Why do people vote Republican?
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no...but wow
No, I'm not a Wyly... but I know some of them. Sam, actually. The Wyly brothers went to the same university I went to as an undergraduate. The library there was donated by them and is named after them.
How do you know the Wyly's?
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No, I'm not a Wyly... but I know some of them. Sam, actually. The Wyly brothers went to the same university I went to as an undergraduate. The library there was donated by them and is named after them.
How do you know the Wyly's?
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The Wyly's are my mother's family...but us and the Texas branch got separated sometime around, oh, the Civil War. A couple of us didn't wimp out half way across the country and made it all the way to California. 
They always send us family reunion letters, and we never go. We're afraid of them. They're Republicans.
They always send us family reunion letters, and we never go. We're afraid of them. They're Republicans.
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hahahahahaa...
You shouldn't be afraid of them.... they are good people. I live near Houston now, but when I lived in Dallas, I saw Sam fairly often.
Some Democrat is now going to ask if we were members of the same country club... the answer is NO.... Sam doesn't play golf.
Sam Wyly is fairly active in the Texas Republican Party, and I still see him a couple of times each year at functions.
I repeat, even Republicans can be good decent and warm friendly people.
You shouldn't be afraid of them.... they are good people. I live near Houston now, but when I lived in Dallas, I saw Sam fairly often.
Some Democrat is now going to ask if we were members of the same country club... the answer is NO.... Sam doesn't play golf.
Sam Wyly is fairly active in the Texas Republican Party, and I still see him a couple of times each year at functions.
I repeat, even Republicans can be good decent and warm friendly people.
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Now, this is just out of curiousity (I can't believe I'm learning about my roots from some guy I've never met ) but do you happen to know if they are Catholic? 'Cause the Wyly's over here (the three or four that are left) are Catholic, apparently by tradition. But the letters we get from them sound, oh I don't know, Protestant. Jesus the savior loves you written in the margins and all that.
I know, this is a weird question. Feel free to ignore me.
) but do you happen to know if they are Catholic? 'Cause the Wyly's over here (the three or four that are left) are Catholic, apparently by tradition. But the letters we get from them sound, oh I don't know, Protestant. Jesus the savior loves you written in the margins and all that.I know, this is a weird question. Feel free to ignore me.
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I'm trying to remember
I'm pretty sure Sam's family isn't Catholic. I have only seen him in church a few times, and that was at funerals. I remember that he made a fairly large donation to Temple Baptist Church in Ruston, Louisiana (where we went to college) for their new building. Sam and his brother ( I can't remember his name) were older than me, and we weren't in college at the same time.
That's the best I can do to help you with your "roots". I suppose you realize that you have some VERY wealthy cousins in Texas.
I'm pretty sure Sam's family isn't Catholic. I have only seen him in church a few times, and that was at funerals. I remember that he made a fairly large donation to Temple Baptist Church in Ruston, Louisiana (where we went to college) for their new building. Sam and his brother ( I can't remember his name) were older than me, and we weren't in college at the same time.
That's the best I can do to help you with your "roots". I suppose you realize that you have some VERY wealthy cousins in Texas.
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thanks for replying...
...as I thought there is very little difference between the Republicans and the Conservatives.
Kymberley and unusuallyconfused What I read into your replies is that you imagine all people on benerfit vote Democrat and that all hard working people vote Republican.
Texan From your reply it is obvious that you as a Republican see the broader picture. You look at the national policies of a Party, defence, de-centralisation of Government, the free market economy as whether or not to vote for it. And like most of us some things you like and some you don't.
Uncle Bill Your comment about personal integrity and pride in ones self pre-supposes that only Republicans have those values.
Ordinary Bob I understand that the passing of years can bring changes to party philosophy and what was once acceptable no longer is.
NOW
What if (and I hope it never does) both Kymberly and unusually confused can no longer work. What would be your alternatives? How would voting Republican now help you in the future?
Texan. If de-centralisation is a one of the mainstays of the Republican Government doesn't this mean that you can have a situation where, for instance, a policy can be law in one state and not in another. How does that help the ordinary citizen?
The free market. Apart from the obvious that a free market helps build competition (which in the long run can lead to higher prices and the formation of monoplies), helps bring down prices and allows everyone to stand on their own two feet (sometimes). How does it help the person who just wants to know what his outgoing bills are and does not want major changes in his finances or general lifestyle.
From all those replies this two paragraph synopsis is all I can spot as to how voting Republican actually affects Americans.
I haven't included defence or anything which does not have an immediate effect on peoples' lives, because that is not personal enough.
So unless I've made an error somewhere in looking at your replies the above are the major differences between the two parties. It doesn't seem much of a difference to me.
And I still can't see why Republicans vote the way they do when that party's policies (at least the ones I've listed) bear little resemblance to the way most of you would like to live - as quietly as possible.
...as I thought there is very little difference between the Republicans and the Conservatives.
Kymberley and unusuallyconfused What I read into your replies is that you imagine all people on benerfit vote Democrat and that all hard working people vote Republican.
Texan From your reply it is obvious that you as a Republican see the broader picture. You look at the national policies of a Party, defence, de-centralisation of Government, the free market economy as whether or not to vote for it. And like most of us some things you like and some you don't.
Uncle Bill Your comment about personal integrity and pride in ones self pre-supposes that only Republicans have those values.
Ordinary Bob I understand that the passing of years can bring changes to party philosophy and what was once acceptable no longer is.
NOW
What if (and I hope it never does) both Kymberly and unusually confused can no longer work. What would be your alternatives? How would voting Republican now help you in the future?
Texan. If de-centralisation is a one of the mainstays of the Republican Government doesn't this mean that you can have a situation where, for instance, a policy can be law in one state and not in another. How does that help the ordinary citizen?
The free market. Apart from the obvious that a free market helps build competition (which in the long run can lead to higher prices and the formation of monoplies), helps bring down prices and allows everyone to stand on their own two feet (sometimes). How does it help the person who just wants to know what his outgoing bills are and does not want major changes in his finances or general lifestyle.
From all those replies this two paragraph synopsis is all I can spot as to how voting Republican actually affects Americans.
I haven't included defence or anything which does not have an immediate effect on peoples' lives, because that is not personal enough.
So unless I've made an error somewhere in looking at your replies the above are the major differences between the two parties. It doesn't seem much of a difference to me.
And I still can't see why Republicans vote the way they do when that party's policies (at least the ones I've listed) bear little resemblance to the way most of you would like to live - as quietly as possible.
Let me begin by saying I'm impressed with the way you have taken sets of facts and mingled them to suit your propaganda. Nicely done. You could be a speech writer for Clinton with style like this!
Those with whom you ally yourself reveals much about your character, ofttimes more than you'd like revealed.
This misconception which you reference is actually quite an accurate representation of fact. The stereotype lives on because the Democrats continue to act in a totalitarian Fascist manner. They seek more legislation to confiscate more of people's earnings and more regulations to dictate virtually every aspect of people's private lives, i. e., economic, language, etc. It is the "Liberals" who are the most loudly lauding and touting the benefits of "Politically Correct" speech. It is they who are the champions of "Hate Crimes" by which you punish the criminal not for his act but for his thought!
Those with whom you ally yourself reveals much about your character, ofttimes more than you'd like revealed.
Re: thanks for replying...
I am truly astounded that you could draw that inference from my statement. It is a generic truth that applies to humanity at large without regard for political, ethnic, racial, religious or other particulars of people's makeup. Integrity, honor, character, perseverance, ability, skills, knowledge, capacity to learn, et al, vary widely over the whole of humanity. None of these traits are unique to a particular political orientation and how one could make such an enormous leap to that association genuinely leaves me puzzled, nay baffled.
It's truly an amazing leap to get that a general interpretation of Kymberly's specifics could be interpreted as applying to people of only a specific political party.p_p_man said:
I am truly astounded that you could draw that inference from my statement. It is a generic truth that applies to humanity at large without regard for political, ethnic, racial, religious or other particulars of people's makeup. Integrity, honor, character, perseverance, ability, skills, knowledge, capacity to learn, et al, vary widely over the whole of humanity. None of these traits are unique to a particular political orientation and how one could make such an enormous leap to that association genuinely leaves me puzzled, nay baffled.
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Let me try to answer your questions. I hope they were not intended to be rhetorical questions.
NOW
What if (and I hope it never does) both Kymberly and unusually confused can no longer work. What would be your alternatives? How would voting Republican now help you in the future?
As employees of a company (or the responsible self-emplyed), many of us pay, out of our pockets each month, for private insurance against long-term disability. Also, from each paycheck, the government withholds an amount for "unemployment insurance". In addition to this, the U.S. Social Security system (which contrary to Vic's assertions, Republicans want to preserve) withholds money from each paycheck for disability benefits, as well as, retirement benefits. I see these programs as part of the necessary safety net to prevent poverty and hunger. My arguement is not to disolve these programs, but rather to limit them to an affordable level.
Texan. If de-centralisation is a one of the mainstays of the Republican Government doesn't this mean that you can have a situation where, for instance, a policy can be law in one state and not in another. How does that help the ordinary citizen?
It is possible that each state could have different laws.... that is the case now. Federal laws supercede state laws when there is a conflict. It is not the process of making laws that Republicans want de-centralized, but rather the administration of government programs. The desire is to limit the bureaucracy and move the implementation decisions to a place closer to the need.
The free market. Apart from the obvious that a free market helps build competition (which in the long run can lead to higher prices and the formation of monoplies), helps bring down prices and allows everyone to stand on their own two feet (sometimes). How does it help the person who just wants to know what his outgoing bills are and does not want major changes in his finances or general lifestyle.
Most conservatives (Republicans) have no arguement with sane anti-trust laws to prevent monopolies that stifle competition. A free market tends to stimulate competition which, as you said, tends to lower prices and stimulate an economy. This also provides jobs which then increase the overall tax base of a nation.
You asked the fair question: "Why would the everyday citizen on the street want to vote Republican?"
It is true that in this country, the people who make more money and therefore pay more into the system, tend to vote Republican; while the people who are on the receiving end of the government pay system tend to vote Democrat. The largest voting blocks for the Democratic Party are ethnic minorities and unions. The largest unions in this country are made up of government employees. The teachers unions (government employees) are a very powerful voting block for the Democratic Party. IMHO, the teachers unions are using the political process to protect "tenure" (their jobs) at the expense of our educational process, which has been described on this board as being woefully inadequate.
damn... this is long.... I didn't mean for that to happen.
Let me try to answer your questions. I hope they were not intended to be rhetorical questions.
NOW
What if (and I hope it never does) both Kymberly and unusually confused can no longer work. What would be your alternatives? How would voting Republican now help you in the future?
As employees of a company (or the responsible self-emplyed), many of us pay, out of our pockets each month, for private insurance against long-term disability. Also, from each paycheck, the government withholds an amount for "unemployment insurance". In addition to this, the U.S. Social Security system (which contrary to Vic's assertions, Republicans want to preserve) withholds money from each paycheck for disability benefits, as well as, retirement benefits. I see these programs as part of the necessary safety net to prevent poverty and hunger. My arguement is not to disolve these programs, but rather to limit them to an affordable level.
Texan. If de-centralisation is a one of the mainstays of the Republican Government doesn't this mean that you can have a situation where, for instance, a policy can be law in one state and not in another. How does that help the ordinary citizen?
It is possible that each state could have different laws.... that is the case now. Federal laws supercede state laws when there is a conflict. It is not the process of making laws that Republicans want de-centralized, but rather the administration of government programs. The desire is to limit the bureaucracy and move the implementation decisions to a place closer to the need.
The free market. Apart from the obvious that a free market helps build competition (which in the long run can lead to higher prices and the formation of monoplies), helps bring down prices and allows everyone to stand on their own two feet (sometimes). How does it help the person who just wants to know what his outgoing bills are and does not want major changes in his finances or general lifestyle.
Most conservatives (Republicans) have no arguement with sane anti-trust laws to prevent monopolies that stifle competition. A free market tends to stimulate competition which, as you said, tends to lower prices and stimulate an economy. This also provides jobs which then increase the overall tax base of a nation.
You asked the fair question: "Why would the everyday citizen on the street want to vote Republican?"
It is true that in this country, the people who make more money and therefore pay more into the system, tend to vote Republican; while the people who are on the receiving end of the government pay system tend to vote Democrat. The largest voting blocks for the Democratic Party are ethnic minorities and unions. The largest unions in this country are made up of government employees. The teachers unions (government employees) are a very powerful voting block for the Democratic Party. IMHO, the teachers unions are using the political process to protect "tenure" (their jobs) at the expense of our educational process, which has been described on this board as being woefully inadequate.
damn... this is long.... I didn't mean for that to happen.
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Uncle Bill...
...as you were clarifying Kymberlie's comments and as the question quite specifically asks why people vote Republican I can only assume that "personal integrity" and "pride in one's self" (your words) are virtues that you and Kimberlie think only Republicans have.
...as you were clarifying Kymberlie's comments and as the question quite specifically asks why people vote Republican I can only assume that "personal integrity" and "pride in one's self" (your words) are virtues that you and Kimberlie think only Republicans have.
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That's an interesting statement. Do you have any statistics to back that up, or is it just your personal opinion that all ethnic minorities are on the dole? That reeks of racism. Show me statistics from a nonpartisan source regarding the incomes of those in both parties and maybe I'll believe that your view is based in fact and not in prejudice.
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That's an interesting statement. Do you have any statistics to back that up, or is it just your personal opinion that all ethnic minorities are on the dole? That reeks of racism. Show me statistics from a nonpartisan source regarding the incomes of those in both parties and maybe I'll believe that your view is based in fact and not in prejudice.
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lavender, I agree with what you said, for the most part. The difference is, I see those on the far right and on the far left as being the "radicals" of each party. I think the "core beliefs" are defined by the majority.... not the radicals. The core beliefs of each party are still different. But the candidates being elected by both parties are becoming closer and closer to the center. Bill Clinton became popular by moving to the center. Bush was elected because he is near the center. The last time this country truely had a choice between the radical sides of each party was when Johnson beat Goldwater. And yes, I'm old enough to remember that.
I am not a "single-issue" voter. Many radicals in each party are. Whether it's the abortion issue or civil rights, many people define their party affiliation by one issue. That could be the case in England also.
I actually do believe that party affiliation and ideology is somewhat defined by age. I was in favor of Kennedy and Johnson. I only became conservative as I grew older and begin to pay attention to what the government was doing with all the money that came out of my paycheck. I clearly remember the shame and embarrassment this country felt under Jimmy Carter, and I remember the pride we felt under Reagan's leadership.
p_p_man, just as I wouldn't expect you to accept my definition of Democrats, I wouldn't expect you to accept a liberals definition of Republicans.
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Re: Re: reply to p_p_man
Vic, according to CNN during the last presidential election, more than 90% of African Americans voted for the Democratic candidate for president. Even a blind man hiding under a rock in a dark room knows that party affiliation is statistically divided upon ethnic and economic lines.....
and lavender, that's national..... not just here in Texas....
of course, the Hollywood illuminati are the exception to this.....
Vic Victorious said:
Vic, according to CNN during the last presidential election, more than 90% of African Americans voted for the Democratic candidate for president. Even a blind man hiding under a rock in a dark room knows that party affiliation is statistically divided upon ethnic and economic lines.....
and lavender, that's national..... not just here in Texas....
of course, the Hollywood illuminati are the exception to this.....
