Will This Be The Next Obama Scandal?

Does anyone ever notice that Obama is getting criticized from within his own administration, and by former Democrat Presidents, not by former Republican Presidents, but those in his own party?

They notice that some people are not quite what they used to think they were and are now consensually agreeing to purge them and send them off to the FOX Gulag with Juan Williams.
 
WHen Jimmy Carter calls you out, you have to know you've hit rock bottom and it's time to take the 12-step program...

:eek:

But you cannot save someone who does not want to be saved.
 
WHen Jimmy Carter calls you out, you have to know you've hit rock bottom and it's time to take the 12-step program...

:eek:

But you cannot save someone who does not want to be saved.

Panetta has done two in depth interviews so far, both intensely interesting.

The criticisms fall into two broad categories, foreign policy (including the emerging ebola policies) and, of course, domestic policy.

The foreign policy criticisms are generally in agreement with some extraordinary sharp comments.

On the domestic side there is a difference though. The criticisms fall more into the area of 'how' he is going about implementing policy rather than the policies themselves. He is forcing sharp changes on several domestic policy fronts at the same time and with the exception of the ACA disaster he is doing so using extra-legislative measures, ie Presidential Orders.

The fear on the part of the democrats is that he is doing long term damage to the party with his methods, not that they don't want to eventually get there anyway. Let's face it, heretofore these changes have come about incrementally via legislative actions with token bi-partisan support. Buy a vote here with pork, force a vote there with some threat of withholding funding, etc. In other words, politics as usual, or the 'boil a frog' method. Obama is far too impatient and self-isolated to engage in those methods and his (the democrat) poll numbers reflect the results. So a great many that are throwing Obama under the bus re. domestic policy are doing so for their own, and their parties, political survival, NOT because they necessarily disagree with his goals, merely his methodology to achieve those goals.

To sum it up, the foreign policy criticisms are quite pointed, quite specific, and reflect very real differences of opinion. The criticisms re. domestic policy are mostly a sham and merely reflect differences in the means to implement said policies based mostly on self and party preservation.

Ishmael
 
Well, in defiance of polling and dissension within the ranks, when I read the opposition opinions at RCP on the upcoming elections, the Democrats are putting great faith in the fact that they have a better ground and turnout game and that they will hold the Senate.

No matter what happens the week following the election should be interesting to watch.
 
Well, in defiance of polling and dissension within the ranks, when I read the opposition opinions at RCP on the upcoming elections, the Democrats are putting great faith in the fact that they have a better ground and turnout game and that they will hold the Senate.

No matter what happens the week following the election should be interesting to watch.

That's what they believe, but reality has a way of biting you in the ass. But as you say, it's going to be interesting.

Ishmael
 
Well, in defiance of polling and dissension within the ranks, when I read the opposition opinions at RCP on the upcoming elections, the Democrats are putting great faith in the fact that they have a better ground and turnout game and that they will hold the Senate.

No matter what happens the week following the election should be interesting to watch.

You mean stuffing the ballot boxes in heavily Democratic districts? Always interesting how when it is close there is always a district or two with about as many votes as people in a demographic that historically, doesn't bother to vote.
 
You mean stuffing the ballot boxes in heavily Democratic districts? Always interesting how when it is close there is always a district or two with about as many votes as people in a demographic that historically, doesn't bother to vote.

It got Franken elected.
 
You mean stuffing the ballot boxes in heavily Democratic districts? Always interesting how when it is close there is always a district or two with about as many votes as people in a demographic that historically, doesn't bother to vote.

It got Franken elected.

There is a little town in N. Central Arkansas by the name of Pleasant Plains. The current population is about 300 but back in the late 60's the population was approx. 500. The election results from that little burg always reflected a vote of approx. 900. All democrat votes. And those extra votes matched names on the tombstones in the local cemetery. It was a local joke throughout the state. It was always reported with a tongue in cheek presentation. Everybody knew about it and no one ever did anything about it.

Ishmael
 
You mean stuffing the ballot boxes in heavily Democratic districts? Always interesting how when it is close there is always a district or two with about as many votes as people in a demographic that historically, doesn't bother to vote.

Ah, the unsubstantiated accusation of voter fraud. Tell us query, what's the incidence of voter fraud (Not registration fraud but actual voter fraud) in say the last 25 -30 years?

Rhetorical question: The incidence of voter fraud is statistically ZERO.

The most interesting part about this is that it gets brought up whenever the GOP gets blindsided and loses an election. But when push comes to shove there's no proof that anything of the sort happened. It's just denial, pure and simple, and comes from listening to people who tend to tell you only what you want to hear and agree with.

As far as Ishmael's little anecdote regarding Pleasant Plains Arkansas. It's curious that not a single reference comes up when searching for this "fact". I suppose the Liberal Elite™ have managed to scrub every reference of this from the internet. :rolleyes:
 
Ah, the unsubstantiated accusation of voter fraud. Tell us query, what's the incidence of voter fraud (Not registration fraud but actual voter fraud) in say the last 25 -30 years?

Rhetorical question: The incidence of voter fraud is statistically ZERO.

The most interesting part about this is that it gets brought up whenever the GOP gets blindsided and loses an election. But when push comes to shove there's no proof that anything of the sort happened. It's just denial, pure and simple, and comes from listening to people who tend to tell you only what you want to hear and agree with.

democrats claim post-loss butthurt voter and election fraud also, dumbass.
don't pretend like they haven't.
 
There is a little town in N. Central Arkansas by the name of Pleasant Plains. The current population is about 300 but back in the late 60's the population was approx. 500. The election results from that little burg always reflected a vote of approx. 900. All democrat votes. And those extra votes matched names on the tombstones in the local cemetery. It was a local joke throughout the state. It was always reported with a tongue in cheek presentation. Everybody knew about it and no one ever did anything about it.

Ishmael

;) ;)

I saw about an ID law being struck down yesterday (?) because a Liberal judge (wonder if it is an elected post like we have here) deemed it a poll tax.
 
democrats claim post-loss butthurt voter and election fraud also, dumbass.
don't pretend like they haven't.

In 2000 the Democrats were screaming about fire-hoses and German Shepherds being used to prevent blacks from voting as if it were 1965 without any proof whatsoever (reminding us at once of Bill Clinton's false proclamation about seeing black churches burn) but when the New Black Panthers show up, that's not intimidation. The criminal proceedings had to be halted.
 
In 2000 the Democrats were screaming about fire-hoses and German Shepherds being used to prevent blacks from voting as if it were 1965 without any proof whatsoever (reminding us at once of Bill Clinton's false proclamation about seeing black churches burn) but when the New Black Panthers show up, that's not intimidation. The criminal proceedings had to be halted.

It's not every day you have a corrupt AG who openly admits he's an activist.
 
No "scandal" that involves a purported invasion of the Koch Brothers' privacy is ever going to get any traction in this country.
 
No "scandal" that involves a purported invasion of the Koch Brothers' privacy is ever going to get any traction in this country.

What is "purported" about it? The only question (with a self-evident answer) is how high up the scandal goes.
 
That they have; public sympathy they have not. They're the Koch Brothers.

Just because Harry Reid thinks it is acceptable to slander private citizens from the floor of the Senate with wild-eyed theories and that leftist media outlets repeat it to the below median intelligence audience that they have doesn't mean that they have no public sympathy. Just not from you and your ilk. You wouldn't much care for it if Bush had used the full weight of the US Government to attack and attempt to silence George Soros and Media Matters for example.
 
Is this the same Harry Reid who had second-hand proof that Romney did not pay his taxes?

;)

The one who cannot explain how he (and his family) got so fabulously wealthy off a civil servant's pay?
 
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