section 4. The word Democracy is not in the Constitution.

 

[CornusKousa]

It's in the Constitution dummy. Try reading Article IV Section 4. The word Democracy is not in the Constitution.

But they want so BADLY to believe that we are a simple majority rule democracy and that might makes right!!

 

[Rightguide]

But they want so BADLY to believe that we are a simple majority rule democracy and that might makes right!!

They're basically ignorant of their own Constitution and what's in it.

 

[pecksniff]

It's in the Constitution dummy. Try reading Article IV Section 4. The word Democracy is not in the Constitution.

Nor is the word "republic," except in the passage guaranteeing each state "a republican form of government."

 

[Rightguide]

Nor is the word "republic," except in the passage guaranteeing each state "a republican form of government."

That phrase means this country can only be governed as a Republic. Look up Ben Franklin's words when asked outside of Independence Hall after the Constitutional Convention "“Doctor, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy?”

 

[slutindianwife]

How very interesting!

 

[pecksniff]

That phrase means this country can only be governed as a Republic.

Which is not something in opposition to democracy.

 

[CornusKousa]

Which is not something in opposition to democracy.

How very unfortunate....as democracy is shit.

 

[pecksniff]

How very unfortunate....as democracy is shit.

As Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government except for every other that has been tried.

 

[CornusKousa]

As Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government except for every other that has been tried.

IDGAF what Churchill said.

Democracy is shit and has no place in a free and civil society.

 

[Dribble]

The policy offers to society the exact same thing those here that support it does...nothing. Ask their wives...kids...parents...dogs...

 

[pecksniff]

IDGAF what Churchill said.

Democracy is shit and has no place in a free and civil society.

Our society is better off since we went to full-on democracy than in the days when only white male property owners could vote.

 

[YooserName]

Since the Goldwater campaign in 1964, American movement conservatism has incorporated several allied strands:

1. Warhawkery, most recently expressed in the form of neoconservatism, a movement for taking a hard line in the Cold War that found new direction after 9/11. But it is clearly fading away as a political force. Even Trump rejected it. Nobody really cares any more about American military hegemony.

2. Supply-side economics, neoliberalism, economic libertarianism in general. That has had its day. It was tried, here and elsewhere, tried very thoroughly, and it never accomplished anything but its real intended purpose, which was to make the rich richer. It is about as thoroughly discredited now as Stalinism. Things in general go much better in social democracies.

3. Religious-right social conservatism. Since this is the Lit and we're all pervs here, I hope we can all agree there is no value whatsoever in that.

4. Racism/nativism. Usually expressed in dog-whistle form, as in Nixon's Southern Strategy, it got a lot bolder when the Tea Party emerged and morphed into the Trump movement.

What good is any of it? What good was any of it, ever?

It has nothing to offer losers like you.

 

[Rightguide]

Which is not something in opposition to democracy.

I already explained the difference between a democracy and a republic

 

[pecksniff]

I already explained the difference between a democracy and a republic

No, you didn't. The only difference is that it is possible for a republic to be aristocratic. We want none of that here.

 

[CornusKousa]

No, you didn't. The only difference is that it is possible for a republic to be aristocratic. We want none of that here.

While addressing his starving nation, Democratic Socialist hero, your good comrade!!! Maduro pulls an empanada from his desk and starts chowing.

Democracy.
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I love it when good comrades totally destroy each other.....

 

[YDB95]

It's protected by the Senate's constitutional right to make it's own rules. Only the Senate can change it. Go back to school.

The issue wasn't how the filibuster can be changed or abolished; it was whether or not it was written into the Constitution. It wasn't.

 

[Cubantripod]

As Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government except for every other that has been tried.

And the framers that set up this country established a republic because they believed democracies don't work. You're seeing that. Democracy and liberty are not synonymous. Democracy is simply one step above mob rule.

 

[pecksniff]

And the framers that set up this country established a republic because they believed democracies don't work. You're seeing that. Democracy and liberty are not synonymous. Democracy is simply one step above mob rule.

You sound like certain vulgar-libertarian assholes I've read about who oppose democracy because they can't count on it to produce libertarian outcomes.