Your ideas on a "Trained Sub"

[Breaker_Morant]

Who trains who?

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't every D/s dynamic different? Don't both the PYL and pyl learn each others strengths, weaknesses, limits and nuiances and adapt?

an example of this is the word "phone". in relationship one, when i heard the word "phone" as the only word in the sentence it was a command to get on the phone and call him. the first time Master said "phone", i dashed for my cell phone ad called him. once i got his voicemail i realized he meant he was on the phone and would be right back. little things like that happen every one in a while with decreasing frequency.

To me, a trained sub is one who knows PYLs various needs, wants, desires etc. BUT shouldn't a good PYL learn the same about the pyl?

Btw.. a pyl is considered "trained" when PYL is satisfied with pyl's actions, in my opinion. I don't like doormats, so therefore I'm not going to micromanage.

 

[Pure]

note to breaker

B To me, a trained sub is one who knows PYLs various needs, wants, desires etc. BUT shouldn't a good PYL learn the same about the pyl?

the slave or pet should 'know the PYLs various needs, wants, and desires with a view to ensuring they are satisfied. the 'training' is not generic, but peculiar to the particular PYL and aims to promote knowledge of the PYL's desires and learning of skills in satisfying them.

the owner should "know the pyl's various needs, wants, and desires, for two basic reasons: 1) some have to do with safety and health, and the goal is to keep the pyl on hand, living at an adequate level. 2) all others may be handy to know, but the owner has no *obligations* to satisfy them; s/he does as s/he chooses for the chosen purposes.

it almost goes without saying that the owner is NOT looking to systematically or spitefully suppress all the slave's desires; the owner does well to ensure contentment, but beyond that, may more or less arbitrarily pick and choose whether a need, want or desire is to be frustrated, or indulged, and how much.

the pyl then, is not at all training the master, except possibly re safety and health (e.g. what causes an asthma attack). it would be better to say the slave is presenting the master with a menu, which may be supplemented by the master, and from which the master orders.

 

[Breaker_Morant]

the slave or pet should 'know the PYLs various needs, wants, and desires with a view to ensuring they are satisfied. the 'training' is not generic, but peculiar to the particular PYL and aims to promote knowledge of the PYL's desires and learning of skills in satisfying them.

*nods in agreement*

the owner should "know the pyl's various needs, wants, and desires, for two basic reasons: 1) some have to do with safety and health, and the goal is to keep the pyl on hand, living at an adequate level. 2) all others may be handy to know, but the owner has no *obligations* to satisfy them; s/he does as s/he chooses for the chosen purposes.

I disagree - on the premise that if the pyl doesn't receive some sort of satisfaction in the relationship (sexual release/emotional release) , then the pyl is apt to leave the relationship - they have that right.

 

[Pure]

to breaker,

you missed the line


pure the owner does well to ensure contentment

the rest of my post merely stresses lack of *obligation* to to satisfy a panoply of sub needs.

 

[Breaker_Morant]

you missed the line


pure the owner does well to ensure contentment

the rest of my post merely stresses lack of *obligation* to to satisfy a panoply of sub needs.

Guess I did

 

[Big Poppa]

I'm going to voice my opinion on this, and I may end up regretting it later...


I feel like much in this lifestyle, the word "train" has different meanings to different folks. Everyone so far has voiced their opinions and I agree/disagree with parts of them all.


To me training has 2 key definitions, which I know atleast one has been mentioned.

Training 1: Getting to know me, what I want, how I want it, me, me me! Afterall that is the job of the pyl, she is there to please me, right?

Training 2: The pyl position itself. And this may just be an off shoot of the above, but I don't know, its too early in the morning. Basically how the pyl should act, do her tasks, kneel, etc...


It's kinda like a job. You've been trained to do the job by the book, however your manager may have to train you in his/her own way of having you do the job. Is this making sense to anyone?

 

[desertslave]

This is very much how it is with Master and I. I am not learning slavery so much as taking an intensive course in him. It's about learning his desires and preferences and becoming confident at pre-empting most of his daily needs.

This sums up my outlook very, very well! In my experiences, each dominant I've served has been different. Their desires, requirements from me and even physical 'wiring' have each varied. Being trained by them was essentially learning what they liked and expected. There's a general framework, but training has been a matter of fine-tuning.

 

[akittenone]

kitten thinks that each Dom/Master expects different things from Their sub/slaves, so even though kitten was trained by 3 different Ones in her life she is still learning and being trained by Her new Master,
Things that please One do not please another, things that kitten willingly done with One do not nessicarily mean she can do with Another.
kittens Master sees a worth in kitten and that He builds on, and kitten learns what He wants and needs as she does so,
Training sounds like something you would do to a dog but in reality it is teaching the sub/slave to serve her Dom/Master better

>^..^<

 

[EmpressFi]

Every time I see this thread, all I think about is a seal bouncing a striped ball on its nose..

Trained seal = trained sub

Not that I'm comparing that to it, I'm not. It's just that's the visual image the two words together conjure up in my head.

As his pet, as his submissive.. I didnt have formal, "training". But I did learn his needs, his expectations, and how he wanted to be treated. So, I guess in that sense I was "trained". But it was like someone mentioned above, I knew the gist of the job position, he just helped me learn how to do it better.

 

[Fauna]

I've never done any formal training or thought of it as training. The beginning for me has always been a get to know each other time, when we figure out each other's needs.

Each relationship has its own needs that don't always transfer from one relationship to the next. When I started out with my last slave, he was anticipating the needs his previous Mistress had of him. Some of them I liked, having my favorite candy ready for me, and others weren't my kink, watersports.

My new sub and I are going through that new period now. I'm enjoying learning this new boy's sweet spots and he is having fun learning my needs.

 

[HandsomeHunk]

training

there is no specific regimine of "training".....every DOM has his specific areas of expertise......likes and dislikes.....I prefer subs who like to go hunting with me for bifems......I know what they really want and I give them permission to go after it....within limits.