Who can clearly state the current Democrat position on Iraq?

[Plasmaball]

You wanted a link.

second link was better, first is just going to be ignored.
I see nothing about her saying that she plans to stay for years to come. just that we have to leave smartly. Iraq's political leaders need to step up.

Good job spinning that one..

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Is she saying we're getting out soon?

 

[Plasmaball]

Is she saying we're getting out soon?

Define soon.
It doesn't matter, she is playing politics with her words. Trying to cater to the left and middle.
She realizes that things are fucked up in Iraq and things need to change. this current Administration isn't doing much in the case of "change".
They are mostly riding things out. The surge is small and located in a few key areas. this can't last forever

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Who's spinning now?

What's her answer?

What's her position?

Things are fucked up? We need a change? Just short, scant months ago, the Democrats won the right to change and they approved of a new battle plan, a new battle general, and then before he even got his men in the theater, they pulled the rug out from under him. Now things are going better, but they still want to change the plan.

She's playing Lucy with the football...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

"Soon"

It means whatever the hell Hillary needs it to mean at the moment. Right now. Soon...


When an "er" is added, it means, "jumped the gun."

On Happy Days, it's refered to as "jumping the shark..."

 

[Plasmaball]

Who's spinning now?

What's her answer?

What's her position?

Things are fucked up? We need a change? Just short, scant months ago, the Democrats won the right to change and they approved of a new battle plan, a new battle general, and then before he even got his men in the theater, they pulled the rug out from under him. Now things are going better, but they still want to change the plan.

She's playing Lucy with the football...

wait, wait, wait. Now you are saying that congress has the power to stop this war? i thought that bush was only supposed to and that what congress was doing was over reaching power grab.

Which angle you going to stick with captain?

I am not spinning anything cap. I told you what she is doing. Playing both fields. If you call that spinning you need help.

 

[Ishmael]

He hasn't figured it out yet Bro. At least not the politics of it.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

They stopped the war in Vietnam!

But...

They don't. Wanting the war to end, wanting a change, wanting to leave Iraq on its own is a MINORITY position in the United States. The problem is, the minority viewpoint is the majority of the Democrat Party forcing their candidates to vocally oppose and call for an end to the war while at once voting to keep the damned thing going to keep their jobs. That's the dirty little secret of all the Democrat candidates running for office in '08.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Except Pelosi...

She's honestly to the right of most of her constituency.

She'd end it in a heartbeat. She honestly believes this stuff. Hillary just says it until she has the nomination locked up, which Barak just did...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

He hasn't figured it out yet Bro. At least not the politics of it.

Ishmael

No, I think he gets it. The alternative is still just too bitter a pill...

 

[Ishmael]

No, I think he gets it. The alternative is still just too bitter a pill...

Probably so.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

If the Democrats hold true to form, by election day, they will "own" the surge, and the victory; the result of the '06 election. The story line will be that they saved us from Bush's incompetence.

We are seeing the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Saint Peter]

If the Democrats hold true to form, by election day, they will "own" the surge, and the victory; the result of the '06 election. The story line will be that they saved us from Bush's incompetence.

We are seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Who is we?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Everyone following politics who is beginning to hear/see Hillary morph into a hawk...

 

[Ishmael]

Well, all she has to do is go back and dredge up her Code Pink talk from 2003. Proof that she was for it before she was against it before she was for it again.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

The Chinese value flexibility in a weapon...

Time to tidy up "the summer palace."

 

[unregistered]

 

[B_Gus_Richards]

The official Republican position is that we are in a long, protracted fight against a heretical idiology and instead of waiting to be hit here and constantly turning the other cheek, we need to find their nests and kill them. When they finally scream "No mas, no mas," then is the time to talk, but Sun Tzu says that is precisely the moment you kick in the door, for they are done for...

The Democrat position is, "Have the local magistrate round them up and deal with them..."



Maybe I don't have a clue on how to fix Iraq, but I'm betting heavily that Iraqis, after all this death, have a clue. It's human nature. As long as we, the United States are there, the man in the streets of Iraq knows he has a chance, and more importantly, he knows his children have opportunity.

How long has this been the OFFICIAL Republican position?

Obviously, they took this stance after they let 9-11 happen (I guess they can take a mulligan for Sept. 11, 2001, right?).

So how does the official Republican position that you stated jibe with Iraq?

Al Queada barely had a presence in Iraq before we arrived.

None of the 9-11 murderers were Iraqi.

BTW, I love how you finally got something right and I completely agree with you on this point:

"I don't have a clue"

 

[Saint Boner]

It no loner makes any difference What the Plan is... by anybody. The US military war machine in Iraq breaks down in the Spring of 08'. It cannot be sustained and will dwindle away like Bush on Jan. 9th 2009. The next President will only be able to have enough troops in Iraq to keep posting causalities.

Way to go right wing. You people are Sooo awesome. :handjob:

 

[The Mutt]

..... while all I have to do is point out that the only perfect victory was Thermopolii...

If by perfect you mean taking massive casualties against a vastly inferior force, winning the battle, but eventually losing the war...

Yep, you've pegged it.

 

[busybody..]

DEMOCRATIC REP. BRIAN BAIRD has an oped on listening to the troops:


As a Democrat who voted against the war from the outset and who has been frankly critical of the administration and the post-invasion strategy, I am convinced by the evidence that the situation has at long last begun to change substantially for the better. I believe Iraq could have a positive future. Our diplomatic and military leaders in Iraq, their current strategy, and most importantly, our troops and the Iraqi people themselves, deserve our continued support and more time to succeed. . . .

As one soldier said to me, "We have lost so many good people and invested so much, It just doesn't make sense to quit now when we're finally making progress. I want to go home as much as anyone else, but I want this mission to succeed and I'm willing to do what it takes. I just want to know the people back home know we're making progress and support us."


Read the whole thing. It won't get the kind of Big Media attention that John Warner's comments will, because it doesn't fit the preferred narrative.

 

[Lost Cause]

"Define Soon"

K-O-S-O-V-O

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I see a lot of disinformation.

I am assured our great military will "break" in '08. From an outsider.

I am informed of our terrible casualties because they are headlines while the fact that we are eliminating 1500 a month goes unreported. By an outsider.

I am informed that we attacked Iraq because of 9-11. By an outsider.

We have the quotes from the insiders back-pedaling away from that cliff, but not the Myrmidons. They're doubling up...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

This is how they think.

"It's a horrible prospect to ask yourself, 'What if? What if?' But if certain things happen between now and the election, particularly with respect to terrorism, that will automatically give the Republicans an advantage again, no matter how badly they have mishandled it, no matter how much more dangerous they have made the world," Clinton told supporters in Concord.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08242007/news/nationalnews/hill__terror_would_be_gop_boos.htm

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

K-O-S-O-V-O

Brilliant!