LordMagicMan
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I have to agree with Bri on this subject. ... I think thats a first...
Why do people do drugs?
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But maybe you should have lost your job. I take it you didn't work at a company with required random drug tests. Our workplace has zero tolerance for drugs/alcohol. Has to be that way- government contracts and OSHA safety rules. The first urine test you pop positive (even just for pot) - you are out the door, don't let it hit your ass on the way out. Drug free means drug free. And that pot that you smoked only on your own time, away from work hours? Forget it- it is still in your system long after you are back on the job.DarlingBri said:
I've seen our company's statistics and I agree with the drug free work environment. Injuries (and death) are far more likely to occur with employees who are under the influence of drugs than those who are clean.
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DB quote:
"If you want to slate all drugs with one fell swoop, then you're close minded, uneducated, and probably a Republican to boot. You proably haven't tried any, either."
But I do want to slate all drugs (includeing alcohol), w/ one fell swoop. And I do not have a closed mind. I am very well educated. I voted for Nader (sigh...). And I used to drink and do "recreational" drugs.
I cannot (IMO), think of a single truely good reason to alter one's conciousness via drugs. I have no trouble making the blanket statement that drugs and alcohol are bad. The argument that one can use drugs for fun makes me wonder why such harmful substances are required for having that fun. The argument that drugs are not bad, addiction is bad just leaves me shaking my head.
We live in an addictive society. Drugs have claimed the best, the brightest, the most artistic of our generations.
"If you want to slate all drugs with one fell swoop, then you're close minded, uneducated, and probably a Republican to boot. You proably haven't tried any, either."
But I do want to slate all drugs (includeing alcohol), w/ one fell swoop. And I do not have a closed mind. I am very well educated. I voted for Nader (sigh...). And I used to drink and do "recreational" drugs.
I cannot (IMO), think of a single truely good reason to alter one's conciousness via drugs. I have no trouble making the blanket statement that drugs and alcohol are bad. The argument that one can use drugs for fun makes me wonder why such harmful substances are required for having that fun. The argument that drugs are not bad, addiction is bad just leaves me shaking my head.
We live in an addictive society. Drugs have claimed the best, the brightest, the most artistic of our generations.
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my opinion
Drugs will often act as a depressant, suppressing the tensions of a strenuous day or relieving the mind of unwanted baggage. People are too up tight or too irresponsible-using drugs without employing moderation. There are extremes in every situation. Drugs aren't being abused just because people don't know the effects and think only of the probabilities. When I was using, I saw friends take so many hits of acid or too much K that they became completely incoherent and had to go to the hospital. The next I saw them, it was obvious a change had taken place. Everyone knew why. I have almost died three times, be it falling down a fight of stairs when a huge wooden bookcase at the landing would have snapped my neck, or by overdose. I didn't care about the consequences. Drug use was weighed between what was then a depressing life or a step into nothingness, where nothing was felt, only experienced. It wasn't until I realized that I was dependent, that I gave it a second thought. Drugs were a means of escape, as much as alcohol. Unlike drugs taken to ease pain, they were taken to suppress emotions. They were more than a means of slipping through the shackles of every day life, be it stresses or depression, they allowed me to step into oblivion.
Even those who use it to relax use it as a tool. There is no line. When you use it on a Friday night to while away the time, you still USE it. If you can have fun without it, why use it? If you can't, then you know that you've been snared. The bottom line is that drugs do all the things we either cannot, or will not do for our selves. They are a means of escaping both reality and responsibility.
..just my thoughts based on my experiences
Drugs will often act as a depressant, suppressing the tensions of a strenuous day or relieving the mind of unwanted baggage. People are too up tight or too irresponsible-using drugs without employing moderation. There are extremes in every situation. Drugs aren't being abused just because people don't know the effects and think only of the probabilities. When I was using, I saw friends take so many hits of acid or too much K that they became completely incoherent and had to go to the hospital. The next I saw them, it was obvious a change had taken place. Everyone knew why. I have almost died three times, be it falling down a fight of stairs when a huge wooden bookcase at the landing would have snapped my neck, or by overdose. I didn't care about the consequences. Drug use was weighed between what was then a depressing life or a step into nothingness, where nothing was felt, only experienced. It wasn't until I realized that I was dependent, that I gave it a second thought. Drugs were a means of escape, as much as alcohol. Unlike drugs taken to ease pain, they were taken to suppress emotions. They were more than a means of slipping through the shackles of every day life, be it stresses or depression, they allowed me to step into oblivion.
Even those who use it to relax use it as a tool. There is no line. When you use it on a Friday night to while away the time, you still USE it. If you can have fun without it, why use it? If you can't, then you know that you've been snared. The bottom line is that drugs do all the things we either cannot, or will not do for our selves. They are a means of escaping both reality and responsibility.
..just my thoughts based on my experiences
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Re: DB quote:
1) They are not all harmful. Go educate yourself.
2) Because, frankly, it is NOT POSSIBLE to experience the mouth exploding, taste-sensation-to-the-nth-degree phenomena that biting a grape on acid gives you, unless you are dropping acid.
Drugs are required for that particular fun experience.
Persephone said:
1) They are not all harmful. Go educate yourself.
2) Because, frankly, it is NOT POSSIBLE to experience the mouth exploding, taste-sensation-to-the-nth-degree phenomena that biting a grape on acid gives you, unless you are dropping acid.
Drugs are required for that particular fun experience.
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Why don't you educate me, then:
What drug do you consider harmless?
In my ignorance I can't come up with any.
What drug do you consider harmless?
In my ignorance I can't come up with any.
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Cheyenne said:
No shit, Cheyenne. This is where your brain is supposed to come in. If you can't chuck the gear for a job you want, you have a problem. Deal with it, because your life is fucked up.
If you want to operate anything that can kill you or anyone else while under the influence, you're a moron and our communal gene pool is better off without you.
[Edited by DarlingBri on 04-21-2001 at 11:19 AM]
There are many 'drugs' which carry health warnings regarding non-use in the work place (e.g. operating machinery etc). That's why drug users eat cold turkey (even though they apparently don't like it), because they aren't allowed to operate cooking equipment. I thought that was obvious.
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I can't believe I've become the antichrist of a drug free America
Pot
Hash
Speed in moderation from a clean supplier
E in single doses from a clean supplier
Mushrooms, from the ultimate supplier, AKA God
Prove to me that these drugs cause more drugs per user annually than alcohol, and I'll conceed victory.
Persephone said:
Pot
Hash
Speed in moderation from a clean supplier
E in single doses from a clean supplier
Mushrooms, from the ultimate supplier, AKA God
Prove to me that these drugs cause more drugs per user annually than alcohol, and I'll conceed victory.
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I think this.......
That no matter what you may think about drugs: you can think people are weak - psychologically ill - escapist - addictive personalities - whatever, what ever you may think.........
It's quite irrelative - unless you have some first hand experience.
For simplicities sake - let's example flying for instance - flying as a passenger in a commercial airliner. Some folks simply won't. And of those who won't - many think those who do fly - are wrong to fly. "Hey, they're nuts, you ain't getting me up in no plane! I'm smarter'n that. Dumb ass fliers."
This overly simple example could of course be stretched to a near infinite number of "things people do, or things people don't do," and how others, knowledgable or not, on the "thing" (the subject) - think about it. And they'll shoot their mouthes off about it - and that's fine - that's normal - everybody's got a right to voice an opinion - "regardless of any knowledge or ignorance on a given subject."
But (but again) surely the logical, wisdom - would indicate and proove to be beneficial, regarding "knowing about something" - that "trying it" - or doing it - provides experience from which to base a more accurate knowledge of any given subject.
Those who live with apes - know apes better than those who don't. Those who have done drugs - know more about them than those who have not.
So, that said - the simplicity of some of your statements - seemingly blanket statements like - "people do drugs to escape" - amaze me with huge amounts of judgmentally fueled ignorance - an I would guess, ignorance born by "not doing."
I'm surely not suggesting that everybody should try drugs - I'm simply suggesting that if you have "never tried them" - you probably have little experience as to "why some people choose to do them."
Which is a far more complex matter than the simple suggestions most of you make here.
That no matter what you may think about drugs: you can think people are weak - psychologically ill - escapist - addictive personalities - whatever, what ever you may think.........
It's quite irrelative - unless you have some first hand experience.
For simplicities sake - let's example flying for instance - flying as a passenger in a commercial airliner. Some folks simply won't. And of those who won't - many think those who do fly - are wrong to fly. "Hey, they're nuts, you ain't getting me up in no plane! I'm smarter'n that. Dumb ass fliers."
This overly simple example could of course be stretched to a near infinite number of "things people do, or things people don't do," and how others, knowledgable or not, on the "thing" (the subject) - think about it. And they'll shoot their mouthes off about it - and that's fine - that's normal - everybody's got a right to voice an opinion - "regardless of any knowledge or ignorance on a given subject."
But (but again) surely the logical, wisdom - would indicate and proove to be beneficial, regarding "knowing about something" - that "trying it" - or doing it - provides experience from which to base a more accurate knowledge of any given subject.
Those who live with apes - know apes better than those who don't. Those who have done drugs - know more about them than those who have not.
So, that said - the simplicity of some of your statements - seemingly blanket statements like - "people do drugs to escape" - amaze me with huge amounts of judgmentally fueled ignorance - an I would guess, ignorance born by "not doing."
I'm surely not suggesting that everybody should try drugs - I'm simply suggesting that if you have "never tried them" - you probably have little experience as to "why some people choose to do them."
Which is a far more complex matter than the simple suggestions most of you make here.
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Ally C said:
Very funny, Ally
For those too dense to get Ally's joke (and God help me, there are many) I would just like to state once again for the record that I have never been an IV drug user.
That's not recreational the way I've defined it.
Re: I can't believe I've become the antichrist of a drug free America
I read somewhere that there are frogs (or was it toads) that when licked get you high. Honestly!
God as drug dealer ought to give this thread an added twist. Think I'll light up now and watch the show.
DarlingBri said:
I read somewhere that there are frogs (or was it toads) that when licked get you high. Honestly!
God as drug dealer ought to give this thread an added twist. Think I'll light up now and watch the show.
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Ally, sweets, I really dig ya. But not enough to get on my knees for you. That's a no fly zone
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DarlingBri...
Quote:
Pot
Hash
Speed in moderation from a clean supplier
E in single doses from a clean supplier
Mushrooms, from the ultimate supplier, AKA God
Prove to me that these drugs cause more drugs per user annually than alcohol, and I'll conceed victory.
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Hon, I'm not going to take THAT argument! Shit, I agree that alcohol is a worse drug than those others! My contention is that each and every drug, whether it be alcohol or toad toxin, is BAD BAD BAD and we shouldn't oughta be using them! Hell, maybe to you biting grapes on acid was more fun than biting grapes while not on acid, but look at the evidence of the brain cell it killed: "...that these drugs cause more drugs per user..."
Persephone
Quote:
Pot
Hash
Speed in moderation from a clean supplier
E in single doses from a clean supplier
Mushrooms, from the ultimate supplier, AKA God
Prove to me that these drugs cause more drugs per user annually than alcohol, and I'll conceed victory.
__________________
Hon, I'm not going to take THAT argument! Shit, I agree that alcohol is a worse drug than those others! My contention is that each and every drug, whether it be alcohol or toad toxin, is BAD BAD BAD and we shouldn't oughta be using them! Hell, maybe to you biting grapes on acid was more fun than biting grapes while not on acid, but look at the evidence of the brain cell it killed: "...that these drugs cause more drugs per user..."
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Did someone mentions Acid?????
I would certainly not suggest it for everybody. In fack, very few can do it and handle it. I for one think that those who can handle it (and yes I am one) are special - especially together - heads on straight.
If your head is not on straight - YOU WILL - fuck up on it.
And - if you are one of the few who can handle it - it can provide you with some of the most fantastic times of your life. Fantastic visions. Fantastic creative enlightenment.
And only available for those who can deal with it.
I would not trade my experience with that drug for anything - it's proven very valuable in my life - it has aided tremendously in my professionaly life, to the extent - that me, a non-diplomaed, self-taught, extreme individual - has actually "made it" - within the conservative world of Fortune 500 companies.
Why? Because they think I'm a genius - and I'm not - I'm just a smart dude who took acid a few times and learned from it. Nothing more, nothing less. And they're so fucking straight - they don't get it.
I would certainly not suggest it for everybody. In fack, very few can do it and handle it. I for one think that those who can handle it (and yes I am one) are special - especially together - heads on straight.
If your head is not on straight - YOU WILL - fuck up on it.
And - if you are one of the few who can handle it - it can provide you with some of the most fantastic times of your life. Fantastic visions. Fantastic creative enlightenment.
And only available for those who can deal with it.
I would not trade my experience with that drug for anything - it's proven very valuable in my life - it has aided tremendously in my professionaly life, to the extent - that me, a non-diplomaed, self-taught, extreme individual - has actually "made it" - within the conservative world of Fortune 500 companies.
Why? Because they think I'm a genius - and I'm not - I'm just a smart dude who took acid a few times and learned from it. Nothing more, nothing less. And they're so fucking straight - they don't get it.
Re: DarlingBri...
Who says? Who says? Who says?
Seriously though, if people want to put all sorts of shit in their bodies, I don't mind. I wasn't put on this planet to rid the world of 'drugs'. I was put here to live for a fleeting moment and then turn to dust. A bit like a joint really. Hi, I'm Ally, fly me.
Persephone said:
Who says? Who says? Who says?
Seriously though, if people want to put all sorts of shit in their bodies, I don't mind. I wasn't put on this planet to rid the world of 'drugs'. I was put here to live for a fleeting moment and then turn to dust. A bit like a joint really. Hi, I'm Ally, fly me.
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Re: DarlingBri...
My spelling has sucked through this entire thread. That's because I'm sitting here feeling extremely pissed off over this topic. My posts are normally carefully considered, spellchecked, and edited for typos. Most people here can tell you I'm a very serious stickler for spelling, grammar, and punctuation. I'm also not impervious to stress, and at the moment, I'm too pissed off to care about my spelling.
Your point is just lame. Find another.
To bite a grape on acid it to experience the tao of grapes.
Persephone said:
My spelling has sucked through this entire thread. That's because I'm sitting here feeling extremely pissed off over this topic. My posts are normally carefully considered, spellchecked, and edited for typos. Most people here can tell you I'm a very serious stickler for spelling, grammar, and punctuation. I'm also not impervious to stress, and at the moment, I'm too pissed off to care about my spelling.
Your point is just lame. Find another.
To bite a grape on acid it to experience the tao of grapes.
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Re: Did someone mentions Acid?????
Here here, Sparky.
LSD is an excellent example of people making responsible choices about drugs. It is not for everyone by far. Most people should be smart enough to realise it's not for them after they learn something about it.
People who are still interested in taking LSD need to educate themselves. They then need to then equip themselves with the right people, place, and perceptions. And two valium just in case.
But if you don't know that, you can get yourself into serious trouble.
Sparky Kronkite said:
Here here, Sparky.
LSD is an excellent example of people making responsible choices about drugs. It is not for everyone by far. Most people should be smart enough to realise it's not for them after they learn something about it.
People who are still interested in taking LSD need to educate themselves. They then need to then equip themselves with the right people, place, and perceptions. And two valium just in case.
But if you don't know that, you can get yourself into serious trouble.
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Why are you so pissed
that you are letting it effect your habitually precise spelling and punctuation? Why in the world does this make you so defensive?
My point is my opinion and I stand by it and contest that it is not lame.
I am also slightly interested in why you would call it lame?
Persephone
that you are letting it effect your habitually precise spelling and punctuation? Why in the world does this make you so defensive?
My point is my opinion and I stand by it and contest that it is not lame.
I am also slightly interested in why you would call it lame?
Persephone
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Because closed minded people piss me off.
And your point is lame because we're having a general debate about the pro's and con's of drug use. You feel the need to use my spelling errors as evidence that drug use causes brain cell death, and you can't see why that's lame?
And your point is lame because we're having a general debate about the pro's and con's of drug use. You feel the need to use my spelling errors as evidence that drug use causes brain cell death, and you can't see why that's lame?
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