Who doesn't love a big cock…?

[sr71plt]

Am I totally crazy but shouldn't a writer be encouraged to be more specific?

I don't think it's a question of specificity. Some readers just are turned on more by the measurement than by general "it/they is/are big" references.

Again, I reject the vigilante and anal retentive attempts to mess with the fetishes of others in the Literotica story file.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

Like any story-related detail, you will find those who like it, those who don't, and some who are indifferent. You will find people on either side of the argument who think their way is the only way to write a story. Those people are the only ones who are definitely wrong. As with everything in writing erotic stories, it's all a matter of taste.

For the record, I find the use of huge cocks trite, and the reliance on superhuman measurements kind of silly. Strangely, after writing numerous stories where the male sexual organ is merely described as "average," I find myself including a few that are "large" or "imposing" (and one that was described as "stumpy"). I don't know, maybe I was just looking for variety.

 

[sr71plt]

Your second paragraph pretty much makes your first paragraph worthless.

In real life there are some who are aroused by big genitalia. Why would it be trite or unrealistic to write for this fetish and why can't those who aren't aroused by it just mind their own business and not push their own views about it at folks on the forum?

 

[soflabbwlvr]

Your second paragraph pretty much makes your first paragraph worthless.

In real life there are some who are aroused by big genitalia. Why would it be trite or unrealistic to write for this fetish and why can't those who aren't aroused by it just mind their own business and not push their own views about it at folks on the forum?

Oh, I don't know, maybe if you read the title of this thread "Who doesn't love a big cock...?" and the initial post you wouldn't be so antagonistic to opposing viewpoints. The OP asked for viewpoints. I stated my preference and why. I didn't tell anyone what they should or should not write. It's up to each individual author to decide how they want to write their own stories. Why can't anyone disagree with you without being told to just shut up?

 

[sr71plt]

Why can't anyone disagree with you without being told to just shut up?

Actually they can and do.

Why do you feel the need to tell others what they should write/read? (Mine being no more of an assertion than your statement that I don't let anyone disagree with me and tell them to shut up.)

Just wondered why you couldn't resist having paragraph two slapped onto paragraph one. It makes you two-faced.

 

[PennLady]

Iiiinteresting… this "lazy choice" thing fascinates me, because it is exactly that kind of statement I'm trying to unpack. I totally get what you mean, in the sense that certain stereotypical choices often show up in bad writing (best example: "Peterotica" episode of Family Guy… makes me laugh every time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RigCSFhdvQk) But bad writing is bad writing. And choices are only determined "lazy" by the quality of the writing. Is the choice necessary? Followed through on? Essential to the story?

Well, remember, this is all opinion. To me, and I emphasize I'm only talking about my own reaction here, a lot of erotica stories have a man with a large cock. And as far as it goes, that's fine. It's fantasy, it's fiction, and lots of people enjoy that. I get that it's a choice, and the choices are up to the author. No problem. I make my own choices.

I also make my own choices on what to read, and in my experience, limited though it is, I find that the guy with the 12"-cock is often there not so much as an active choice as the writer thinks, "I'm writing porn, ergo a large cock is required." Like I said, this is not enough on its own that I would reject a story. But it would be one thing added to others that might.

I haven't read your story, so I'm not saying anything about it. If you are writing for a certain purpose or agenda and the size of the cock is important, then no problem. (And the name is funny, btw.) Every story and every writer is different.

Not specifying can also be a lazy choice. Again, speaking only for myself, I tend not to do a great deal of physical description of my characters let alone their genitalia. I don't feel I'm very good at it, so I take a different track. No one seems to mind, although perhaps they do and just haven't said anything to me.

I'm just super curious about this statement because it feels hypocritical to me. I don't expect everyone to like my stories, they're not for everyone. And this one, of all my stories, is probably the least well-written one. And I would gladly accept feedback on character/story/grammar/style/whathaveyou but for someone to take the time to tell me that he stopped reading as soon as he read the character was well-endowed? I don't know, but THAT feels like the lazy choice to me.

I suppose the short answer is, I find large cocks like that unappealing in a few ways. My initial thoughts are "Ow, that would hurt," and "It wouldn't fit." I guess reality intrudes on me sometimes. At any rate, if I'm reading because I want a story to arouse me, and I find that kind of description, then I may bemore likely to leave the story because that fact detracts from the arousal. Lazy choice? Maybe, but if you're reading to get off, why read something that doesn't get you off? And again, this is only *me* I'm talking about.

If the description is more general, with words like "large" or whatever instead of an exact measurement, then I picture whatever I think of as "large" and the story is more enjoyable *for me.*

You mention that if measurement isn't specified it's easier to suspend disbelief, and I totally get that too. Sometimes I enjoy a story better if I get to imagine myself or some one else in place of a character… but isn't that on me as the reader? As my choice? This is the first time in my experience as a writer that I have had other writers endorse being general over specific… Am I totally crazy but shouldn't a writer be encouraged to be more specific?

I said it's easier for ME to suspend disbelief; that shouldn't be applied to anyone else. If you enjoy a story more when you imagine yourself as a character, then have at. I don't think I enjoy stories the same way, but it doesn't mean I enjoy them any less.

As far as being general goes, I can only say that based on what I've read in places like this forum, *some* people prefer less detail. Not all, probably not even most, just *some.*

I think a writer should be specific about what adds most to their story, and if being specific about the size of a cock or a woman's breast does that, then be as specific as you like. Some will like it, some won't, and some won't care. Like with any story.

 

[PennLady]

In real life there are some who are aroused by big genitalia. Why would it be trite or unrealistic to write for this fetish and why can't those who aren't aroused by it just mind their own business and not push their own views about it at folks on the forum?

No one is arguing against you. Of course there are people aroused by large genitalia -- and some by small and some by average and some by alien genitalia. No one is disagreeing about that and no one is telling anyone not to write what they want to write.

Answering the question or expressing an opinion is just that, and doesn't mean you're trying to get anyone to do anything. The OP asked a question -- I don't get why you seem mad that people answered.

 

[WhatamIdoinhere]

I think it is entirely possible that more highly sexualized people find a large member to be visually arousing. They may not want to have sex with it but they prefer to see a large one. My estimate might be that 40% of women find a large member to be more visually impressive, 20% have a distinct preference for sex with a large member, maybe 10-15% will have sex mostly because of a large member.

I will venture a guess that TotalKnockout is a very sexual lady. Maybe top 5% material. May have a challenge finding partners to keep up with her. But I'm just guessing.

Then again....TKO could be a male. This IS the internet and TKO thinks like me in her writing.

 

[TotalKnockout]

I think it is entirely possible that more highly sexualized people find a large member to be visually arousing. They may not want to have sex with it but they prefer to see a large one. My estimate might be that 40% of women find a large member to be more visually impressive, 20% have a distinct preference for sex with a large member, maybe 10-15% will have sex mostly because of a large member.

I will venture a guess that TotalKnockout is a very sexual lady. Maybe top 5% material. May have a challenge finding partners to keep up with her. But I'm just guessing.

Then again....TKO could be a male. This IS the internet and TKO thinks like me in her writing.

While I think your estimated statistics are dubious, and your personal comments about me are curious, I can assure you that I am 100% female. Did you ever consider that maybe you think like me and not the other way around?

TKO

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

There is absolutely nothing hotter than reading about massive cock! I love it.

If that's the case, you would definitely love my stories.

 

[LaurenLust]

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[Mello_SixtyNine]

behh... right... who doesn't like big cocks? But.... let put it this way... imagine you have a gorgeous Ferrari, a magnificent Lamborghini, but guess what... you don't know how to drive... Dah dah! what's the point? If I want a huge dick, there are plenty of monster dicks out there on sex shops; call me romantic, but... I rather be with a man who knows how to drive, cause I'm sure he will know how to drive his dick, his fingers, his tongue and my toys, but if he has a big dick? that's a great plus

Unfortunately, I don't own a Lamborghini but I do have a nice Audi & I definitely know how to drive it. It's probably because of my lifetime of driving in Wisconsin winters.

PS...I'm also good at fucking.

 

[LaurenLust]

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[Mello_SixtyNine]

I'm just happy that I don't own a smart car or a Honda Civic.

 

[lovecraft68]

behh... right... who doesn't like big cocks? But.... let put it this way... imagine you have a gorgeous Ferrari, a magnificent Lamborghini, but guess what... you don't know how to drive... Dah dah! what's the point? If I want a huge dick, there are plenty of monster dicks out there on sex shops; call me romantic, but... I rather be with a man who knows how to drive, cause I'm sure he will know how to drive his dick, his fingers, his tongue and my toys, but if he has a big dick? that's a great plus

A female co worker of mine always says, the problem with a big dick is its usually attached to a bigger one.

 

[WhatamIdoinhere]

While I think your estimated statistics are dubious, and your personal comments about me are curious, I can assure you that I am 100% female. Did you ever consider that maybe you think like me and not the other way around?

TKO

I am at a considerable disadvantage due to having never been a female. I have attracted a number of "size queens" and previously thought the number of size fans was much higher. My readings on the internet assure me that women are far more interested in more important things. Indeed...the less penetration and friction, the more ideal the mating partner. I would love to be enlightened by someone with your level of expertise. What numbers would you feel more comfortable with? I didn't mean to cause any discomfort by forcing too large of numbers.....

I am extremely male and am unaccustomed to women writing in such a direct, physical way...the way that I write. Women often talk of hesitation, glances, touches, broad shoulders and sunsets on the beach. TKO? Its horse cocks spewing large quantities of sperm over lascivious lips. Your thinking is just....a little bit different. I like it. It is almost as nasty as what I would write.

I used to write a lot of the nastiest porn imaginable. Imagine the disappointment when someone stole it. People act like they are above porn but they sure do like to watch mine when I am not around. Especially women...imagine that.

 

[TotalKnockout]

I am extremely male and am unaccustomed to women writing in such a direct, physical way...the way that I write. Women often talk of hesitation, glances, touches, broad shoulders and sunsets on the beach. TKO? Its horse cocks spewing large quantities of sperm over lascivious lips. Your thinking is just....a little bit different. I like it. It is almost as nasty as what I would write.

I'm not sure what being "extremely male" entails or what kind of women you talk to, but you see the great thing about rules is that there's always an exception… I'll take the above statement as a compliment.

And I'm glad you like my writing... Don't worry, I'll make sure to include some hesitating glances and sunset hand-holding in my next story you so can confirm that I'm female.

 

[DonnaBeck]

Me, that's who

Not that interested in a big cock. As a petite female, they can be too much. I prefer an average sized cock that is connected to a really clever mind. The problem with big cocks is they give a man a false sense of pride which he did nothing to earn, other than be the recipient of particular genes.

(Sorry if I sounded more Bio Teacher than sexy lit lady...I vacillate between the two.)

 

[Bramblethorn]

I was. I was trying to engage in a genuine dialogue about this, and I'm glad you responded. And thanks for being so candid. Just because I don't necessarily agree with you doesn't mean I don't want to listen.

Cool. I do appreciate the polite discussion

I'm new to these boards but I keep noticing that every thread that interests me keeps devolving into bitter squabbling. I don't really understand why. Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't really seem necessary… How many axes are grinding here??

Yeah, it's annoying. I'm not going to comment on specifics because I don't want to encourage further derailing of this thread, but: most of the regulars here are pretty friendly, there's just a handful who like to be obnoxious. If you hang around you'll get used to the recurring patterns and maybe learn to read around them.

I agree that lit authors use penis size as a male descriptor often in their writing, but I don't think his point is irrelevant.

What I'm noticing is that people seriously identify with the characters when they read, searching for commonalities. Body shape/size is just as visceral in some cases as penis size.

(Some specific elements of female body shape get used in almost the exact same way as penis size; I have the same reaction to stories that lead with her mighty E-cups as I do to stories about his mighty eight inches. But I think you're talking about more general physical build here.)

I love writing about people with all different body types. I think that sexuality comes in all shapes and sizes and imagining bodies different than my own is fun, freeing even, at least for me. In the stories I've posted on Literotica so far, I have three different female protagonists: one really petite, one voluptuous and curvy, and one that is pretty average. I also have a main guy that is tall and lanky and another that is muscular. Two of my other characters have huge dicks but for one it is a source of shame and the other it is a source of pride. I enjoy exploring those territories psychologically.

If I noticed that in a story, I'd be more likely to keep reading. I don't tend to visualise as I read, so a lot of physical description is wasted on me. But if an author is willing to write about body types other than "cookie-cutter porn star", often that goes hand in hand with creativity in the aspects of the story that do interest me.

And if you're using penis size in the same sort of way, that wouldn't be a problem for me (assuming I realised that was what you were doing). The issue is that there are a lot of other writers out there who don't use it that way.

For the sake of argument, let's make up some numbers and pretend there are just three distinct types of stories on Lit: Big Cock Fetish Without Nuance (60% of all stories), Big Cock With Nuance (20% of stories), and Other Nuance (the remaining 20% of stories). Assume that as a reader I like Nuance stories (either type) and I want to read them without wasting time on BCF stuff that isn't to my tastes.

Unfortunately, categorisation and titles aren't much help in figuring out which is which, so I have to start reading stories and see what I get. It usually doesn't take long to figure out whether I'm reading a Big Cock story, maybe just a minute, because authors tend to present that info early. But it takes longer, maybe another five minutes of reading, before I can tell whether it's a Nuance story. So how should I handle that?

If I give each story a good solid chance, read for the full six minutes and find out for sure whether it's my kind of story, I can screen ten stories in an hour, and expect to find four that suit my tastes.

If I make a snap judgement after a minute of reading, and stop reading anything that turns out to be a Big Cock story... sure, I'm throwing away half the stories I would have enjoyed. But I can screen sixty stories an hour, and even with a dozen false negatives, I'll still find a dozen more that I'll enjoy reading.

From an author's perspective that probably seems hard-hearted - you've put a lot of effort into something and I'm rejecting it based on a very superficial judgement that may well be wrong. But from a reader's perspective, there are more stories on Literotica than I can ever expect to read, so I'm better off being ruthless in filtering.

(Of course, if you establish the interesting-to-me aspects before mentioning penis size, that's a different kettle of fish and more likely to hold my attention.)

You mention that if measurement isn't specified it's easier to suspend disbelief, and I totally get that too. Sometimes I enjoy a story better if I get to imagine myself or some one else in place of a character… but isn't that on me as the reader? As my choice? This is the first time in my experience as a writer that I have had other writers endorse being general over specific… Am I totally crazy but shouldn't a writer be encouraged to be more specific?

There are certainly situations where it's good to be specific, but I wouldn't give that as blanket advice. Some of the most acclaimed writers in history have favoured a minimalist style: "perfection is achieved when there is nothing left to take away".

I'm not shy of including specifics but I try to avoid doing it just for the sake of describing something; almost any time I describe details I have some purpose in mind. My first story here ended up as a 99k-word novel and I don't think I ever gave a physical description of the protagonist apart from some clothing choices and a haircut, both relevant to her situation as a lesbian in a homophobic environment. Readers seem to have been OK with that - at least I never had any complaints on that front.

 

[BurningMonkey]

Most of the time I don't care; big dick, little dick, it's all one to me...unless I can picture myself in the male character's role. Then if he has a bigger dick than mine it detracts from my identifying with him, and as PennLady says, it interferes with my arousal, so what's the point of reading on?

I don't have a big dick, but it's adequate to my needs and that of my lady, and as long as I'm getting some, it doesn't matter. If I were unable to find a partner due to the fact that I don't have a big dick, then I'd have an issue with it...but that would just be envy, pure and simple.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I worked with families and couples for many years, and there's no rhyme or reason to why people bond. I looked at celebrity couples earlier, and many of them are odd-couples. She's gorgeous, and he's outhouse ugly. I usta wonder what the attraction was. So I don't believe one size fits all. My characters are the types who appeal to me. I think reader libido is what decides. If youre getting meat 24/7 meatloaf aint gonna do it for you, if you aint had any meat in a while bologna is great.

 

[robertreams]

He is the model for several of my characters, although the young girls brining their friends to see it is a possible story. Of course the story loses much of its power because one has to make the girls so old. Why can't the truth be written.

 

[WhatamIdoinhere]

I'm not sure what being "extremely male" entails or what kind of women you talk to, but you see the great thing about rules is that there's always an exception… I'll take the above statement as a compliment.

And I'm glad you like my writing... Don't worry, I'll make sure to include some hesitating glances and sunset hand-holding in my next story you so can confirm that I'm female.

"women you talk to" should have read "women I read about". My mistake, I am pre-occupied with trying to close on a house that I had the winning and "accepted" bid on. Women that I talk to are generally pretty enthusiastic about size. That is why I was surprised by my readings that most women are not so into size.

As for "extremely male"? I sometimes wish I was born in the 1600's so I could be an Appalachian pathfinder befriending Indians and cougars. I participated in football, basketball, and triathlons at almost six and a half feet.
Nuts the size of golf balls, they do half of my thinking for me. "Extremely male" or "reeking of masculinity" is a pretty common description.

The hesitating glances ought to be directed at the males horse cock. The sunset hand holding merely a prelude to inhaling his massive manhood down her gluttonous, stretched out throat. Lets give her a pair of balloons and a little butt while we are at it?

One should always be a wee bit skeptical about internet persona's? You may weigh 350 pounds which would indeed make you fully capable of totally knocking someone out.

 

[TotalKnockout]

There are certainly situations where it's good to be specific, but I wouldn't give that as blanket advice. Some of the most acclaimed writers in history have favoured a minimalist style: "perfection is achieved when there is nothing left to take away".

Thanks… This is actually the most satisfying and articulate response I've read yet about this whole issue. I can get on board with the above.

I'd be really curious to hear your feedback on my latest story "Our Dirty Secret Shared" which should be up today (Thursday) in the Group Sex section. It's the fourth story in my series following the same couple but it includes a sort of unusual character with a huge cock… I was curious to see what it would be if being really well-endowed made a guy shy/ashamed instead of really confident. I'd love to hear what you think given this whole conversation.

And I totally hear you about wanting to save time and read through more stories. It makes a lot of sense.

The only thing I still struggle with is the idea of people insisting there are hard and fast literary rules to follow, especially concerning size of sexual organs. It's more work to stay open minded, but at least I think, it's more rewarding in the long run.

TKO

 

[TotalKnockout]

"women you talk to" should have read "women I read about". My mistake, I am pre-occupied with trying to close on a house that I had the winning and "accepted" bid on. Women that I talk to are generally pretty enthusiastic about size. That is why I was surprised by my readings that most women are not so into size.

As for "extremely male"? I sometimes wish I was born in the 1600's so I could be an Appalachian pathfinder befriending Indians and cougars. I participated in football, basketball, and triathlons at almost six and a half feet.
Nuts the size of golf balls, they do half of my thinking for me. "Extremely male" or "reeking of masculinity" is a pretty common description.

The hesitating glances ought to be directed at the males horse cock. The sunset hand holding merely a prelude to inhaling his massive manhood down her gluttonous, stretched out throat. Lets give her a pair of balloons and a little butt while we are at it?

One should always be a wee bit skeptical about internet persona's? You may weigh 350 pounds which would indeed make you fully capable of totally knocking someone out.

Hahahahaha… or reeking of something else. I'm not sure what your intention is here, but whatever it is, the result is incredibly off-putting.