Why are some rape stories allowed, some arent?

[cantdog]

Rape is just violence.

The point is usually the same as if you just beat someone up. Who cares if it's allowed or not?

You want to read rape, read mainstream crime, true crime or fiction. Lotta serial killer stuff out there. Snuff rape. Hey, that's entertainment, I guess. Some of it makes the bestseller lists. True crime is a big genre, but seldom best selling.

Like chilled says, it's out there. I think a lot of the appeal of it is prurient, too.

No writer has a "right" to be published by anyone. Same here. Try the paperback houses with your rape stuff if it's rejected here, or "Morepork" magazine. Whatever. There's a market for most shit somewhere.

For me, porn is overrun with SM and detective fiction is overrun with serial killers. Rabid vengeance and violence fantasies always sell bigger when you're conquering as a society.

cantdog

 

[Boxlicker101]

Rape is just violence.

The point is usually the same as if you just beat someone up. Who cares if it's allowed or not?

You want to read rape, read mainstream crime, true crime or fiction. Lotta serial killer stuff out there. Snuff rape. Hey, that's entertainment, I guess. Some of it makes the bestseller lists. True crime is a big genre, but seldom best selling.

Like chilled says, it's out there. I think a lot of the appeal of it is prurient, too.

No writer has a "right" to be published by anyone. Same here. Try the paperback houses with your rape stuff if it's rejected here, or "Morepork" magazine. Whatever. There's a market for most shit somewhere.

For me, porn is overrun with SM and detective fiction is overrun with serial killers. Rabid vengeance and violence fantasies always sell bigger when you're conquering as a society.

cantdog

I about 90% agree with you about rape being just violence. Sometimes what is called "date rape" does not involve any violence. The guy just goes ahead, even though she is saying something like "Oh, we shouldn't be doing this," while she offers no resistance and even cooperates by doing things like lifting her ass off the bed to let him pull her panties down. Later on, if she complains to the law, her mild protestation will be construed as "saying no", even though, as any woman can tell you if she is honest, what a woman says is a lot less important than how she says it, and her actions. We have some other threads about women communicating and the women on those threads tend to agree that this is so.

 

[angela146]

I can't imagine a story about an actual rape, except a date rape sometimes, where the rapist wants his or her victim to enjoy it. One of the primary motivations for rape is to have the victim suffer.

That's true in many/most of the rapes that get reported. However there are other kinds of rapes that happen and often don't get reported for various reasons.

I guess I'm thinking of maybe a workplace sexual harrassment situation that goes a step farther.

For example: the boss wants "more than anything" to have sex with a particular woman (she really turns him on or whatever). She says "no". He forces her into it anyway through physical force or threat of firing her or whatever.

In this case, he may in fact wish that she would enjoy it because that would make him feel like a stud. *But* if he can't have that, he still wants to do it and because he's a lot more powerful than she is, he gets away with it.

Maybe he even thinks "Oh yeah, she'll enjoy it once we get started. How could any woman not want to have sex with *me*."

The fact that he isn't particularly interested in making her suffer means that he's not going to beat her up or leave a lot of bruises. He may just bend her over the desk and hold her there.

 

[cantdog]

Okay, so there's a lot of afterthought rape claims. You happen to be right on that. We treat them in the ER here with startling regularity.

There are a few things wrong with dismissing date rape by using the example of an afterthought rape claim.

(and before you say so, I know you aren't exactly dismissing it. But hear me out.)

One is, there's a whole subclass of rape known as "confidence rape." It's more subtle, perhaps, than straight force, but it's rape all the same. What is it like when a confidence rape victim realizes what's been happening? A lot like afterthought rape claims, I'll be willing to bet, and taken just about as seriously, unless the victim is a minor.

The other is, that I personally witnessed a date rape when I and my companions were underage. We were behind the beer tent at the fairground when this couple, seniors in high school, came around back, and we ducked. We lay on the grass and watched as they kissed and reached into each other's clothes. It was pretty horny at first. She had a corduroy mini, very stiff fabric, and it flipped up all the time, flashing us a nice ass, which the guy peeled for us. Then he unzipped and requested a suck.

She was willing. He was a jock, a "hero" of the football field, a handsome fellow, and his folks had money. She wasn't even his girlfriend. I've told you I was two years ahead of my age group in school. I had a class with his girlfriend at the time, a knockout blonde. This girl was just moving in on him; and he was willing to take the sex.

She went to her knees (which meant we lost sight of the ass) and sucked. He had one posture for getting head:
a certain stance with his legs and hips, holding both her ears and treating her skull like a merkin. She resisted the way he was grabbing her and poking her throat.

"Cut it out, ____, yer makin me gag," she complained. "I'm doing this, let go."

I had to shush my girlfriend because she giggled about the gag thing.

He kept returning to his posture, she got steamed and swatted his hands away, then we stopped giggling altogether.

When she got fed up and shoved his hips back, then made as though to get up, he swatted her a full-arm slap, hard, across the face. "You'll suck and no backtalk!" he said. He slapped her again. Wow. Really hard. She whined and cried and blubbered but he grabbed her hair and jammed in again, and she was just taking it, helpless.

I stood up, I pulled my girlfriend up, my pal's girl saw us do that and she stood and pulled HIM up.

All four of us rose out of the grass and stood there. He lost his grip and the victim of his violence rolled down the hill to our feet and pulled her panties back up, glaring at him and wiping her eyes and mouth.

All this took only seconds to do. I said "There are five of us, ____. Five witnesses. Put your pants on and go. It's over."

He growled and took a swipe at me, but the ring of eyes made my words sink in, and he left vowing vengeance.

He did beat the living crap out of me the next week, enough to hospitalize me, but that's because I had more guts than brains. Hell, I knew the ape was vicious just from watching what I'd been watching.

That was date rape, too. No court would convict him, for two reasons.

One, she didn't want to discuss it and swore us to secrecy over and over. Then, too, she had started to suck him and had intended to do the petting, and so on. No sense calling it rape and going through the pain of testifying if you'll be laughed out of court.

The second and most important reason was that he was who he was. A jock hero on the gridiron, whose family was rich. Wealth is impunity. She knew it, he knew it. He was untouchable.

His assault on me happened in the stairway between classes, and climaxed with my being tossed down a story onto a metal and concrete stair rail. He never even got someone in the school system to cluck a tongue at him, let alone suspension, civil charges, criminal charges. Impunity.

So it happens. If not confidence, force. If not either of those, drug them into helplessness and just fuck 'em. All the same. Unprosecutable, largely, and so "date rape."

Some fantasy. I think people with rape fantasies need the "forced" element as absolution. I can do all this nasty stuff and it ain't my fault, I was helpless, I'm not to blame. This is pretty juvenile. If you want to do nasty stuff, have at it. Be woman enough to admit it. But people spend a lot of effort making girl children feel guilty about having fun sexually, and so there are a lot of pathetic twisted juvenile rape fantasies. Even in older women.

In my mind, the ones who instill this much sexual guilt in women are almost always religious people, claiming to follow the teachings of a gentle man who died a couple thousand years ago and didn't preach guilt to start with.

Religions are to blame for a lot of the bad shit that goes down.

cantdog

 

[angela146]

Some fantasy. I think people with rape fantasies need the "forced" element as absolution. I can do all this nasty stuff and it ain't my fault, I was helpless, I'm not to blame. This is pretty juvenile. If you want to do nasty stuff, have at it. Be woman enough to admit it. But people spend a lot of effort making girl children feel guilty about having fun sexually, and so there are a lot of pathetic twisted juvenile rape fantasies. Even in older women.

The "forced element as absolution" is one motivation for rape fantasies.

Another is the "roller coaster" mentality. Some women (and some men for that matter) get off on the adrenaline rush caused by the fear. In most cases, these kinds of fantasies are *only* fantasies because we put safety limits on them as we fantasize them.

The bad guy scares the hell out of the victim but because it's a fantasy. The rough stuff only goes to a certain point or the fantasizer magically decides that it isn't going to hurt "too much".

This is one of the many kinds of fantasies that I have. It's also a form of real-life sexual activity that I enjoy with my husband (and only my husband).

I don't do it for absolution or sex without guilt. I don't need absolution and I don't feel guilty about sex. I like getting fucked all sorts of different ways and this happens to be one of them.

It's just that I get a major horny out of the idea of being held down and being afraid that I might get hurt. But it only works *if* I trust that the guy doing it won't hurt me too badly.

Back to my original metaphor: imagine yourself on a rollercoaster. At every turn and every sudden drop, you are scared shitless about what's going to happen next. It sure looks and feels like you're going to die. But you know you aren't going to die (probably).

That thrill is an element of some rape fantasies.

 

[cantdog]

I never got off on roller coasters, so I am blind to that particular motivator. I can see how it might happen that way, and I can understand that it is merely my own blindness that made me miss it.

Fear feels bad, and afterward, I smell bad. The fear sweat is peculiarly acrid. I've faced a rifle aimed at me, a dog biting my face, and a trip down into a railing, as referred to earlier, at the hands of a bully with a wide happy grin like the people in the photos of Abu Ghraib. That is the face of impunity. All really hot fear scenes. All big charges of adrenaline.

In my mind, these are the sorts of experience life is best lived in a manner to avoid.

(Roller coasters don't even scare me, they just jerk me around in an unpleasant way for a while. Never worth the money.)

But you've opened my eyes to a motivation I hadn't seen. Thanks.

cantdog

 

[KarenAM]

Some fantasy. I think people with rape fantasies need the "forced" element as absolution. I can do all this nasty stuff and it ain't my fault, I was helpless, I'm not to blame. This is pretty juvenile. If you want to do nasty stuff, have at it. Be woman enough to admit it. But people spend a lot of effort making girl children feel guilty about having fun sexually, and so there are a lot of pathetic twisted juvenile rape fantasies. Even in older women.

In my mind, the ones who instill this much sexual guilt in women are almost always religious people, claiming to follow the teachings of a gentle man who died a couple thousand years ago and didn't preach guilt to start with.

Religions are to blame for a lot of the bad shit that goes down.

cantdog

First, I'm impressed that you did what you did, cantdog, even though you took a beating for it. That takes courage.

The absolution thing is a part of many rape fantasies, and yes, it is probably caused by our society's complete sexual dysfunction, in this case regarding female sexuality. I wouldn't call it juvenile, though; the fact is that the stigma surrounding sexuality follows women their whole lives and is often deeply ingrained. It's pretty serious stuff.

There's another feature to rape fantasies, too, that I think is pretty important: the element of control. Being raped is the ultimate in losing control for women, and this anxiety is a constant feature in life, even for those women who are never raped. As with many fantasies, rape fantasies allow a person to take control of a type of situation that in the real world is out of their control; I've talked to men who have fantasies about stopping rape, of miraculously being in the right place at the right time with the right weapon. For some men rescuing women is a sexual act in itself, and this fantasy a sexual fantasy, even if it has no sex act.

For some women, fantasizing about rape is a way of dealing with the anxiety that in the real world it can happen to them, but in the fantasy, they are in control of the rapist, not the other way around. A lot of women with these sorts of fantasies won't admit they have them, of course, because too many people pass harsh judgement on women who do, and as well, there are men out there who really believe that women who have rape fantasies actually want to be raped, though nothing could be further from the truth.

And as Angela said, the thrill factor is a big part of many fantasies. Naughty sex is often more fun precisely because it is naughty.

Just my thoughts on this.

 

[angela146]

But you've opened my eyes to a motivation I hadn't seen. Thanks. cantdog

You're welcome.

I think some of this is a gender thing (insert usual caveats about it not aplying in all cases etc.). Most women find strong men to be erotic. If you can actually feel the strength it make it more intense.

Some of it is a protection thing. If a man is strong enough to scare me, he's strong enough to protect me. Getting a "taste" of his strength, in the form of being overpowered for example, is one way of feeling the safety.

This one man in all the world can force me into having sex. I'll let it happen and won't complain because I know that he will prevent anyone else from hurting me.

There are elements of this in the classic fairy tale: The lady is being threatened by the evil dragon. A knight in shining armor comes along and slays the dragon, saving the lady.

However, part of the price (and the eroticism of the tale) is that the lady must surrender herself to the knight. She'll allow herself to be taken/fucked/raped by the knight because she knows that those muscles that are being used on her are the same ones that just saved her from the dragon.

The rape gives her a sense of security that he "still has it" and can still slay any dragons that might come her way.

In fact, she may struggle against him in order to feel more of his strength.

Excuse me... I'm going to go get laid right now.

 

[Pure]

That was a very affecting story, cant. I'm not sure anyone would say that what you describe isn't forced, though early elements of consent blur the picture a tiny bit.

Qyestion for cant:
If you wrote that up, fictionalized a bit, what lit. category would it belong in?

Should there be any lit. category where there's sex and a degree of harm? (i.e., story departs from 'both get off, in the end' formula).

Angela describes the appeal of a certain kind of 'rape fantasy,' which is appealing in the strength of the so called rapist.

Question for Angela: is it your impression that lit. 'nonconsent' is composed solely of those fantasies.?

 

[cantdog]

reply to Pure

Firstly, I admit to being made angry. It came from my personal history in these matters, and I wrote in anger. I apologize.

The blur in the picture you refer to is what makes date rape different from rape. Rape is prosecutable; date rape is not. No one has to discuss plain old rape.

I'll call her Nancy. The girl who was moving in on the rich boy and paid the price in a beery bitchslap-and-suck, "Nancy," came around to talk to me when I returned to school. The knockout blonde went out with him three times and then dropped him, she told me. He did this constantly to every good looking woman he could. That may help remove the blur. It was a pattern for him, one that relied on the women shutting up and taking the sperm. One that relied equally on the same impunity that allowed him to maim me without repercussion. He was born with money. That's America. Money talks, and you get to rape anyone you like.

As the story lays, Non-Consent is the only place it could go, unless my role would make it Romance, since I acted like the dragon slayer.

cantdog

 

[Pure]

Cant: reply to Pure

Firstly, I admit to being made angry. It came from my personal history in these matters, and I wrote in anger. I apologize.

The blur in the picture you refer to is what makes date rape different from rape. Rape is prosecutable; date rape is not. No one has to discuss plain old rape.

I'll call her Nancy. The girl who was moving in on the rich boy and paid the price in a beery bitchslap-and-suck, "Nancy," came around to talk to me when I returned to school.

There's nothing to apologize for. The impunity of some rapists, e.g, those with money, should make *people* angry.

I'm not sure why you say 'date rape' is not prosecutable. It may well be rarely so. But it's not in principle. You say Nancy was 'willing' and 'moved in' on him. That's to say she consented to certain early activities.

Her clear NON consent to the later activities, forcefully overcome, would make it rape.

Note there have been threads on this topic, including the well known "change of mind" during intercourse situation, which has of late been interpreted as possibly grounds for a rape charge, if the change of mind is obvious, ignored, and forcefully overcome.
See Kobe thread.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=247890&highlight=kobe


As to what' postable at Lit. I think all kinds of rape stories, not just the common 'jane doe' 'strong and caring rapist; happy climactic rape' fantasy. Not all women are 'jane does'

 

[cantdog]

Should there be any lit. category where there's sex and a degree of harm? (i.e., story departs from 'both get off, in the end' formula).

Sure. Let's say I wrote that up, and included it in a story with a larger plot. Say it only went to show that ____, the serial rapist with no liability, deserved his comeuppance. Why not?

Or if Nancy started a campaign against date rape as a thing in her school, collected stories about it from fellow women or gays or anyone, and then, having, let's say, three witnesses, posted the pictures (from the school yearbooks) and names with a warning: Date Rapist, women take note!

With repercussions from that.

Why not?

Throw in some sex, and you have a ripper.

I don't see why, so long as the young underage people never have any, you couldn't put it on the boards here. I think the ban is and should be relative. But I don't know enough about Lit. policies or the contents of the Non-Consent section, since rape doesn't "get" me, and I don't read it for fun. Maybe a work like that would be posted except for Chapter Two, the rape chapter I narrated above.

Can anyone say?

cantdog

 

[Pure]

Here's the url of the thread with some discussion and law about 'change of mind' cases, including the California case resulting in the man's conviction being upheld in appeals court.

Title: If Kobe Bryant ignored her pleas...

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=247890&highlight=kobe

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cant: don't know if you're set on public posting of names of the accused. it was floated (and done ) around the 1970s but has some fairly unsettling implications. have you considered just putting a hit on the guy?

 

[cantdog]

Here's the url of the thread with some discussion and law about 'change of mind' cases, including the California case resulting in the man's conviction being upheld in appeals court.

Title: If Kobe Bryant ignored her pleas...

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=247890&highlight=kobe

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cant: don't know if you're set on public posting of names of the accused. it was floated (and done ) around the 1970s but has some fairly unsettling implications. have you considered just putting a hit on the guy?

I got that part written already:

Posters go up on Dean Twitchell

And I'm very sure there were things to regret when that sort of thing was attempted in the 1970s. But I think it's heroic, if quixotic. I would write it that Dean kills the boy, rather than maiming him, and escapes that, as well.

I have a low opinion of the justice system.

The actual Dean, not his name, is a multimillionaire with a large old-boy network of powerful people and a brother who has been a prominent politician. He is still untouchable, and I do not plan to post his name, personally.

cantdog

 

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[sweetnpetite]

The woman is the prize.

Many men still believe that the woman should be therr 'reward' in the end for being the hero (weather that's going to work everyday or whatever) of there lifestory. Many woman by into that. (The tradgedy of 'romantic' notions)

The prize for being the quarter back is that you 'get' the head chearleader.

ON quantum leap, Sam never made the leap until he kissed the girl. (the hero must always kiss the girl...)

HIs story is the adventure, and she is the prize, the object to be won (maybe the reason that his suffering and sacrifice is worthwile), hers is the romance. Her reward for being passive and helpless, a victim, is that she is 'rescued'-- but of course for this she owes a dept to her savior. She now belongs to him.

No wonder relationships are so fucked up.

I prefer honest nonconsent to romantic propaganda.

You're welcome.

I think some of this is a gender thing (insert usual caveats about it not aplying in all cases etc.). Most women find strong men to be erotic. If you can actually feel the strength it make it more intense.

Some of it is a protection thing. If a man is strong enough to scare me, he's strong enough to protect me. Getting a "taste" of his strength, in the form of being overpowered for example, is one way of feeling the safety.

This one man in all the world can force me into having sex. I'll let it happen and won't complain because I know that he will prevent anyone else from hurting me.

There are elements of this in the classic fairy tale: The lady is being threatened by the evil dragon. A knight in shining armor comes along and slays the dragon, saving the lady.

However, part of the price (and the eroticism of the tale) is that the lady must surrender herself to the knight. She'll allow herself to be taken/fucked/raped by the knight because she knows that those muscles that are being used on her are the same ones that just saved her from the dragon.

The rape gives her a sense of security that he "still has it" and can still slay any dragons that might come her way.

In fact, she may struggle against him in order to feel more of his strength.

Excuse me... I'm going to go get laid right now.

 

[KarenAM]

The woman is the prize.

Many men still believe that the woman should be therr 'reward' in the end for being the hero (weather that's going to work everyday or whatever) of there lifestory. Many woman by into that. (The tradgedy of 'romantic' notions)

The prize for being the quarter back is that you 'get' the head chearleader.

ON quantum leap, Sam never made the leap until he kissed the girl. (the hero must always kiss the girl...)

HIs story is the adventure, and she is the prize, the object to be won (maybe the reason that his suffering and sacrifice is worthwile), hers is the romance. Her reward for being passive and helpless, a victim, is that she is 'rescued'-- but of course for this she owes a dept to her savior. She now belongs to him.

No wonder relationships are so fucked up.

I prefer honest nonconsent to romantic propaganda.

This is the classic "damsel-in-distress" scenario, and it's pervasive in our culture's storytelling, which reflects our underlying society. Hero, villian, damsel. Villian threatens damsel (often sexually), hero defeats villian and rescues damsel, and damsel rewards hero. Oddly, the hero and damsel are often (perhaps usually) portrayed as being celibate and non-sexual, since our culture views sex in such a negative light. The result is that sexuality becomes associated with villiany.

I tried to tackle this in my novel by inverting the roles. The villian is nonsexual, and the hero and heroine are extremely sexual. More than this, though, it is the heroine who in the end saves the hero, making the tough call that the classic damsel-in-distress story usually assigns to the man. It was an interesting exercise, but I'm sure it'll be drowned out by all the typical love stories where the woman is a prize, because that's what people seem to want to believe about women.

Which is a pity, because I agree that it causes problems in relationships and elsewhere.

 

[cantdog]

The damsel/villain scene goes back at least a thousand years in our culture. I can see very clearly how participating in it can be affirming for anyone socialized to this western civilization.

What you're attempting to mute has been a factor deeply ingrained in the mythology for too long. It goes to the sexual roles here in the west at their most basic.

I can empathize with Angela with a whole heart; I even envy her ability to feel the thrill of fear, which I cannot myself do.

I support her. She has a fulfilling fantasy life and a strong and rich sexual repertoire which is unforced because of its ancient roots. This is much better than the hellfire club s&m stuff, with only a little better than a century and a half, perhaps, of depth.

I was misguided to despise her particular rape fantasy genre, but I did so mostly from ignorance and a crippled awareness of my own culture.

I was physically abused as a child, and I was two years younger than my classmates. Fantasies of violence, to the extent I used to have them, or of fear, always involved elaborate vengeance on all of my tormentors. I am over it now, I like to think, and capable at least intellectually of imagining the fine and strong texture of the script of her passion.

This thread has been a revelation to me, in short. I cannot subscribe to your distaste, except that I know I will never be able to approach it myself.


cantdog

 

[angela146]

Question for Angela: is it your impression that lit. 'nonconsent' is composed solely of those fantasies.?

I haven't even scratched the surface of the NC/Rape section of Literotica so I have no idea.

Frankly, I have no argument for or against the particular lines that Literotica might draw when choosing one story to post and another to reject. In fact, it's Laurel's right to make that decision on purely gut instinct, an instinct she may not be able to explain.

My point was that there are a lot of rape fantasies (including the one I mentioned but also including lots of others) that are not the product of some kind of guilt trip nor are they based on a need to have permission to have sex.

Some rape fantasies have, at their core, a deep level of eroticism from the direct experience of masculine strength.

If you've never had one of those fantasies or never thought about them, you may be missing a huge area of fantasy that is a major turn on for a lot of women.

 

[angela146]

The woman is the prize.

Many men still believe that the woman should be therr 'reward' in the end for being the hero (weather that's going to work everyday or whatever) of there lifestory. Many woman by into that. (The tradgedy of 'romantic' notions)

HIs story is the adventure, and she is the prize, the object to be won (maybe the reason that his suffering and sacrifice is worthwile), hers is the romance. Her reward for being passive and helpless, a victim, is that she is 'rescued'-- but of course for this she owes a dept to her savior. She now belongs to him.

What makes the fantasy so thrilling for me is the fact that it isn't like that in my everyday world. I own my own company. I make more money than my husband (by at least 2 to 1) and I spend much of my time telling men how to run their companies.

In short, I have a lot of raw power and responsibility in my career and I like to sometimes be able to escape from it in my sexual fantasies.

I meet very few men (or women) who are as strong as I am (emotionally and in terms of societal power) and thus I relish the chance to think about someone else dominating me.

 

[angela146]

Oddly, the hero and damsel are often (perhaps usually) portrayed as being celibate and non-sexual, since our culture views sex in such a negative light. The result is that sexuality becomes associated with villiany.

It's usually the other way around. Society views sex as evil, therefore the good characters in a story have to be non-sexual.

Either way, that has nothing to do with the kind of erotic rape fantasies I'm talking about. This is more along the lines of Laurel K. Hamilton's "A Kiss of Shadows" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345423402 The main character is a woman who has a couple of eight foot tall magic wielding men in her entourage.

I tried to tackle this in my novel by inverting the roles. The villian is nonsexual, and the hero and heroine are extremely sexual. More than this, though, it is the heroine who in the end saves the hero, making the tough call that the classic damsel-in-distress story usually assigns to the man.

Although I like the idea of the main characters being sexual, the "heroine saving the hero" thing would be a turn-off. This would be great for a woman who fantasizes about wielding power but I get enough of that in real life.

 

[angela146]

I can empathize with Angela with a whole heart; I even envy her ability to feel the thrill of fear, which I cannot myself do.

I support her. She has a fulfilling fantasy life and a strong and rich sexual repertoire which is unforced because of its ancient roots.

Thank you!

I was physically abused as a child, and I was two years younger than my classmates. Fantasies of violence, to the extent I used to have them, or of fear, always involved elaborate vengeance on all of my tormentors.

I am quite familiar with that kind of childhood, but my fantasies are of rescue and protection, not revenge.

I suppose that's typically female: The idea not of defending oneself but of having a champion to do it and wanting the champion to be powerful.

 

[cantdog]

Well, I wasn't very powerful.

I wrote the fictional midway/beer tent scene:

Dean is exposed

I'll submit it and see what happens.

I doubt "Nancy" was ready for strong man domination. What I watched was grimmer.

cantdog

 

[angela146]

I wrote the fictional midway/beer tent scene ... I doubt "Nancy" was ready for strong man domination. What I watched was grimmer. cantdog

Your story reads very well.

As a rape (or forced oral sex if you prefer) it's too realistic to do me any good as a fantasy. But it's very well written.

I can understand Nancy's actions in not wanting to report the crime but it was clearly a crime.

 

[cantdog]

None of us felt that it was clearly a crime, then. Not in the sense that the legal system would think so, at least; and I believe we were quite right to feel that way.

We universally saw it as an asshole bullying women, a crime in that sense. But we all knew the courts would toss the case and never even decide to prosecute. Not just on its merits, legally, either, but because of the same reasons he thought so. This was 1968. She was wearing a miniskirt the first time they were current. Times have changed.