Why are middle-aged white Americans dying/killing themselves?

[BotanyBoy]

Tell me again how unions and manufacturing don't support Democrats?
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I never said that, you're just making shit up......keep obsessing over my ass.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I never said that, you're just making shit up......keep obsessing over my ass.

You've said the opposite or very nearly often enough.

Though I am curious about the obession with your hindquarters. I mean if you were dolf or garnate. . .

 

[BotanyBoy]

He's part of the crowd that believes unions destroyed the American Middle class by forcing jobs to China and India.

No I'm not.

I'm part of the crowd that thinks the unions don't mean shit if the VASTLY economically superior choice is and continues to be to just fire everyone and buy slave labor from China.

Largely because either inept or corrupt politicians running the trade policy.

The unions, the people, do NOT have our governments support.....so country X gets the jobs/money and the union gets fucked, and then blamed.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I never said that, you're just making shit up......keep obsessing over my ass.

Look, if the unions are pro-Democrat, then the Democrats are pro-manufacturing, not anti-. What, you think the unions don't know what they're doing? They're not a bunch of ignorant Kansas farmers reflexively voting against their own economic interests for social-issues reasons. The labor leaders in the manufacturing sector spend practically all their time thinking about what government policy will mean for American job prospects in their sector, and they know which party is better for that -- the Democrats.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You've said the opposite or very nearly often enough.

Though I am curious about the obession with your hindquarters. I mean if you were dolf or garnate. . .

I said/am saying the opposite.

Democrats don't support these people unless running for office and talking out their ass. They along with their GOP buddies have been happy to export these jobs to slave labor in some hole. The DNC might put on a show WWF style but at the end of the day big money has dominated across the board and until we get some politicians in there to stop making it so lucrative to do so they will continue.

I'm pretty sure he wanks over my profile/posts regularly.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Look, if the unions are pro-Democrat, then the Democrats are pro-manufacturing, not anti-. What, you think the unions don't know what they're doing? They're not a bunch of ignorant Kansas farmers reflexively voting against their own economic interests for social-issues reasons. The labor leaders in the manufacturing sector spend practically all their time thinking about what government policy will mean for American job prospects in their sector, and they know which party is better for that -- the Democrats.

Then why do the Democrats push legislation that makes it prohibitively expensive to do business here in the US without some kind of tax/tariff on all these sweat shop countries that save money by doing the shit we legislate against?

Because that would be BAD for big money....yes, even democrat big money. Can you imagine how expensive a new iphone would be.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Okay I'm confused. Cus companies use sweat shops because of cheap labor and unions fight low wages. You cannot support unions without supporting policies that make sending jobs overseas more attractive (without doing other stuff like tarriffs and write offs) these things are mutually exclusive.

 

[JackLuis]

US economic policies are devastating society

The death rate among white middle-aged Americans is rising at an alarming rate, even as death rates for all other Americans are falling. The increase is concentrated among whites with meager educations and is “largely accounted for by increasing death rates from drug and alcohol poisonings, suicide and chronic liver diseases and cirrhosis,” according to two Princeton University scholars, one of whom was just awarded the Nobel in economics.

Their findings should awaken Americans to the price we pay for pursuing economic policies that enrich the few at the expense of the many.

Drug and alcohol use that results in death from either poisoning or chronic disease, as well as increased self-extermination, point to social pathologies fostered by government policies that favor moving jobs offshore, reducing wages, restricting access to health care and enabling age discrimination in hiring.

The wages of inequality

For the vast majority of Americans, economic and social conditions have been in decline for years.

The median wage, adjusted for inflation, has been stuck at about $550 a week since 1999. The pretax incomes reported on 90 percent of tax returns in 2013 were in real terms about the same as way back in 1966, up just $191, or six-tenths of 1 percent, after 47 years.

The big income gains were among the top 1 percent, especially the upper reaches of that group. Among the top hundredth of 1 percent, average real income soared from $5.5 million to $25 million over those 47 years. That’s a growth rate 590 times greater than what the bottom 90 percent experienced, a disparity made even greater because those at the top saw their federal income tax burdens fall by about three times as much as the bottom 90 percent.

 

[midwestyankee]

I read an analysis earlier today that suggested an explanation that could account for a good portion of the change, but not all. If you break down the rising mortality numbers for white middle class people by gender, you find that mortality among men in the group rose between 1999 and 2005 and then stayed about the same. However, since 1999, mortality among white middle-class women began to rise in 1999 and continues to do so. American women began smoking in large numbers somewhat later than American men, and quit later as well. This shows up as a steady increase in the number of lung-cancer-related deaths in this group.

A big study found spiking death rates for middle-aged white Americans. Critics say it's more complicated.

The Urban Institute researchers point out (as Deaton and Case did) that accidental poisonings — linked to prescription painkillers and heroin use — are a problem. But they say there's more to the story, too:

Accidental poisonings increased more than all the other causes combined, but they still explain only half of the total increase in deaths among white women at these ages.

In addition to suicide, obesity- and smoking-related diseases are driving these mortality increases. Our findings clearly point to the need for a stronger public health focus on the misuse of prescription opioid drugs, as well as more prevention and treatment of tobacco, alcohol, and other drug use; mental illness; and obesity-related illnesses.

 

[dan_c00000]

Those guys just want to lay pipe!

Ha, nice! Yeah they do wanna lay some pipe.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Okay I'm confused. Cus companies use sweat shops because of cheap labor and unions fight low wages. You cannot support unions without supporting policies that make sending jobs overseas more attractive (without doing other stuff like tarriffs and write offs) these things are mutually exclusive.

No I'm saying until democrats get up there and say " NO MORE....if you're using 3rd world labor instead of paying an American 20/hr we are going to tax you absolutely the fuck out of existence. 100 billion fucking dollars a day, ya got 120 days to bring ops home or get the fuck out. Better get a move on or the fees gonna add up quick!" they aren't really any better than Republicans as far as supporting the unions and labor, mom and pop. Sure they get up there and go "Ohhh 15 bucks an hr! Full benefits part time and 300 days paid vacation!!! Student debt forgiveness!! See, I'm for you little peons, I'm on your side!! " it's a marvelous dog and pony show, but at the end of the day they are blowing sunshine up democrats ass's.

Without a stop measure more and more jobs are flying out the door....soon we will have PhD's fighting to flip burgers. YAY!!