Will Obama issue and executive order to "forgive" all student debt?

[BotanyBoy]

And the jobs you mention are nearly all credentialed/accredited/licensed whatever their profession chooses to call it with the possible exception of mechanic. Not sure there.

A test n' licencing isn't the same as a degree...not even close.

And mechanics have them too...ASE Certs. If you want to make money as a automotive repair technician.

'Mechanic' is regressive and derogatory toward the blue collared.

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Nobody was tricked but the prices are still completely rediculous.

Well with liburhulz handing out student loans to any and all 100% gubbmint gurrunteed why would any of them charge less than the max?

 

[snugglestruggle]

"Did you try turning your computer off and rebooting?"

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[abelle]

YES!!!!

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[Lord Pmann]

I shouldn't be able to show you a person with a degree PERIOD who is unemployed. Not a well paying job, but a job period. If your degree is in basketweaving you should have no problem finding a job and if you do the system is broken.

I would qualify apprenticeship as school in all but the most formal manner. On that point I'm not disagreeing with you mind you.

The prices in that case are high because prestige matters and why not go somewhere else, because you get paid less if you go someplace else. Prestige matters, also who you know matters and you don't meet future presidents (not that she's old enough to know Obama nor am I but 6 presidents have come out of that place and 4 VPs.

If people stopped going to Harvard they wouldn't make money, it's the same attitude as that email that goes around everytime gas prices go up about if we boycott so and so gas prices all gas will go down as the market takes hold. If you want the big bucks you pay the big bucks, that's how it works.

Why shouldn't you be able to show me a person with a degree who is unemployed? What about a degree in basket weaving makes you employable? That's a serious question. If someone applied for a job at a company where I worked and they had a degree in basket weaving versus someone who went and worked fixing cars, I would pick the latter. It shows they understand value.

Please explain why the system is broken if a basket weaver can't find a job. If there are 100 basket weaving jobs and 150 basket weavers exist, how an you say they should have a job? What about them having a degree makes them automatically worthy of a job?

You just explained exactly why Harvard Law is so expensive. Why wouldn't they be able to charge that? They produce presidents. Why would they be the same price as other schools.

It's not the same as the gas email. The gas email doesn't make sense because the same amount of gas is needed. We can't really boycott gas. Harvard is one school of many. You can go to many other schools other than Harvard. The gas email offers no alternative.

 

[Lord Pmann]

A test n' licencing isn't the same as a degree...not even close.

And mechanics have them too...ASE Certs. If you want to make money as a automotive repair technician.

'Mechanic' is regressive and derogatory toward the blue collared.

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Well with liburhulz handing out student loans to any and all 100% gubbmint gurrunteed why would any of them charge less than the max?

PC Principal!!!

 

[AlexVega]

What do you do, Jen?

Man you are a little unstable. Have you visited a shrink yet? Be curious to hear which meds you are on.

 

[BotanyBoy]

PC Principal!!!

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[Lord Pmann]

^^^
PC Principal loves to crush some pussy.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well with liburhulz handing out student loans to any and all 100% gubbmint gurrunteed why would any of them charge less than the max?

Not arguing that.

Why shouldn't you be able to show me a person with a degree who is unemployed? What about a degree in basket weaving makes you employable? That's a serious question. If someone applied for a job at a company where I worked and they had a degree in basket weaving versus someone who went and worked fixing cars, I would pick the latter. It shows they understand value.

Please explain why the system is broken if a basket weaver can't find a job. If there are 100 basket weaving jobs and 150 basket weavers exist, how an you say they should have a job? What about them having a degree makes them automatically worthy of a job?

You just explained exactly why Harvard Law is so expensive. Why wouldn't they be able to charge that? They produce presidents. Why would they be the same price as other schools.

It's not the same as the gas email. The gas email doesn't make sense because the same amount of gas is needed. We can't really boycott gas. Harvard is one school of many. You can go to many other schools other than Harvard. The gas email offers no alternative.

That you put in the work to be educated. If putting in that kind of work doesn't get you a job then the system is broke and in need of serious fixing.

I didn't say they should be the same price, I said the prices are out of control.

You can't boycott education either. It's the exact same problem.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Not arguing that.



That you put in the work to be educated. If putting in that kind of work doesn't get you a job then the system is broke and in need of serious fixing.

I didn't say they should be the same price, I said the prices are out of control.

You can't boycott education either. It's the exact same problem.

Why does education in something useless mean anything. I could get my doctorate in unicorns or Bigfoot studies. How does it make me employable? You seem to misunderstand what makes a person marketable. A useless education doesn't. Knowledge about useless stuff doesn't mean anything.

How do you propose making jobs for people who have a skill in basket weaving? Make more baskets, even though no one wants them? Subsidize them with tax money so they'll feel they contribute???

I didn't suggest boycotting education. I suggested boycotting Harvard. Gasoline, in the example you gave, is a zero sum game. There is only gasoline. Your car doesn't run on anything else. With education, Harvard isn't the only law school. Not a valid comparison.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not arguing that.

And just for the record I'm not arguing against funding education.....notice we don't have a student debt, nor a quality education/graduate crisis for that matter, coming out of our military academies.

I'm all for paying for education....but I am absolutely against the current state/private schools, federal funding or federally backed banking circle jerk currently in place.

We can and should do better......because scummy.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There is only gasoline. Your car doesn't run on anything else.

It most certainly does.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why does education in something useless mean anything. I could get my doctorate in unicorns or Bigfoot studies. How does it make me employable? You seem to misunderstand what makes a person marketable. A useless education doesn't. Knowledge about useless stuff doesn't mean anything.

How do you propose making jobs for people who have a skill in basket weaving? Make more baskets, even though no one wants them? Subsidize them with tax money so they'll feel they contribute???

I didn't suggest boycotting education. I suggested boycotting Harvard. Gasoline, in the example you gave, is a zero sum game. There is only gasoline. Your car doesn't run on anything else. With education, Harvard isn't the only law school. Not a valid comparison.

It's shows that you are a hard worker and dedicated to something.

When you tell me what McDonalds does with physics I'll answer your equally stupid question.

My car could run on fry grease if I gave enough of a shit. Harvard is the brand name in a world where brand names matter. And education is pretty much the same. And the bottom line is we would starve before they would.

And just for the record I'm not arguing against funding education.....notice we don't have a student debt, nor a quality education/graduate crisis for that matter, coming out of our military academies.

I'm all for paying for education....but I am absolutely against the current state/private schools, federal funding or federally backed banking circle jerk currently in place.

We can and should do better......because scummy.

I agree, the system is fucked up.

 

[miles]

This thread has proven that our educational system has turned out some profoundly stupid people who have zero critical thinking skills.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This thread has proven that our educational system has turned out some profoundly stupid people who have zero critical thinking skills.

Yeah. By now, anyone with half a brain would realize that this is Jen pretending to be a man, unless, of course, Jen was Paul all along...

 

[Lord Pmann]

It most certainly does.

I didn't say yours. But the point is, boycotting gas doesn't work. At all. Because nearly every vehicle runs on gas. Some are hybrid. But even those use Gas. Few are electric. Very few.

It's shows that you are a hard worker and dedicated to something.

When you tell me what McDonalds does with physics I'll answer your equally stupid question.

My car could run on fry grease if I gave enough of a shit. Harvard is the brand name in a world where brand names matter. And education is pretty much the same. And the bottom line is we would starve before they would.

Getting a degree in women's studies or basket weaving shows you are a hard worker? How does it show that? By your logic, everyone with a degree is a hard worker. I assure you, that's certainly not the case. I also assure you that some degrees are easy to get. That's why everyone gets them. Do you know why a shitload of people have psychology degrees or communications degrees? Because they are easy. Do you have a degree? Do you really think that degrees show that you work hard? Have you met any of these recent college grads lately?

What if I sit and got educated on how to play the bagpipes. I became a master bagpipe player. Should I be given a job because of this? I worked hard. I got an education in something.

But again, you didn't answer my question about the jobs for these basket weavers. If there are 500 of these jobs and there are 1000 grads, why should they get a job? Where does that job come from? If you ignore every other comment or question, answer that.

You have this misconception that getting a degree in anything means something. It doesn't. Anthropology majors are likely unemployable. Why? Because who the fuck knows a job that requires anthropology? I've never met a single person in any occupation that could possibly use that for the betterment of their career. But you think because they went and got that piece of paper, they deserve a job. Even if they spent their time learning something completely useless in every day life.

I don't know what you mean about McDonald's having something to do with physics. Did I say something about McDonald's and physics that I forgot???

Okay, your car could run in fry grease. But it doesn't. And that is irrelevant. It runs on gas as do nearly all cars on the road. Soooooooo, don't say fry grease could run your car because it's not relevant.

The reason we would starve before Harvard is because people want that Harvard education and there is that demand. So, your sister and Obama took a risk when they bought a $300k education. It paid off for Obama. Maybe it didn't pay off for your sister. Maybe it did. Maybe it will soon. But the point is, she had a choice to go to a less expensive school. She chose one of the most expensive schools in the nation. She has to live with the blessings or the consequences.

 

[Sean Renaud]

All degrees require a certain amount of base work that is almost universal regardless of if it means a damn thing to your field. So yes it shows that you are a hard worker regardless of the degree.

Yes if you have a degree in bagpipes and all the math and history and other crap you need before you get it you should have no problem finding employment. If you do then the system needs fixing. You're not even asking new questions at this point just insisting that McDonalds is the holy grail that needs to be protected from people who didn't study physics.

No, you've said nothing about McDonalds but I have mentioned REPEATEDLY that if you want to be a manager there you need a goddamn degree to which you keep replying that a degree in anthropology/basketweaving/bagpipe playing isn't good enough for that.

It is releavant that my car could run on fry grease and that I simply don't care. Because I honestly DO have a choice most people don't at least in the short term but we could get over that. Regardless we won't and boycotting gas is unrealistic.

It did pay of for Obama. . .eventually and probably will for my sister. And yes people want Harvard but they also NEED education. It's not really a choice in the modern world not to get it.

 

[AlexVega]

All degrees require a certain amount of base work that is almost universal regardless of if it means a damn thing to your field. So yes it shows that you are a hard worker regardless of the degree.

Yes if you have a degree in bagpipes and all the math and history and other crap you need before you get it you should have no problem finding employment. If you do then the system needs fixing. You're not even asking new questions at this point just insisting that McDonalds is the holy grail that needs to be protected from people who didn't study physics.

No, you've said nothing about McDonalds but I have mentioned REPEATEDLY that if you want to be a manager there you need a goddamn degree to which you keep replying that a degree in anthropology/basketweaving/bagpipe playing isn't good enough for that.

It is releavant that my car could run on fry grease and that I simply don't care. Because I honestly DO have a choice most people don't at least in the short term but we could get over that. Regardless we won't and boycotting gas is unrealistic.

It did pay of for Obama. . .eventually and probably will for my sister. And yes people want Harvard but they also NEED education. It's not really a choice in the modern world not to get it.

And since you are a quitter, this is why you do not have a degree.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Again you make baseless accusations.

 

[Lord Pmann]

All degrees require a certain amount of base work that is almost universal regardless of if it means a damn thing to your field. So yes it shows that you are a hard worker regardless of the degree.

Yes if you have a degree in bagpipes and all the math and history and other crap you need before you get it you should have no problem finding employment. If you do then the system needs fixing. You're not even asking new questions at this point just insisting that McDonalds is the holy grail that needs to be protected from people who didn't study physics.

No, you've said nothing about McDonalds but I have mentioned REPEATEDLY that if you want to be a manager there you need a goddamn degree to which you keep replying that a degree in anthropology/basketweaving/bagpipe playing isn't good enough for that.

It is releavant that my car could run on fry grease and that I simply don't care. Because I honestly DO have a choice most people don't at least in the short term but we could get over that. Regardless we won't and boycotting gas is unrealistic.

It did pay of for Obama. . .eventually and probably will for my sister. And yes people want Harvard but they also NEED education. It's not really a choice in the modern world not to get it.

Again, you seem to think that having a degree just means something to an employer. To some it does. To others, they don't care.

How would you suggest that the system needs fixing, given that my degree in bagpipes is acquired?

I never once said a degree in basket weaving wasn't good enough for a McDonald's manager. I've never implied that or anything close to it. I n fact, I do agree with you in that completing a degree in something does show the ability to start something and finish it. It has a positive connotation, of course. However, it doesn't mean there is a relevant job for you.

I even agree with you that, to do the job, one doesn't actually NEED the degree. However, McDonalds is in the driver's seat. They can pick from a pool of candidates who have degrees because that's what the job market allows. Now, those Anthropology majors won't want to take that job. But the jobs exist. They just don't want to take jobs "beneath" them.

I do ask one question that you refuse to answer. You think that someone with a bagpipe degree should automatically be employed because they have a degree. Where do the jobs for that come from? If there are a finite number of positions, but too many people, then how do you employ them? The reason degrees in the technical or medical fields pay so well is because there are so many openings and so few candidates.

To address your point of "they have a degree so they deserve a job regardless of what the degree is" assertion, I'll say this. Employers sometimes would rather have someone without a degree. They don't have to pay them as much to do the same work. They don't have someone who thinks they deserve more money to make copies because they have a piece of paper that says they know who Susan B Anthony is. This entitlement mentality is what makes these millennials such shit employees.

Your ideology assumes that there are infinite jobs to be given. People need to make better decisions on what they choose to study in college, if they are willing to make an investment. This pie in the sky thinking that education is just for betterment and shouldn't have a price tag is as ideological as solar power as a reliable source of energy in this day. If you want to study an unemployable subject, don't be sour when you can't afford to pay your student loans.

Again, your whole argument assumes that a degreed education is the only way to make money. I work at a company that is decently sized. Maybe 2500 people or so. The minimum pay is $40k, except for maybe a few outlying positions. The largest workforce within the company are not degreed individuals. Their pay ranges (in base salary) from $40k-80k. Most of them are skilled labour. They learn trades.

The problem is, someone who majors in anthropology or women's studies isn't likely going to want to get their hands dirty and do the work it takes. They have a degree. They don't need to go outside and get dirty. They deserve a job.

Again, all of these positions require no degree and are typically done with on the job training or a very short certification course:

Electrician
Mechanic
Plumber
Mortgage sales
Admin assistants
Police officer
Fireman
Lineman

Those are really well paying jobs. But all of them aren't glamourous and office-y enough.

There is a choice not to get a degree as education. You just have to do a different kind of work. It's no less respectable. Hell, I have a lot more respect for my mechanic than I do for the kid with a degree in art history pouring my coffee at Starbucks. And he makes a hell of a living. And has no student loan debt either.

Hell, you could probably even change keyboards and tell people to power cycle their computers with the other Sean at Comcast without a degree.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I didn't say yours. But the point is, boycotting gas doesn't work. At all. Because nearly every vehicle runs on gas. Some are hybrid. But even those use Gas. Few are electric. Very few.

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It would work...but just like buying shit from Wal Mart made in 3rd world slave labor camps, people just don't care that much.

Gasoline makes shit easy, people are fuckin' lazy and impatient....and I still gave apple 1000 bucks for a phone they spent 0.000039 cents to make in some Chinese toxic waste dump.

 

[Lord Pmann]

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It would work...but just like buying shit from Wal Mart made in 3rd world slave labor camps, people just don't care that much.

Gasoline makes shit easy, people are fuckin' lazy and impatient....and I still gave apple 1000 bucks for a phone they spent 0.000039 cents to make in some Chinese toxic waste dump.

The phones are actually pretty expensive go make. $200 or so per phone.

http://time.com/3426087/apple-iphone-6-cost/

Plus $.08 in labour.

 

[Hypoxia]

ObTopic:

* Any prez can issue orders. Don't mean anyone will obey them.
* A prez has no say over private, non-govt-backed student loans.
* Forgiving govt-backed loans (with provisios) looks like a good idea.
* Screw private schools that suck-up federal money without educating.
* You think education is expensive? See how much lack of education costs.
* Education and training are not the same. Education requires critical thinking.

 

[AlexVega]

ObTopic:

* Any prez can issue orders. Don't mean anyone will obey them.
* A prez has no say over private, non-govt-backed student loans.
* Forgiving govt-backed loans (with provisios) looks like a good idea.
* Screw private schools that suck-up federal money without educating.
* You think education is expensive? See how much lack of education costs.
* Education and training are not the same. Education requires critical thinking.

No, student loans MUST be paid. We need to break this Obama sense of entitlement and that "free" is good.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No, student loans MUST be paid. We need to break this Obama sense of entitlement and that "free" is good.

Well they will be paid nobody is honestly disputing that save you. But this Obama sense of Entitlement, which is more accurately an American sense of entitlement will be broken when we become a shit hole.