Writing Style: Nonargumentative

[cloudy]

I hadn't heard of Contraries. I love the idea.

They were also called Sacred Clowns.

 

[Recidiva]

RECIDIVA

Well, Emily was a penniless old woman from a prominent family. She had no money to pay her bills, taxes, or servants, plus she murdered her fiancee and slept with his corpse every night. But no one dared confront her about any of it. They went to her cousins in Georgia, and the cousins came to town to fix things.

So, when my thief sister stole stuff from the store and was discovered, I was sent to the store to quietly make amends. When one of my aunts got in the family way, she was quietly sent to the Florence Crittenden Home for a spell.

Ah. Well, this I understand very much.

My mother is an alcoholic southern Belle who can't bear to deal with any unpleasantness and has her husband deal with the children and...you know..*****.

She drinks under all circumstances and that includes if she breaks a bone and is on contraindicated prescription meds or promises not to while taking antidepressants. She will be found in unstable homicidal/suicidal states most often when she requires the most care. She has often required being intitutionalized for her own protection, but she has not benefited from it. She only learns to be angrier at the people forced to call emergency services to avoid being murdered by her or trying to save her life.

She's very angry I won't allow my autistic son to be in her care without them both being supervised. The fact that she doesn't believe my son is autistic, but is just stubborn and needs more discipline, is beneath her notice.

I do appreciate the good things my mother taught me. And there are quite a few. I did try being the opposite of her, but I became a person who despised cleanliness, manners, and social polish.

I'm trying to reclaim my right to being clean without being obsessive, having manners without having to be a hypocrite, and having social polish without being glib and fearful.

I'm succeeding in some, but I'm damaged in other areas in ways that it's going to take a lot of work.

I understand the need to reject something that affected you so negatively. But I also realize after the pendulum swings full force, you can be just reactive to what affected you negatively, but still ruled by it. Not your own person.

 

[Recidiva]

They were also called Sacred Clowns.

Called? Are there none now? That would be sad.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

RECIDIVA

Let me tell you a true tale from the slave days.

I come from practical jokers and congenital trouble-makers. My girl-friend says I love to poke people in the eye witrh a stick. I do.

Anyway. At the end of the Civil War, my ancestor's brother rode over to the Colored Quarters to see one of the men who planned to leave the plantation. And when George found the man he told him that he had to leave his clothes and go naked. The man was free but not his clothes.

The man refused and George suggested they have a fist fight for the clothes. They had the fight, George won, and he took tha man's clothes.

Then before he rode away, he pulled a package out of his saddle bag, and threw it at the man. It contained new clothes and money.

I think some men just dont do hugs.

 

[Recidiva]

RECIDIVA

Let me tell you a true tale from the slave days.

I come from practical jokers and congenital trouble-makers. My girl-friend says I love to poke people in the eye witrh a stick. I do.

Anyway. At the end of the Civil War, my ancestor's brother rode over to the Colored Quarters to see one of the men who planned to leave the plantation. And when George found the man he told him that he had to leave his clothes and go naked. The man was free but not his clothes.

The man refused and George suggested they have a fist fight for the clothes. They had the fight, George won, and he took tha man's clothes.

Then before he rode away, he pulled a package out of his saddle bag, and threw it at the man. It contained new clothes and money.

I think some men just dont do hugs.

I think lots of women also do not do hugs.

Your ancestors sound a lot like mine.

I also do the stick in the eye thing. I also do the hugs. Depends a lot on my mood.

My husband and I were talking about this, because we're very protective people. BUT...because we're so concerned with protecting people, we can also be acutely sensitive to when vulnerable people are being extra dumbass, prompting us to feel put upon and jump into the fray on their behalf.

I do both. I will protect the innocent, but I also am just as prone to...after the disaster has passed...smack the innocent around a bit and beg them to get some backbone or martial arts lessons so they don't need my help in the future.

I think if you didn't care, you wouldn't care at all. Wouldn't occur to you to poke someone in the eye or think ahead to conceal a care package.

For some reason I have felt compelled to either correct or point out vulnerability. Likely stemming from feeling entirely helpless and vulnerable as a child and overcompensating as an adult. There are lots of ways of doing it. But as I become more aware of my own nature, I become aware of how it's my issue, and people really are going to go about being vulnerable and dumbass and being preyed upon whether or not my ass is there to change it.

The world's gonna turn whether or not I poke or hug. For me that's now a comforting, and not a frightening thought. I can retire my cape and only do these things freelance. Less compulsion or fear. More choice.

 

[cloudy]

Called? Are there none now? That would be sad.

Not any now, as far as I know. Being contrary 24/7 is damn hard work, and no respect for it anymore.

 

[Recidiva]

Not any now, as far as I know. Being contrary 24/7 is damn hard work, and no respect for it anymore.

When it's done badly it's awful.

But I would compare it to the court Fool. The only one permitted to speak truth to power. As long as it was phrased as a joke.

 

[cloudy]

But I would compare it to the court Fool. The only one permitted to speak truth to power. As long as it was phrased as a joke.

Yes. You have the sense of it exactly.

A Contrary could say things backward that no one could voice speaking normally.

 

[xssve]

E-Prime, check it.

 

[Recidiva]

E-Prime, check it.

Cool. Thanks for the link.

My main problem online is that I am usually playing with my words. You can pick up much more about my attitude from my voice than you can online, and I haven't really mastered the translation.

I'm busy amusing myself with the assumption that my audience knows I'm trying to be funny, but that 'setup' and indication of voice and knowledge of my attitude and that I mean well is so often lost on an online audience that attempts at humor are taken literally.

Unfortunately toning that down to a large extent usually means I'm no longer amusing myself, therefore I no longer want to talk.

 

[xssve]

Life without sarcasm is just not worth living.

 

[Recidiva]

Life without sarcasm is just not worth living.

To a certain extent, this is true for me, and online conversation has made that clear.

If I can't play with my words, I don't want to talk.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think lots of women also do not do hugs.

Your ancestors sound a lot like mine.

I also do the stick in the eye thing. I also do the hugs. Depends a lot on my mood.

My husband and I were talking about this, because we're very protective people. BUT...because we're so concerned with protecting people, we can also be acutely sensitive to when vulnerable people are being extra dumbass, prompting us to feel put upon and jump into the fray on their behalf.

I do both. I will protect the innocent, but I also am just as prone to...after the disaster has passed...smack the innocent around a bit and beg them to get some backbone or martial arts lessons so they don't need my help in the future.

I think if you didn't care, you wouldn't care at all. Wouldn't occur to you to poke someone in the eye or think ahead to conceal a care package.

For some reason I have felt compelled to either correct or point out vulnerability. Likely stemming from feeling entirely helpless and vulnerable as a child and overcompensating as an adult. There are lots of ways of doing it. But as I become more aware of my own nature, I become aware of how it's my issue, and people really are going to go about being vulnerable and dumbass and being preyed upon whether or not my ass is there to change it.

The world's gonna turn whether or not I poke or hug. For me that's now a comforting, and not a frightening thought. I can retire my cape and only do these things freelance. Less compulsion or fear. More choice.

HUMAN COMMUNICATION CAN BE COMPLEX, AND OFTENTIMES THE COMMUNICATION SERVES MULTIPLE PURPOSES. FLIRTING IS ONE EXAMPLE, CATTY CHATTER IS ANOTHER. SOMETIMES PEOPLE SIMPLY WANT TO FIGHT TO LIFT THEMSELVES OUT OF DEPRESSION. LOTSA PEOPLE ARE SCARED SHITLESS OF THEIR FEELINGS, AND PROJECT THEM ONTO OTHERS. ITS KIND OF A CRAZY WAY TO EXPRESS WHAT YOU FEEL, BUT IT WORKS.

ON ANOTHER BOARD A MARXIST FOLLOWS ME AROUND ALERTING READERS THAT I WANT TO KILL EVERYONE. HE TELLS PEOPLE I'M A HOMICIDAL MANIAC. WELL, I DONT WANT TO KILL PEOPLE, SO THE IDEA OF MURDER MUST BELONG TO HIM. HE SIMPLY PROJECTS IT ONTO ME BECAUSE ITS SAFE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

 

[Recidiva]

UMAN COMMUNICATION CAN BE COMPLEX, AND OFTENTIMES THE COMMUNICATION SERVES MULTIPLE PURPOSES. FLIRTING IS ONE EXAMPLE, CATTY CHATTER IS ANOTHER. SOMETIMES PEOPLE SIMPLY WANT TO FIGHT TO LIFT THEMSELVES OUT OF DEPRESSION. LOTSA PEOPLE ARE SCARED SHITLESS OF THEIR FEELINGS, AND PROJECT THEM ONTO OTHERS. ITS KIND OF A CRAZY WAY TO EXPRESS WHAT YOU FEEL, BUT IT WORKS.

ON ANOTHER BOARD A MARXIST FOLLOWS ME AROUND ALERTING READERS THAT I WANT TO KILL EVERYONE. HE TELLS PEOPLE I'M A HOMICIDAL MANIAC. WELL, I DONT WANT TO KILL PEOPLE, SO THE IDEA OF MURDER MUST BELONG TO HIM. HE SIMPLY PROJECTS IT ONTO ME BECAUSE ITS SAFE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

I've seen you encourage people to think you're at least very interested in crime and psychosis, starting threads about stalking, murder, attitudes about what a psychopath is and a sociopath is, and I've even seen you in the BDSM boards telling people what they were into and why in the most insulting terms.

So I do believe you invite people to feel this way about you.

I think you foster a great deal of it, but give all the responsibility for thinking certain things to other people. I'm not sure you feel responsible for the impression you give, and that's just what that is, true or not.

When you first got here you insisted everyone was fascinated with you, hated you and would stalk you. You accused me of being fascinated with you and stalking you, when all I was doing was responding to your posts.

I saw you harangue people on the BDSM boards as well as the AH, and although it's possible to put certain spins on your words, it really comes down to you prevaricating to give the wrong impression on purpose, and then arguing over "well, it depends on what your definition of is is."

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[xssve]

...and I've even seen you in the BDSM boards telling people what they were into and why in the most insulting terms.

Love is... finding somebody who shares your psychoses!

 

[Recidiva]

Love is... finding somebody who shares your psychoses!

It's at least a good start on codependence. And if that's the best you can do..it's better than being psychotic alone.

 

[xssve]

It's at least a good start on codependence. And if that's the best you can do..it's better than being psychotic alone.

Conservatism is a psychosis - so is a shopping addiction, gambling, power mongering, money grubbing, etc., etc. it's the nature of human culture to seek enablers and justifications for whatever our particular set of neuroses happens to be.

I'm neurotically attached to sex, food, and art, though not always in that order - works for me.

 

[Recidiva]

Conservatism is a psychosis - so is a shopping addiction, gambling, power mongering, money grubbing, etc., etc. it's the nature of human culture to seek enablers and justifications for whatever our particular set of neuroses happens to be.

I'm neurotically attached to sex, food, and art, though not always in that order - works for me.

I like video games, sex and food.

Steady supply of those things, I'm happy.

Oh. Must have bathtub. Hate showers.

I'm sure there are a few other things, but those are the dealbreakers. Shower, no games, bad sex, crappy food = outta here!

 

[xssve]

An eminently reasonable set of neuroses.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Recidiva

None Of Your Evidence Points To Any Homicidal Acts Or Threats By Me. And You Wont Find Any Because None Exist.

People Construe Things However They Want, And I Have No Control Over What They Think Or What They Conclude. If I Had That Kind Of Influence I'd Make Them Send Me Money Rather Than Insults.

I'm Reminded Of A Deputy Who Stopped Me For Suspicion Of Drugs. He Honestly Believed I Had Drugs In My Car But Expected Me To Be Defiant And Hostile. Instead, What I Did Was Keep Suggesting To Him That He Needed To Do A Better Job Of Looking For The Drugs In The Car. He Checked The Trunk And I Suggested He Better Remove All The Seats, Then Check The Engine Thoroughly, Then Crawl Under The Car In His Clean Uniform. Remove The Door Panels. You Know, People Hide Drugs There. Check Inside The Tires. Poke A Stick Down In The Gas Tank, Floyd.

When His Supervisor Came By And Saw The Circus, It Wasnt Me He Thought Was Daft.

I DONT BELIEVE LITTLE OLE ME INFLUENCED FLOYD'S ACTIONS.

 

[Recidiva]

Recidiva

None Of Your Evidence Points To Any Homicidal Acts Or Threats By Me. And You Wont Find Any Because None Exist.

People Construe Things However They Want, And I Have No Control Over What They Think Or What They Conclude. If I Had That Kind Of Influence I'd Make Them Send Me Money Rather Than Insults.

I'm Reminded Of A Deputy Who Stopped Me For Suspicion Of Drugs. He Honestly Believed I Had Drugs In My Car But Expected Me To Be Defiant And Hostile. Instead, What I Did Was Keep Suggesting To Him That He Needed To Do A Better Job Of Looking For The Drugs In The Car. He Checked The Trunk And I Suggested He Better Remove All The Seats, Then Check The Engine Thoroughly, Then Crawl Under The Car In His Clean Uniform. Remove The Door Panels. You Know, People Hide Drugs There. Check Inside The Tires. Poke A Stick Down In The Gas Tank, Floyd.

When His Supervisor Came By And Saw The Circus, It Wasnt Me He Thought Was Daft.

I DONT BELIEVE LITTLE OLE ME INFLUENCED FLOYD'S ACTIONS.

I am not providing you with proof, just opinion.

 

[xssve]

I curious, you seem to be altering your posting style in random little ways: bold here, all caps there, now capitalizing every word - is this a bid for attention? Do you think perhaps people are not listening to you? Lol.

There is a downside to that confrontational style. I know this though experience, since as a Nordic raised by Catholics, I'm an expert in passive aggressive communication styles.

 

[Recidiva]

I curious, you seem to be altering your posting style in random little ways: bold here, all caps there, now capitalizing every word - is this a bid for attention? Do you think perhaps people are not listening to you? Lol.

There is a downside to that confrontational style. I know this though experience, since as a Nordic raised by Catholics, I'm an expert in passive aggressive communication styles.

I'm a roleplayer, so I interpret caps as yelling and capitalizing every word as grammatically expressed ego.

But emphasize everything and emphasis is lost.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

XSSVE

Even if you speak French, you speak it your own special way. Its called style.

If you believe I have sinister motives, I'm okay with what you think.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

RECIDIVA

I've seen people get their asses chewed for trying to help old people across the street. Folks bring their baggage to everything.