Who can clearly state the current Democrat position on Iraq?

[The Mutt]

Really? Pretty impressive since the Paris peace accords were signed before the Case-Church amendment passed and funding for South Vietnam continued after.

"Facts are stupid things."
~Ronald Reagan

 

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[Plasmaball]

Harry Reid declared it lost a month ago, while the troops were on their way for the surge. Yesterday, or the day before was the first day all the surge was in place.

There was no civil war. Ever.

As for Hillary, all you have to do is follow her speeches and the current Democrat debates. As busybody so poorly points out, there is not a single position on Iraq that she has not claimed...

Uh oh, the latest NIE says warring factions in Iraq, are STILL warring against each other.

how does it feel? Warner just dropped his support for the Bush administrations war.

I see you never posted the links i asked for. Says a lot about you.
Shame really.

 

[busybody..]

a few days ago

HRC said the SURGE is working

then the LEFTY LOONS started screaming

today she says it isnt working

who knows what the next 24 hrs will bring?

 

[The Mutt]

Uh oh, the latest NIE says warring factions in Iraq, are STILL warring against each other.

how does it feel? Warner just dropped his support for the Bush administrations war.

I see you never posted the links i asked for. Says a lot about you.
Shame really.

With the Cap'n and his ilk, it's only war when it's convenient for them to call it war. As in, "We are a nation at war, but the guys we capture in our war are not prisoners of war."

Sunni and Shiite killing each other by the dozens on a daily basis? Nope. Not a civil war at all.

 

[Plasmaball]

With the Cap'n and his ilk, it's only war when it's convenient for them to call it war. As in, "We are a nation at war, but the guys we capture in our war are not prisoners of war."

Sunni and Shiite killing each other by the dozens on a daily basis? Nope. Not a civil war at all.

Play by their rules or get character assassinated by them.
Or watch Capitan cry because someone called him a name.

 

[busybody..]

how does it feel? Warner just dropped his support for the Bush administrations war.

.

really?

got a link to this?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes but, here are some facts for you to digest:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20051...ird/iraq-learning-the-lessons-of-vietnam.html

"Facts"?

No no, my little Marine Without Honor, it's merely a self-serving revisionist fact-free editorial designed to placate false patriots like you into believing we coulda woulda shoulda won in Vietnam.

Stabbed! Stabbed in the Back! is a common technique used by former Nazis (and Marines Without Honor like you) to 'splain away their shortcomings.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

really?

got a link to this?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/23/warner.iraq/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The influential former chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee has called on President Bush to start the process of bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq in September.

 

[busybody..]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/23/warner.iraq/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The influential former chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee has called on President Bush to start the process of bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq in September.

Warner, a senior Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee who has pushed Bush to change his Iraq policy, suggested a withdrawal of "say 5,000" troops who could be home by Christmas. About 160,000 U.S. troops are now in Iraq.

hardly a withdrawal of support

 

[Throbbin_Rod]

Listening to Reid, Pelosi, Durbin, et al, I have come to the conclusion that their position is "I hope we lose."

 

[zipman]

Can you say "Obama?"

Ishmael

Bro, you know my cystal ball by now.

http://www.spurgeonworld.com/blog/images/bowling_ball_1.jpg

 

[Plasmaball]

really?

got a link to this?

why yes i do

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/world/top+republican+in+iraq+pullout+call/717847

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aOflSW_xAaQk&refer=home
http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&ncl=1119852552&hl=en&topic=h

there you go. 340 something choices to make on where to read it.

 

[Plasmaball]

Warner, a senior Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee who has pushed Bush to change his Iraq policy, suggested a withdrawal of "say 5,000" troops who could be home by Christmas. About 160,000 U.S. troops are now in Iraq.

hardly a withdrawal of support

No he siad maybe start with 5000 to begin with and then bring more home.
If you are going to quote it, get it right.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

No he siad maybe start with 5000 to begin with and then bring more home.
If you are going to quote it, get it right.

DizzyB is the king of using partial quotes to reinforce his position.

Yes, insisting that we start drawing down the number of troops in Iraq in September is a withdraw of support..

Warner will now be labeled a RINO.

 

[MechaBlade]

Who can clearly state the current Republican position on Iraq?

What's the actual plan on how to fix this quagmire?

The official Republican position is "We've won the war, but if we are losing the war, it's the Democrats' fault. Poor planning, shoddy body armor, unprepared troops; none of these are a match for the Democrats' words, which hurt our troops' sensitive ears and embolden the enemy."

Because, surely, Iraqi suicide bombers watch the Daily Show to psyche themselves up before blowing up a busload of kids.


But even in the most fantastical dream, no Republican or Libertarian has any clue how to fix Iraq.

 

[Plasmaball]

DizzyB is the king of using partial quotes to reinforce his position.

Yes, insisting that we start drawing down the number of troops in Iraq in September is a withdraw of support..

Warner will now be labeled a RINO.

i know..

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

The democratic position on Iraq is as follows:

1. A Republican Administration and Congress got us into this quagmire.
2. The Public is discontented and angry with the state of affairs.
3. We already used this discontent to take the congress.
4. We can continue to ride this discontent to the White House.
5. The Republican sponsored "surge" cannot be permitted to be seen as a success until Democrats hold the executive.
6. Once in power - we will attempt to end the war by withdrawing and having talks with Iran and Syria.
7. No matter what - if the war ends while a Democrat is in power - we win.

Other than that - the democrats have no position on Iraq. Neither do the Republicans, but the thread isn't about the republican wishy-washiness over the issue or the many Pub flip-floppers over the war.

The war is not going to end. The battle for Iraq will cetainly end soon as will the battle for the White House, but for as long as the Democrats adhere to the plan you so well outlined, the war will continue.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

The official Republican position is "We've won the war, but if we are losing the war, it's the Democrats' fault. Poor planning, shoddy body armor, unprepared troops; none of these are a match for the Democrats' words, which hurt our troops' sensitive ears and embolden the enemy."

Because, surely, Iraqi suicide bombers watch the Daily Show to psyche themselves up before blowing up a busload of kids.


But even in the most fantastical dream, no Republican or Libertarian has any clue how to fix Iraq.

The official Republican position is that we are in a long, protracted fight against a heretical idiology and instead of waiting to be hit here and constantly turning the other cheek, we need to find their nests and kill them. When they finally scream "No mas, no mas," then is the time to talk, but Sun Tzu says that is precisely the moment you kick in the door, for they are done for...

The Democrat position is, "Have the local magistrate round them up and deal with them..."



Maybe I don't have a clue on how to fix Iraq, but I'm betting heavily that Iraqis, after all this death, have a clue. It's human nature. As long as we, the United States are there, the man in the streets of Iraq knows he has a chance, and more importantly, he knows his children have opportunity.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

With the Cap'n and his ilk, it's only war when it's convenient for them to call it war. As in, "We are a nation at war, but the guys we capture in our war are not prisoners of war."

Sunni and Shiite killing each other by the dozens on a daily basis? Nope. Not a civil war at all.

Yeah, but you gloss over the fact that the Sunni are more focused right now on killing Al Qaeda, especially when we captured the head honcho of one district who admitted they were using foreign fighters to give the impression of civil war. The tribes are hunting them down with us and the Iraqi army. The Iranians are sending in their QUD units to similarily give the impression that the Shia are all fired up on killing Sunnis, but they are not.

Your side will spout half-truths like, it is going to fail becaue they cannot reach a political solution on sharing oil revenues, while at once ignoring Maliki when he explains that all Irais ARE already sharing the oil revenues.

You will gradually have to change your position to one of begruding back-biting and moans of, "They did it all wrong, even if they did it," while all I have to do is point out that the only perfect victory was Thermopolii...

 

[Plasmaball]

wheres my link?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2007/08/24/the_debate_on_iraq_takes_a_turn

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/22/85938.shtml

We aren't getting out any time soon. Democrat position, same as the "evil Nazi" Republicans...

 

[Plasmaball]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2007/08/24/the_debate_on_iraq_takes_a_turn

how about something that isn't an opinion piece or a fox new righty?

Blogs and opinion pieces are not "news"

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

You wanted a link.