What's going on here?

[SimonDoom]

I really do wonder what some people are doing on a site that claims to be sex positive and includes Gay Male and Lesbian Sex as categories.

You can dress it up however you like, but this is just kink-shaming, pure and simple. It's not your first time doing that.

Nobody cares that you "wonder" why people want what they want. They do, and the site caters to that.

Bless them for it.

Stop with the sanctimony and let it go.

The purpose of categories is not to advance a political agenda. It's simply to help match readers with the stories they want to read. And the system seems to do that. There's nothing to criticize, nothing to "wonder" about, and nothing to get on one's high horse about.

 

[SimonDoom]

I've also found zero people in the AH who enjoy the same type of stories as I do. And I've encountered very few people who share my morals and critical thinking.

And that's all fine. I'd rather share this place with people who think differently than with those who agree with me. It would be a boring AH for sure, and one where little new could be learned. Although I do regret not meeting anyone who shares my kinks/types of stories.



The simple truth is that people should just stop with the political shit, regardless of their place in the spectrum. The sanctimonious activism is tiring, and it often kills the sometimes interesting discussions. There is no need for it here. No one here, in the AH at least, is being oppressed. Well, aside from the few of us who dare to criticize Lit, but that's also fine. It comes with the territory, so to speak, and it's barely half of what it used to be just a few years back.

People should just chill the fuck out and stop being offended by everything.

I have a general principle that when AwkwardlySet and I agree on something, it must be right. Call it Awkdoom's Razor.

 

[qidniz]

@EmilyMiller said, "I really do wonder what some people are doing on a site that claims to be sex positive and includes Gay Male and Lesbian Sex as categories. The ill-informed anti-queer rhetoric is kinda pathetic, to say nothing of rude."

What does this mean?

I read that to mean something on the lines of: "I really do wonder what some people are doing on Literotica, when (a) it claims to be sex positive; and (b) it includes Gay Male and Lesbian Sex as categories. Yet, these people engage in ill-informed anti-queer rhetoric, which I find kinda pathetic, to say nothing of rude."

(Maybe "and" was read as "but" for a description of the site?)

Quite straightforward to me, really. The rest of this thread has me completely mystified. So I won't be surprised if someone hands me my head for getting involved at all.

 

[ColtonWrites]

You can dress it up however you like, but this is just kink-shaming, pure and simple. It's not your first time doing that.

Nobody cares that you "wonder" why people want what they want. They do, and the site caters to that.

Bless them for it.

Stop with the sanctimony and let it go.

The purpose of categories is not to advance a political agenda. It's simply to help match readers with the stories they want to read. And the system seems to do that. There's nothing to criticize, nothing to "wonder" about, and nothing to get on one's high horse about.

I think you've got it backwards. The original quote is about how sex positive people, on a site that advertises queer positivity, can be so bigoted towards some aspects of queer sexuality.


And people here have a *problem* with transgender people, especially non-femme ones.

 

[SimonDoom]

I think you've got it backwards. The original quote is about how sex positive people, on a site that advertises queer positivity, can be so bigoted towards some aspects of queer sexuality.


And people here have a *problem* with transgender people, especially non-femme ones.

What is the evidence for this?

I think the owners of this site are sex-positive. But sex positivity is not their M.O., nor should it be. Their goal is to provide a very broad tent for erotic stories that appeal to an extremely wide range of people and tastes --WHETHER THOSE TASTES ARE SEX POSITIVE OR NOT. They've been doing it this way for 28 years and if people don't like the big tent they can go elsewhere.

 

[dirk2024]

From my point of view, in reference to OP's original post, is the issue of bisexual hypocracy.

Many/most readers enjoy stories that include FF "interactions", even when they are in the non-Lesbian category. However, throw in a little MM action and the poop hits the fan. Those offended can't merely bail from the story, they have to 1 bomb it and leave a crummy comment behind.

Delicate snowflakes that they are...

 

[Cagivagurl]

The AH, is merely a small collection of a much bigger society, and operates exactly the same.
Whilst you agree with the majority, everything sails along smoothly, however.
Dare to promote an opinion that calls into question their particular beliefs and the mob mentality quickly shines....
They pounce like rabid dogs.... It is their defence mechanism
How dare you not agree with them, and they are ferocious in their defence of their little kinks...
It is quite funny to watch them call others hypocritical.... LOL, because they are the epitome of hypocrisy...

 

[NotWise]

I read that to mean something on the lines of: "I really do wonder what some people are doing on Literotica, when (a) it claims to be sex positive; and (b) it includes Gay Male and Lesbian Sex as categories. Yet, these people engage in ill-informed anti-queer rhetoric, which I find kinda pathetic, to say nothing of rude."

(Maybe "and" was read as "but" for a description of the site?)

Quite straightforward to me, really. The rest of this thread has me completely mystified. So I won't be surprised if someone hands me my head for getting involved at all.

This is how I interpreted it.

What this has to do with the other questions in the OP, I don't know.

 

[EmilyMiller]

From my point of view, in reference to OP's original post, is the issue of bisexual hypocracy.

Many/most readers enjoy stories that include FF "interactions", even when they are in the non-Lesbian category. However, throw in a little MM action and the poop hits the fan. Those offended can't merely bail from the story, they have to 1 bomb it and leave a crummy comment behind.

Delicate snowflakes that they are...

I think you are talking about hypocrisy toward male bisexuality, and not bisexual hypocrisy, the latter implies it is the bisexuals who are hypocrites.

 

[dirk2024]

I think you are talking about hypocrisy toward male bisexuality, and not bisexual hypocrisy, the latter implies it is the bisexuals who are hypocrites.

Sure.

To me, it fits in with the concern about sexual shaming on a supposedly sex positive site.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Sure.

To me, it fits in with the concern about sexual shaming on a supposedly sex positive site.

Not disagreeing. Femme lesbians get a pass. Masc lesbians and gay guys, not so much. Trans people, yeah, it sucks for many of them.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

The AH, is merely a small collection of a much bigger society, and operates exactly the same.
Whilst you agree with the majority, everything sails along smoothly, however.
Dare to promote an opinion that calls into question their particular beliefs and the mob mentality quickly shines....
They pounce like rabid dogs.... It is their defence mechanism
How dare you not agree with them, and they are ferocious in their defence of their little kinks...
It is quite funny to watch them call others hypocritical.... LOL, because they are the epitome of hypocrisy...

Exactly... the people screaming "how dare you question sex positivity we have gay stuff here" don't miss a chance to piss and moan about NC or MC.
I guess positivity only goes so far...

 

[SmilingLez]

Not disagreeing. Femme lesbians get a pass. Masc lesbians and gay guys, not so much. Trans people, yeah, it sucks for many of them.

Femme lesbians like myself don't get a pass, we get hit on by cishet males most of whom view lesbianism as a fetish/kink. You may enjoy a dick or two, but I do not

Stop making generalizations about other sexual orientations

 

[ColtonWrites]

Femme lesbians like myself don't get a pass, we get hit on by cishet males most of whom view lesbianism as a fetish/kink. You may enjoy a dick or two, but I do not

Stop making generalizations about other sexual orientations

I think she meant people dont get squicked by femme lesbians the way they do other kinds of stories.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

This thread has taken a very confusing turn. Has all of this ever been about AHers? If it has, please be more specific. I can't say that I've seen anyone truly speak out against being queer in any sense. To me, AH seems very accepting of all genders and sexual orientations.

If this has never been about AHers, then what are we even doing here? Are we really going to complain and waste words on internet readers not using this website in the exact spirit it was meant? I can't understand that anyone expected anything different. And again, to me, except for the LW category, commenters seem quite sex positive on average.

 

[ColtonWrites]

This thread has taken a very confusing turn. Has all of this ever been about AHers? If it has, please be more specific. I can't say that I've seen anyone truly speak out against being queer in any sense. To me, AH seems very accepting of all genders and sexual orientations.

If this has never been about AHers, then what are we even doing here? Are we really going to complain and waste words on internet readers not using this website in the exact spirit it was meant? I can't understand that anyone expected anything different. And again, to me, except for the LW category, commenters seem quite sex positive on average.

Politely - people in the AH, and readers on the site (especially readers on the site...) can be *extremely* trans and bi phobic.

I've had people tell me I was "making up" gay trans men, that they aren't real. I've been told its "gross" to write GM stories that include a trans man.

The whole idea of TG being a "trump" category is a microaggression that we've all just accepted and decided to live with, too.
If you cant understand why I find that somewhat hurtful, imagine if anytime yoi wrote a story with a Black or Asian character in it, it goes in an Interracial category, regardless of story content. You might feel some kind of way about that, i bet.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Politely - people in the AH, and readers on the site (especially readers on the site...) can be *extremely* trans and bi phobic.

I've had people tell me I was "making up" gay trans men, that they aren't real. I've been told its "gross" to write GM stories that include a trans man.

If it came from someone in the AH, then you should simply be more specific. I've never seen such behavior on the forum, but if I missed it, please link the thread. I DID see accusations of transphobia, where there was none, though. There was name-calling too, and some back-slapping from those of the same group too. It's funny how only a few people reacted in those cases.

My point is that we need to keep the AH clean from every kind of crap, not just one kind of crap.

The whole idea of TG being a "trump" category is a microaggression that we've all just accepted and decided to live with, too.
If you cant understand why I find that somewhat hurtful, imagine if anytime yoi wrote a story with a Black or Asian character in it, it goes in an Interracial category, regardless of story content. You might feel some kind of way about that, i bet.

Everything else is about internet readers and Lit's categorization problem, so I don't see much use in talking about it. It's all to be expected. People spew hate over the internet all the time. Lit can't be any different. It's just the AH that we should keep clean and respectful.

 

[ColtonWrites]

I dont have links because its part of why I started using the forums less, months ago. I also dont save hate mail, when i receive it. Got better things to do with my life.

I'm telling you, as a minority, that I have experienced direct bigotry and discrimination here.
Do with that information what you will.

 

[AG31]

I can't say that I've seen anyone truly speak out against being queer in any sense. To me, AH seems very accepting of all genders and sexual orientations.

If it came from someone in the AH, then you should simply be more specific. I've never seen such behavior on the forum, but if I missed it, please link the thread.

Yeah, me too. I can't remember seeing any such bigotry.
Don't want actually re-open the discussion, but my misunderstanding of Emily's statement was the opposite extreme. Something like "Don't label people. We're all on a fluid spectrum."

 

[SmilingLez]

I think she meant people dont get squicked by femme lesbians the way they do other kinds of stories.

I 100% disagree with you.

A bisexual female shouldn't make generalizations about lesbianism, or transgenderism or being a gay guy or being non-binary etc. EM should stay in her own lane. YMMV

Reminds me of what I read about the 1960s when white folks talked about degrees of blackness and 'passing'

 

[ColtonWrites]

I 100% disagree with you.

A bisexual female shouldn't make generalizations about lesbianism, or transgenderism or being a gay guy or being non-binary etc. EM should stay in her own lane. YMMV

Reminds me of what I read about the 1960s when white folks talked about degrees of blackness and 'passing'

Im not saying whether they do or not. But that seemed to be the intent of the statement.

 

[Britva415]

I think she meant people dont get squicked by [whatever]

Who cares if bigots cry