Who doesn't love a big cock…?

[TotalKnockout]

That is one hot story! I love your writing style. Horsecocks and nubile gymnasts...what not to like?

Your artwork depicts a woman who appears to be twice the size of a male who may get his neck broken at any time. Whats up with that?

Thanks for reading! And thanks also for unintentionally proving my point: size and preference are totally a matter of personal taste. I write about people of many different sizes, and I write what turns me on.

The artwork on my page is by Namio Harukawa. I like his work. You may not. That's what makes the world go round, my friend...

 

[joelafayette]

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[TotalKnockout]

I can't think of anything hotter than an experienced man with a giant cock deflowering a tiny, virginal gymnast right after her eighteenth birthday.

That said, it's a story that has been told many times, so you have to bring your A-game to write it. I thought you did pretty good.

Thanks a lot! I appreciate it. It's such a stereotype so I wanted to see what I could do with it…

 

[crashD]

Um, I don't know about "neck of her cervix" (cervixes definitely don't have necks) but it is most DEFINITELY possible to feel the head of a guy's cock butting up against your cervix if his cock is longer than your vagina. It depends on the position and there are ways of avoiding it (angling hips, making thrusts more shallow) but it has nothing to do with thickness (or stretchiness). If a man has a 9" penis and his partner's vaginal canal is only around 7" long, it will happen sometimes. The sensation is painful/intense/pleasurable depending on your own experience; the idea not the actual feeling is more of a turn-on for me, whereas my ex loved both the idea and the feeling of "bottoming out" inside me. So you can be an anatomical stickler about certain things, but I can tell you from personal experience that it is most definitely NOT nonsense.

Now, going PAST the cervix with a penis…? THAT is nonsense.

indeed you are right. hitting the cervix happen.- and i'm not 10 inches or 9 inches - maybe 8 something?? how do you measure effective size?? different angles, different penetrations.

anyway, i can feel it, my partner can feel it. it isn't always good for her.

one way to know for sure - if partner is using an IUD - uh yeah, ouch... head poke... lol

 

[Bramblethorn]

I think it's great that you know what you want, and it's certainly valid to have your own opinion, but I'm just curious why you think that all stories which include sizes necessarily don't include deeper details as well.

I didn't say "all". But in my experience, almost all - enough so that if I start reading a story and the author gets into penis/boob size before they've put effort into characterisation, the odds are not in my favour. At that point I'm better off abandoning the story and trying something else.

No doubt I miss out on some good stories by making that snap judgement. But with the time I save that way, I can go look for good stories elsewhere.

And if you read one of my stories and don't like the fact that the protagonist has a huge dick, and that makes you stop reading, fine. Not my business. But I think the thing I don't understand and what I'm trying to figure out is why people feel the need to post their own personal tastes as feedback on people's writing.

Can't help you there; if I quit a story before the end for reasons of personal taste, I'm not likely to vote or comment. Might be a different matter if the reason was something like "too many spelling errors" or the legendary 42" cock of fanfic, but not for just "large".

If some one tells me I have grammatical errors I didn't catch, or they wanted more of a certain character's perspective or a better description of something, fine. Great. But to write "I hated that he had a big cock" is not constructive feedback, it's personal taste. But maybe, given that this is tame compared to some of the stuff I've seen posted as "feedback" on people's writing, this is too big of a hornet's nest anyway...

I think a Loving Wives story where the cheater has a big cock and the cuckolded husband has a small limp one would be just about the perfect storm for feedback

Yeah, I think that sort of sweeping statement is barf too. (Actually, I think the assertion is insulting.)

Good news: nobody here actually made that assertion.

I guess the attempt to deny other writers and readers their own fetishes and just sticking to your own without trying to tell others what to write/read on Literotica just isn't going to go away on the forum, is it?

I'm looking through this thread and (with possible exception of one person who I have on ignore) I honestly can't see where anybody said or did those things.

I see a couple of readers stating their own personal preferences, clearly identified as personal preferences, without insisting that anybody else should cater to them. I see several people explicitly saying "do what you like":

If using the measurements is the way you like to do things, there's nothing wrong with that. There's a readership for that here just like everything else.

If you feel it fits the story then don't worry about it. If you were getting paid and the person paying said, "Hey, that's a little unrealistic" maybe you change it, but on a free site? Do your thing.

...normally I'd just click off and look for another story rather than complaining about it or voting it down. As they say: Your Kink Is Not My Kink, And That's OK.

(For those not familiar with the expression, YKINMKATO amounts to "different strokes for different folks".)

I'm happy to leave the big cock appreciation threads to those who are into that stuff. I responded to this thread at all was that the OP specifically asked why somebody would stop reading a story just because it included a large cock, so I assumed they were interested in hearing from people who could answer from that perspective.

 

[sr71plt]

Good news: nobody here actually made that assertion.

Bad news. I put "almost all" into the sweeping generalization category. Your mileage might vary.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm looking through this thread and (with possible exception of one person who I have on ignore) I honestly can't see where anybody said or did those things.

I see a couple of readers stating their own personal preferences, clearly identified as personal preferences, without insisting that anybody else should cater to them. I see several people explicitly saying "do what you like".

I guess we also differ on what it means for someone to take the time and effort to post their very particular preferences on a forum, as well. If it isn't a suggestion of what people should write/read, why bother to post it?

 

[PennLady]

I guess we also differ on what it means for someone to take the time and effort to post their very particular preferences on a forum, as well. If it isn't a suggestion of what people should write/read, why bother to post it?

Because they were directly answering this question from the person who started the thread: So what gives? Why would a character being well-endowed be such a turn-off that some one would stop reading a story just because it included one?

It is possible to express one's personal preferences and not be suggesting or insisting that stories should cater to it.

 

[sr71plt]

It is possible to express one's personal preferences and not be suggesting or insisting that stories should cater to it.

We differ on that. Why would one see the need to express one's personal preference (and usual in a way that slams someone else's personal preferences) in a forum post if they didn't want to influence someone else's actions? Why wouldn't they just keep it to themselves? I don't think you're thinking too deeply on this.

I go back to this being a story site serving extremely broad interests. If you truly want to let writers write what they want and readers read what they want--within the limits set by the Web site owners--you won't be posting your personal preferences to the forum (especially those directly derogatory of what authors have put in their stories). You'll just be glad you can write what you like and find to read what you like and leave others the hell alone to pursue their own enjoyments.

 

[PennLady]

You skipped over the part where I answered your question by quoting the OP, which asked why someone would stop reading a story with big cocks.

We differ on that. Why would one see the need to express one's personal preference (and usual in a way that slams someone else's personal preferences) in a forum post if they didn't want to influence someone else's actions? Why wouldn't they just keep it to themselves? I don't think you're thinking too deeply on this.

I don't think a lot of deep thought is required here, necessarily. A question was asked, a question was answered. Yes, answered with an opinion, because there is no absolute answer to the question. The OP asked why a person might not like a story involving big cocks, and someone answered. Their answer will be different from someone else's, like mine.

I go back to this being a story site serving extremely broad interests. If you truly want to let writers write what they want and readers read what they want--within the limits set by the Web site owners--you won't be posting your personal preferences to the forum (especially those directly derogatory of what authors have put in their stories). You'll just be glad you can write what you like and find to read what you like and leave others the hell alone to pursue their own enjoyments.

No one was being derogatory. And if we are writers, why can't we discuss what we like to read and write about? Stating a preference for one thing doesn't mean you're slamming any other. I prefer not to read BDSM stories, so I don't. But I don't care if anyone else reads or writes them. There are other elements I don't care for in stories, but it's the author's choice to include them. If I don't like the story, then I won't read it, and no harm, no foul.

 

[sr71plt]

There's really nothing to be gained by repeating we differ more than once. Somebody wouldn't bother to post that they didn't like a writing technique or element if they wanted the author to keep using it.

 

[PennLady]

There's really nothing to be gained by repeating we differ more than once. Somebody wouldn't bother to post that they didn't like a writing technique or element if they wanted the author to keep using it.

Except if they were answering a question about such a thing.

 

[Bonnic]

2) One in 10,000 men have a penis that is 10 inches when erect. That means that there are approximately 1,514 men in the United States with huge cocks.

I think you might be off by a factor of 10. If one in 10,000 men have huge cocks and if that rate produced 1,500 men, then there would have been an initial population of 15,000,000 men or about 30 million people. The actual population of the US is about 10x that. So I guess there are closer to 15,000 men in the US with huge cocks.

 

[WhatamIdoinhere]

Imagine dropping a novel because the protagonist/antagonist is described as tall or short. Even more cogently, complaining vehemently because the writer gave the exact height of the protagonist/antagonist.

I suspect that judging a story based upon inches may say a lot about the psyche of the reader.

 

[TotalKnockout]

Imagine dropping a novel because the protagonist/antagonist is described as tall or short. Even more cogently, complaining vehemently because the writer gave the exact height of the protagonist/antagonist.

I suspect that judging a story based upon inches may say a lot about the psyche of the reader.

Amen, brother.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

I think you might be off by a factor of 10. If one in 10,000 men have huge cocks and if that rate produced 1,500 men, then there would have been an initial population of 15,000,000 men or about 30 million people. The actual population of the US is about 10x that. So I guess there are closer to 15,000 men in the US with huge cocks.

My bad. That does explain why I was an Art major in college though.

 

[sr71plt]

Except if they were answering a question about such a thing.

Oh, give me a break. It was a general question to the board, not a direct question to the specific poster. Responding at all was totally Bram's decision. My point stands.

 

[PennLady]

Oh, give me a break. It was a general question to the board, not a direct question to the specific poster. Responding at all was totally Bram's decision. My point stands.

So it was a general question, and it got an answer. Was no one supposed to answer? It didn't strike me as rhetorical. I'm not saying Bram was right, because it's not about right or wrong.

I just don't understand -- and I apologize if I'm misinterpreting something -- why you have such an issue with people expressing opinions. Exchanging opinions and ideas on writing is what this place is for, right?

 

[Mockingjay]

In reality

Well, of course, men view their cock as their crown where they want women to worship it. Clue: surf about it. Second, try to put your shoes in the perspective of a man, if you are a woman, where you read a story indicating the bigger the better or the LENGTH and GIRTH were specified and you have a tiny cock. Poor guy. Ego busted.

Penis sizes matches with pussy sizes. Bigger cocks go for bigger pussies. Though some pussies were stimulated more with bigger girth than length. So length is not important. It is the fuckng girth. Again, surf about it.

Same with women, cup size indicated, nah... Please don't. Some women were fine if they have small boobs but men, fuck NO, because women could talk and compare or make fun of their own. But men...did you ever hear a group of guys talking about their cocks?If yes, punchings are observed.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Bad news. I put "almost all" into the sweeping generalization category. Your mileage might vary.

Except that you were referring to a version that didn't have any "almost" in it.

Because they were directly answering this question from the person who started the thread: So what gives? Why would a character being well-endowed be such a turn-off that some one would stop reading a story just because it included one?

Ayup. And I specifically included the "since you asked" at the beginning of my post, to make it clear that I was responding on that basis. Since the OP then asked a follow-up question about my response, I'm happy to go on thinking that they were genuinely asking for information. Perhaps I'm wrong in that, but it certainly doesn't seem like an unreasonable interpretation.

Imagine dropping a novel because the protagonist/antagonist is described as tall or short.

That would indeed be silly, but it doesn't shed much light on this discussion, because novelists don't lean on "height" anywhere near as heavily as Lit authors lean on "penis size".

So it was a general question, and it got an answer. Was no one supposed to answer? It didn't strike me as rhetorical. I'm not saying Bram was right, because it's not about right or wrong.

I just don't understand -- and I apologize if I'm misinterpreting something -- why you have such an issue with people expressing opinions. Exchanging opinions and ideas on writing is what this place is for, right?

I do find it odd that the guy who complains about posters "denying other writers and readers their own fetishes" is also the one telling people they oughtn't discuss their personal preferences here, even after being specifically asked (twice) about those preferences.

 

[TotalKnockout]

And I specifically included the "since you asked" at the beginning of my post, to make it clear that I was responding on that basis. Since the OP then asked a follow-up question about my response, I'm happy to go on thinking that they were genuinely asking for information. Perhaps I'm wrong in that, but it certainly doesn't seem like an unreasonable interpretation.

I was. I was trying to engage in a genuine dialogue about this, and I'm glad you responded. And thanks for being so candid. Just because I don't necessarily agree with you doesn't mean I don't want to listen.

I'm new to these boards but I keep noticing that every thread that interests me keeps devolving into bitter squabbling. I don't really understand why. Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't really seem necessary… How many axes are grinding here??

 

[TotalKnockout]

I think you might be off by a factor of 10. If one in 10,000 men have huge cocks and if that rate produced 1,500 men, then there would have been an initial population of 15,000,000 men or about 30 million people. The actual population of the US is about 10x that. So I guess there are closer to 15,000 men in the US with huge cocks.

Hahaha… I thought that number seemed low! I've definitely encountered my share of huge cocks in my short lifetime. So I know they're rare, just not "glimpse of the loch ness monster" rare…

 

[TotalKnockout]

That would indeed be silly, but it doesn't shed much light on this discussion, because novelists don't lean on "height" anywhere near as heavily as Lit authors lean on "penis size".

I agree that lit authors use penis size as a male descriptor often in their writing, but I don't think his point is irrelevant.

What I'm noticing is that people seriously identify with the characters when they read, searching for commonalities. Body shape/size is just as visceral in some cases as penis size.

I love writing about people with all different body types. I think that sexuality comes in all shapes and sizes and imagining bodies different than my own is fun, freeing even, at least for me. In the stories I've posted on Literotica so far, I have three different female protagonists: one really petite, one voluptuous and curvy, and one that is pretty average. I also have a main guy that is tall and lanky and another that is muscular. Two of my other characters have huge dicks but for one it is a source of shame and the other it is a source of pride. I enjoy exploring those territories psychologically.

So far, the people who have read my stories have sent me PMs and feedback and posted comments thanking me for whichever specific body type I wrote about. Why? Maybe that's their kink or their body type and they like when stories cater to that. There might have been a few people who were probably turned off that the main character was a BBW and I didn't title my piece "Big Fat Bertha Blows Her Boyfriend" or something like that. But I never heard about it. They probably got to the character description and lost interest. (You mentioned that you do this when you encounter well endowed characters and that's totally legitimate, and your choice.) And if some one did PM me or comment on my story "no more fatties" I would just think "what an asshole" and move on.

However, for some reason there is this bizarre entitlement that people think that the same rules don't apply to penis size. Reverse discrimination, if you will… And the people writing these aren't the "no more fatties" ilk, they're ignorant masquerading as high brow. Like this is a legitimate critique of my writing. So why is this a thing?

I guarantee that if I posted a thread here saying "People don't like it when I write stories about short people", most people would reply eh, fuck 'em, write what you like. So why is it that penis size is somehow a more legitimate bone to pick (excuse the pun) than height? What kind of double standard is that?

 

[PennLady]

I guarantee that if I posted a thread here saying "People don't like it when I write stories about short people", most people would reply eh, fuck 'em, write what you like. So why is it that penis size is somehow a more legitimate bone to pick (excuse the pun) than height? What kind of double standard is that?

Perhaps because height isn't as directly tied to sex as a penis, or a vagina? I don't know, just tossing something out there.

So to go back to the question you initially asked, about why people might be turned off by a large cock, I can think of two reasons why they put me off. Not necessarily turn me off to the whole story, but perhaps make me a little wary. The first is that it seems pretty cliché; it feels like a lazy choice, sometimes.

But that's not so bad per se, since we all use clichés for different reasons. And if it is important to your story for whatever reason, then you should use it/keep it.

Aha. I think I can explain the second thing better, silly as it may sound. Okay, so a few years ago, I saw his HBO Q&A sex show, and the question of 12" cocks came up (ahem). The answer was that while they are out there, most women have a much shorter vagina (I think the average is about six inches or so), and so basically a 12" cock won't fit. There was a diagram showing this, and for better or worse, this always pops into mind when I read stories where the protagonist has a 12" cock.

Now, I have read other stories where the man is supposed to have a large cock, but the measurement isn't specified, and for whatever reason -- perhaps it's the way I'm wired -- that's much easier to believe, or easier to suspend disbelief. Or maybe I substitute width for length when I read, I'm not sure.

Still, as has been said, there's an audience here for just about anything. So keep writing as you like.

 

[TotalKnockout]

So to go back to the question you initially asked, about why people might be turned off by a large cock, I can think of two reasons why they put me off. Not necessarily turn me off to the whole story, but perhaps make me a little wary. The first is that it seems pretty cliché; it feels like a lazy choice, sometimes.

But that's not so bad per se, since we all use clichés for different reasons. And if it is important to your story for whatever reason, then you should use it/keep it.

Aha. I think I can explain the second thing better, silly as it may sound. Okay, so a few years ago, I saw his HBO Q&A sex show, and the question of 12" cocks came up (ahem). The answer was that while they are out there, most women have a much shorter vagina (I think the average is about six inches or so), and so basically a 12" cock won't fit. There was a diagram showing this, and for better or worse, this always pops into mind when I read stories where the protagonist has a 12" cock.

Now, I have read other stories where the man is supposed to have a large cock, but the measurement isn't specified, and for whatever reason -- perhaps it's the way I'm wired -- that's much easier to believe, or easier to suspend disbelief. Or maybe I substitute width for length when I read, I'm not sure.

Iiiinteresting… this "lazy choice" thing fascinates me, because it is exactly that kind of statement I'm trying to unpack. I totally get what you mean, in the sense that certain stereotypical choices often show up in bad writing (best example: "Peterotica" episode of Family Guy… makes me laugh every time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RigCSFhdvQk) But bad writing is bad writing. And choices are only determined "lazy" by the quality of the writing. Is the choice necessary? Followed through on? Essential to the story?

To choose to write a character with a big cock is a choice, and that choice is NOT inherently lazy. I can only speak from my own personal perspective but the choice to give Jack a huge cock was one I made as a writer with consideration to the character. He is totally a stereotype (his name is "Jack Cummings" for Chrissakes…) but that's because I love playing with stereotypes, getting inside them and eventually subverting them. Plus the reality sticklers would also be satisfied that I even addressed the fact that he wasn't going to fit that whole thing inside her. So why is that a lazy choice again? And why is not specifying size a less lazy choice?

I'm just super curious about this statement because it feels hypocritical to me. I don't expect everyone to like my stories, they're not for everyone. And this one, of all my stories, is probably the least well-written one. And I would gladly accept feedback on character/story/grammar/style/whathaveyou but for someone to take the time to tell me that he stopped reading as soon as he read the character was well-endowed? I don't know, but THAT feels like the lazy choice to me.

You mention that if measurement isn't specified it's easier to suspend disbelief, and I totally get that too. Sometimes I enjoy a story better if I get to imagine myself or some one else in place of a character… but isn't that on me as the reader? As my choice? This is the first time in my experience as a writer that I have had other writers endorse being general over specific… Am I totally crazy but shouldn't a writer be encouraged to be more specific?