Will Obama issue and executive order to "forgive" all student debt?

[Hypoxia]

The anti-entitlement argument re student loans assumes that only lenders and borrowers have a stake in the transaction. T'ain't so. Society is greatly enriched when education (and training) are widely available.

California became an economic powerhouse in the 1960s-70s-80s largely because Gov Pat Brown (Jerry's father) oversaw building a state university system whose alumni, along with grads from Stanford, CalTech, Harvey Mudd, and other private schools with large govt subsidies, developed the IT world we live in now.

Nations with high standards of living also subsidize higher education systems. High-cost schooling is for luzers. Those pushing the anti-entitlement arguement are traitors. Fetch a rope.

 

[AlexVega]

The anti-entitlement argument re student loans assumes that only lenders and borrowers have a stake in the transaction. T'ain't so. Society is greatly enriched when education (and training) are widely available.

California became an economic powerhouse in the 1960s-70s-80s largely because Gov Pat Brown (Jerry's father) oversaw building a state university system whose alumni, along with grads from Stanford, CalTech, Harvey Mudd, and other private schools with large govt subsidies, developed the IT world we live in now.

Nations with high standards of living also subsidize higher education systems. High-cost schooling is for luzers. Those pushing the anti-entitlement arguement are traitors. Fetch a rope.

It's up to the person to enrich his or her life, not society's. If college was to become free, the value of said education would diminish.

Stanford is free, hum. You are sounding a little Seanish. Please take a deep breath.

 

[Noor]

I have a hard time with total forgiveness because it is not fair those who have paid off their student debt.
I would be more comfortable on a lowering or freezing of interest rates.
It also seems to be something beyond executive order and should be dealt with in cogress.

 

[thør]

I have a hard time with total forgiveness because it is not fair those who have paid off their student debt.
I would be more comfortable on a lowering or freezing of interest rates.
It also seems to be something beyond executive order and should be dealt with in cogress.

And, shouldn't people who have worked their way through school without any debt be rewarded?

 

[Noor]

And, shouldn't people who have worked their way through school without any debt be rewarded?

Yes, of course. I did both a loan and worked my way through.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's up to the person to enrich his or her life, not society's. If college was to become free, the value of said education would diminish.

Stanford is free, hum. You are sounding a little Seanish. Please take a deep breath.

Society has an important role to play in it. The value of education would only diminish in that it would become common. To that I'd love to live in a world where high education is as worthless as the ability to read.

I have a hard time with total forgiveness because it is not fair those who have paid off their student debt.
I would be more comfortable on a lowering or freezing of interest rates.
It also seems to be something beyond executive order and should be dealt with in cogress.

Those who paid off their student debt did a good thing or like me didn't have much to begin with. That's not a good reason not to help others who are trapped in the system especially when it comes to things that help society as a whole.

And, shouldn't people who have worked their way through school without any debt be rewarded?

Meh. Depends on how they pulled it. I'm sorry I'm not not rewarding someone for simply being born rich enough not to go into to debt. I'm not hating on them, they should take advantage of opportunity that life threw their way but don't tell me that I should be proud or reward you for being born with a silverspoon in your mouth. The spoon IS your reward.

Regardless if rewarding them is the best way to start working on fixing the problem so fucking be it.

I'm not a fan of outright forgiveness anyway. Just improving the system going forward.

 

[miles]

And, shouldn't people who have worked their way through school without any debt be rewarded?

Yeah, you can count on the Democrats to reward hard work.

 

[Hypoxia]

Society has an important role to play in it. The value of education would only diminish in that it would become common. To that I'd love to live in a world where high education is as worthless as the ability to read.

You assume education and training are commodities with no value themselves, only what values society places on them. T'ain't so. Schooling adds wealth to the society WHEN IT IS USED. I read of free govt universities in Egypt etc churning out zillions of trained engineers with no hopes of employment. There, engineering training IS as worthless as illiteracy. But education, the inculcation of culture and critical thinking, is always priceless. Them who can't think straight probably can't work straight either.

 

[AlexVega]

I have a hard time with total forgiveness because it is not fair those who have paid off their student debt.
I would be more comfortable on a lowering or freezing of interest rates.
It also seems to be something beyond executive order and should be dealt with in cogress.

And, shouldn't people who have worked their way through school without any debt be rewarded?

I agree with you both. Obama has created a generation of people like Sean. Not only do they expect "free" they demand it. WTF. what happened to hard work (oh wait, most here on GB aka Obama supporters do not work).

So sad what Obama has done to this once great country

 

[AlexVega]

Society has an important role to play in it. The value of education would only diminish in that it would become common. To that I'd love to live in a world where high education is as worthless as the ability to read.



Those who paid off their student debt did a good thing or like me didn't have much to begin with. That's not a good reason not to help others who are trapped in the system especially when it comes to things that help society as a whole.



Meh. Depends on how they pulled it. I'm sorry I'm not not rewarding someone for simply being born rich enough not to go into to debt. I'm not hating on them, they should take advantage of opportunity that life threw their way but don't tell me that I should be proud or reward you for being born with a silverspoon in your mouth. The spoon IS your reward.

Regardless if rewarding them is the best way to start working on fixing the problem so fucking be it.

I'm not a fan of outright forgiveness anyway. Just improving the system going forward.

Why don't you move to France. That's a shithole but I'm sure you can get a free college education.

 

[thør]

Meh. Depends on how they pulled it. I'm sorry I'm not not rewarding someone for simply being born rich enough not to go into to debt. I'm not hating on them, they should take advantage of opportunity that life threw their way but don't tell me that I should be proud or reward you for being born with a silverspoon in your mouth. The spoon IS your reward.

No silver spoon in this mouth. I worked odd jobs at 9 yo and full time summer work once I turned 11 yo. The money went into the bank for college. Worked and paid my way through school. No trust fund, no inheritances, no public assistance, just work.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No silver spoon in this mouth. I worked odd jobs at 9 yo and full time summer work once I turned 11 yo. The money went into the bank for college. Worked and paid my way through school. No trust fund, no inheritances, no public assistance, just work.

I specified depends on how they did it out the gate. I did it via joining the military and frankly I think my reward is that I don't have (as much) debt as I should. But (well personally I think 9 yo's working is a detriment to society but lets skip that) you working your way through is something to be proud of. I know it means nothing but congratulations.

That doesn't change the fact that the data seems to suggest that we have a problem in this country. So the thing that should be discussed is how to fix it not people who managed to do it correctly the first time being bitter it wasn't easier on them neh?

 

[BotanyBoy]

personally I think 9 yo's working is a detriment to society

Huah.....I think the lefty coddling of kids until they are fukin' 30 is a detriment to society.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c8/11/d6/c811d63ff92dd97d07f8bb35adc3ac11.jpg

 

[AlexVega]

I specified depends on how they did it out the gate. I did it via joining the military and frankly I think my reward is that I don't have (as much) debt as I should. But (well personally I think 9 yo's working is a detriment to society but lets skip that) you working your way through is something to be proud of. I know it means nothing but congratulations.

That doesn't change the fact that the data seems to suggest that we have a problem in this country. So the thing that should be discussed is how to fix it not people who managed to do it correctly the first time being bitter it wasn't easier on them neh?

Because too many people like you feel entitled to other people's money

 

[Sean Renaud]

Huah.....I think the lefty coddling of kids until they are fukin' 30 is a detriment to society.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c8/11/d6/c811d63ff92dd97d07f8bb35adc3ac11.jpg

I don't find these beliefs to be mutually exclusive to be honest. (Not sure it's lefties given it's literally an entire generation) But coddling them past 18 is insane. Not coddling them up to 18 is negligent at best.

Because too many people like you feel entitled to other people's money

That's fine, I am entiteld to other peoples money. The sooner they stop bitching the hapier we'll all be.

 

[AlexVega]

I don't find these beliefs to be mutually exclusive to be honest. (Not sure it's lefties given it's literally an entire generation) But coddling them past 18 is insane. Not coddling them up to 18 is negligent at best.



That's fine, I am entiteld to other peoples money. The sooner they stop bitching the hapier we'll all be.

Wow, just wow

 

[Noor]

One thing that troubles me about the costs of university is that it is very hard to do what is needed to become a top scientist and work your way through school. There just isn't enough time. The same thing with medicine.

So unless you live in a state with a good, inexpensive public university you are screwed, which also means we in the USA are screwed because we need hard scientists and pure research that is not tied to corporations.

 

[AlexVega]

One thing that troubles me about the costs of university is that it is very hard to do what is needed to become a top scientist and work your way through school. There just isn't enough time. The same thing with medicine.

So unless you live in a state with a good, inexpensive public university you are screwed, which also means we in the USA are screwed because we need hard scientists and pure research that is not tied to corporations.

Our education system is the land of corruption and greed. We must stop the greed and the only way to do that is to cut off all funding to them. Force these greedy assholes to compete for students and money. This is the only way that the price for higher education will go down.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That won't make them less greedy, it will likely make them more greedy and limit education only to the very rich.

 

[Lord Pmann]

This is what I find annoying about people and their student loans... So many get enough money to live on whilst going to college. Ever heard of working a job and doing school? With the exception of a few degrees (medicine and maybe law), I can't fathom someone not having the time to work. I worked one and, for a while, two jobs during university. I have a degree that's not exactly easy. And I graduated a year early. I was fortunate enough to be on scholarship so I had no debt.

But this entitlement mentality is mind numbing. Come on. You get rewarded for skills that are valuable. You don't get rewarded for skills that aren't. It's simple. All degrees aren't created equal. Not are all universities. Pick and choose wisely. You're responsible for the debts you incur. Again, simple.

It's the same with people and their over mortgaged houses who cry "it's not fair". This mentality that we are owed something because we invest our money is babyish, at best. Investments are risks. Some investments are safe. If you go to pharmacy school, you'll start out making $120k a year. That's how it works. That's a safe investment. If you go to Engineering school, you'll start out making $60-65k per year. Not bad. And honestly, as long as you go to an accredited university, for that particular degree, it almost doesn't matter where you go (for a bachelor's). So spending $200k on an engineering degree or $30k is irrelevant. There are certainly the outliers. But that's a lot of extra money to make up the differential.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't find these beliefs to be mutually exclusive to be honest. (Not sure it's lefties given it's literally an entire generation) But coddling them past 18 is insane. Not coddling them up to 18 is negligent at best.

That's because you live in Liburhul ass SoCal.

Go visit
http://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/the_south.jpg

And tell me the left isn't softer than whipped cream on their precious little princes and princesses compared to tight wad hyper christian conservative loons in the bible belt.


Different culture man....we are talking about tight wad conservative culture where beating your kids ass or slapping the attitude right out of your tween/teens mouth is common place and totally acceptable. I'm not talking about a swat and a hush/time out I'm talking about mom/dad picking the kid up by 1 arm and putting some work in. Ass whuppin old school style...still good to go in the south, people in SF would FREAK THE FUCK OUT if you started to fuck your kid up in public for getting lippy. I dunno how LA would react but I'm betting they aren't anywhere near as supportive of beating your kids as they are in the dirty dirty man....just no.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I guess when you factor in population that's not impossible.

On that front I'd still rather be coddled So Cal liberal instead of dumb as fuck Bible Belt.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I guess when you factor in population that's not impossible.

On that front I'd still rather be coddled So Cal liberal instead of dumb as fuck Bible Belt.

At least those Bible Belt people learn to be productive members of society and not entitled assholes. Or they grow up to be wife beaters. They also do that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

At least those Bible Belt people learn to be productive members of society and not entitled assholes. Or they grow up to be wife beaters. They also do that.

ROFL. That they do. We only grow into programers, movie makers or druggies.

 

[Lord Pmann]

ROFL. That they do. We only grow into programers, movie makers or druggies.

Don't forget self important assholes. Oh wait, movie makers. Got it.