2008 News & Views: Discussion and Announcements for the Survivorphile

[starrkers]

Miscellany

1. All entrants will be responsible for tracking their own progress through the Contest.
2. Entrants and winners retain copyright to all works submitted.
3. Sections 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11 of Official Monthly Contest Rules apply.
4. Plagiarism or cheating will result in expulsion from the Contest and potentially other actions taken by Literotica.
5. Rules are subject to change without notice.
6. Questions should be directed to the moderators. You may privately contact the moderators at any time by pressing the PM button at any of their posts.
7. Questions may be directed to the webmaster at contests@literotica.com. Questions may be referred to the moderators.
8. This contest is sponsored by Literotica.com. Literotica.com claims no liability in the administration of this contest.

Check Point 5.
Guess you missed that.

That's why you need to read the Announcements in this thread too.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

Maybe Lauren should have added post #15 to the Rules thread, but then again, she probably thought that most people would be smart enough to figure out if she as a moderator posted something in the News & Announcements about submissions that it would be applicable to whatever they are planning to submit to the contest.

But that doesn't fit into your "I was cheated out of the contest" scenario, so you don't bother to give it any credence.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Check Point 5.
Guess you missed that.

Hello! McFly!

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Maybe Lauren should have added post #15 to the Rules thread, but then again, she probably thought that most people would be smart enough to figure out if she as a moderator posted something in the News & Announcements about submissions that it would be applicable to whatever they are planning to submit to the contest.

But that doesn't fit into your "I was cheated out of the contest" scenario, so you don't bother to give it any credence.

Oh, that's why I couldn't find the rules about "stand alone" stories and "multi-chapter" stories not being allowed in the 2008 Survivor Contest. It was because there is no rule. Now, that explains why there is a "new" rule in the 2009 Survivor Contest, huh?

Fucking annoying, aren't I? Not as fucking annoying as you people have been assholes to me.

So...which is it? As contestants are we supposed to go by the official rules of the 2008 Survivor Contest or are we suppose to watch for any posting that the moderator makes and add that as an addendum to the rules. I don't think that's legal or ethical. That really smells fishy to me.

I don't get this. I mean, either you have a contest that has official rules or you...make them up as you go along to punish a certain contestant, namely me.

What the fuck!

This is outrageous. But, hey, I just write stories. I'm just a writer. I don't make the rules and I thought that I was going by the rules when I read the "official" fucking rules of the 2008 Survivor Contest. I didn't know Lauren made new rules whenever she made a post. Wow, I didn't know she had that kind of power.

"I didn't receive the fucking memo!"

I like that line. I think I'll use it in one of my stories. Shit, I forgot, I won't be writing any more stories for this site. I'm tired of writing for free and then to be abused.

To all my fellow Survivor participants, I'm doing this for you. I don't give a shit about me. I don't give a shit about this fucking contest. I don't care about the money. I'm fighting your battle. I have nothing to lose here.

This is how they run these contests. It's all over the Internet how Literotica does not have fair contests. You can see if here for yourself, CrimsonMaiden just stated that the rule that supposedly states that all stories must be "stand alone" are not eligible and that all "multi-chapter" stories are not eligible.

"Did anyone receive the memo? Was anyone forewarned of an official change in rules? Were the rules updated and I just didn't see the update?"

But wait, here is it December 30, 2008, the contest is nearly over and the rules...no way...are still not updated. What the fuck kind of contest is this?

"You're out?"

"I'm out?"

"What are you talking about? That was a homerun."

"Nope, sorry, starting with your homerun, homeruns are not deemed outs."

"No way."

"Yep, we just changed the rules."

"Where is it printed that homeruns are outs?"

"It's not."

"Then, how can it be a rule?"

"Because as the umpire, I say so."

"Well, that sucks."

Then, the next batter on the oposing team hits a homerun.

"Homerun!"

"Homerun? What the fuck? That's an out."

"Nope, it's a homerun."

"I don't get it. How can that be a homerun for him when it was an out for me?"

"We just had a rule change?"

"Another rule change? But, you just changed the rules."

"We changed it because you hit a homerun."

"Well, that's not fair."

"We don't have to be fair. This is our contest."

This kind of sucks, don't you think?

 

[starrkers]

*AHEM*
From the Official Rules - the section you neglected to quote.

Miscellany

1. All entrants will be responsible for tracking their own progress through the Contest.
2. Entrants and winners retain copyright to all works submitted.
3. Sections 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11 of Official Monthly Contest Rules apply.
4. Plagiarism or cheating will result in expulsion from the Contest and potentially other actions taken by Literotica.
5. Rules are subject to change without notice.
6. Questions should be directed to the moderators. You may privately contact the moderators at any time by pressing the PM button at any of their posts.
7. Questions may be directed to the webmaster at contests@literotica.com. Questions may be referred to the moderators.
8. This contest is sponsored by Literotica.com. Literotica.com claims no liability in the administration of this contest.

Check Point 5.
Guess you missed that.

That's why you need to read the Announcements in this thread too.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Check Point 5.
Guess you missed that.

That's why you need to read the Announcements in this thread too.

What rule? Where is the rule? There's no rule on the "2008 Official Rules".

Moreover, if there was a supposed rule change for the 2008 contest, why all the discussion for the 2009 contest eliminating stories that aren't "stand alone" (what ever the fuck that is) and "multi-chapter stories".

I guess you missed that, huh?

Hey, either way, the "ploy" is to reduce my scorecard by so much to knock me down to 6th place.

So...go ahead. Better yet disqualify me from the contest for "cheating" because I followed the "posted" rules and not the "new" rule that was hidden away in Lauren's obsure post.

Tell me, why wasn't the rules changed? Why wasn't the new rule added? Why wasn't there a rule #15 that stated...Oh, by the way, since Bostonfictionwriter has lots of Multi-chapter stories and stories that we arbitrarily deem as not stand alone stories, multi-chapter stories and stories that are not stand alone stories are no longer accepted as eligible for Survivor.

If that's the case, then MungoPark should return his check. Yeah, this rule should pre-date any other rule. Seriously, this rule should change the outcome of every Survivor Contest.

Listen, a contest has rules and I abided by the rules that I read on the official Survivor Contest posting. Now, for you and whoever to come along and post...Oh, I guess we should have posted the new rule, rule #15, doesn't cut it.

It's a shame. It's a fiasco. This is wrong. You guys are all cheating. I'd be embarrassed. I implore every writer who writes for this site not to enter another contest. This is a ruse. These contests are fixed.

What else can I say. Even those who don't like me, must respect that this is shady.

If the shoe was on the other foot, Starrkers, you'd be the first one crying foul. Yet, because it's me, that's okay.

Hey, rules are rules. If you want to enforce this "new" phantom rule, this "new" and "revised" rule that doesn't appear on the "Official" Survivor scorecard, then I hope the moderators are going through every scorecard and deleting multi-chapter stories and stories that are not stand alone.

Or is this rule #15 a Bostonfictionwriter rule.

"Bostonfictionwriter cannot post any multi-chapter stories that are not stand alone and it is up to the moderators to arbitrarily deem which stories are not stand alone."

This is bullshit and you know it. You're no dumb broad, Starrkers. You have a brain in your head. You know that this isn't right. You know that this is wrong. Even CrimsonMaiden knows it's wrong.

My point in writing all these posts is hopefully those who write here will see how this site respects and treats those who write "free" stories for this site hoping to win a contest.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Maybe Lauren should have added post #15 to the Rules thread, but then again, she probably thought that most people would be smart enough to figure out if she as a moderator posted something in the News & Announcements about submissions that it would be applicable to whatever they are planning to submit to the contest.

But that doesn't fit into your "I was cheated out of the contest" scenario, so you don't bother to give it any credence.

You know this is wrong. You know that we all read the posted rules. There was no phantom rule #15 posted. If you're going to have a contest, you need to have rules and you need to state the rules and you shouldn't change the rules to suit who you want to win the contest.

Hey, I don't give a shit if you love me or hate me, wrong is wrong and this contest stinks to high Heaven. If I get flack from Laurel, if she bans me from this site, if every regular AH person hates me, so be it.

I'm right on this one. You guys are the underhanded villians. You may hurt me, but you are hurting yourselves more. Why would anyone enter another one of your fixed contests? Why would any writer write another story for this site.

Go ahead and lower my scorecard. I'm not done. I have money to burn. It's the principle with me. I'm the self-righteous man. I don't lie. I don't cheat. I don't like being lied to and I don't like being cheated.

This entire site is a lie. When the owner of the site allows so many posters to have so many multiple identities that you have no idea who is who, when the owner of this site allows fellow writers to bash other writers' works, when the owner of the site allows fixed contests, then this is not a site that I or any writer wants to continuing writing stories for.

I implore all writers to read what is going on here and to decide for yourselves. It doesn't matter if you like me or respect me or not. After all your hard work posting stories for the 2009 Survivor Contest, this could be you next year.

I'm ashamed of you Starrkers. I though you had principles. I thought better of you. Now, I know.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

I've already told you once that there were numerous chaptered submissions from various participants that did not stand alone, but I can't get it through your head that it applies to everyone and not just you.

I'm sure the full list has been forwarded to Laurel and it will be up to her whether or not to move anything around. It's what you don't seem to understand. Lauren nor I can change anything in your submission list. We can only make recommendations to Laurel about submissions we feel don't meet the criteria. It's Laurel's decision whether or not to do anything about it.

Edited to add: How are we being underhanded by posting something in plain sight in the News & Announcements thread? It's stickied for a reason... because it's important to read.

And now I'm done. Really this time, I am done. I'm not responding to anything else you post because it doesn't make any difference. You're a hard head who doesn't listen to reason, and I'm not wasting any more of my time with you. I've wasted too much already.

 

[starrkers]

What rule? Where is the rule? There's no rule on the "2008 Official Rules".

Moreover, if there was a supposed rule change for the 2008 contest, why all the discussion for the 2009 contest eliminating stories that aren't "stand alone" (what ever the fuck that is) and "multi-chapter stories".

Oh for crying out loud, you obtuse git

5. Rules are subject to change without notice.

is in the Official Rules. Near the bottom, under Miscellany.'
Therefore

Each individual submission you make should go into the category it actually corresponds to. Each individual submission should be able to stand on its own in that category, even if it part of a multi-chapter series. That is the key element. Multi-chapter stories should always be series of stories capable of standing alone. They should not be a larger story simply split into small parts without autonomy. If that is the case, then all those parts should go into the Novels & Novellas category only.

From Post #15 of this thread is a valid rule. It was posted on January 9, giving all contestants full notice of its effect. It was not cooked up at the 11th hour to "cheat" anyone out of a prize. It has been a rule for the entire contest.

eta January 9 refers to my time - GMT +10. It may be January 8 your time, which leaves even less time for contestants to have been inconvenienced.

 

[michchick98]

Okay, in case your reading comprehension has failed, it was POST NUMBER FIFTEEN on THIS thread, not rule fifteen, you dim-witted moron.

Here, click the link: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=25569527&postcount=15

It's dated January 8, 2008. JANUARY EIGHTH. TWO THOUSAND EIGHT. The post hasn't been edited or changed AT ALL since JANUARY EIGHTH TWO THOUSAND EIGHT.

And one more time, in case you still didn't get it:

READ POST NUMBER FIFTEEN ON THIS THREAD!

IT WAS POSTED JANUARY EIGHTH TWO THOUSAND EIGHT.

IT HAS NEVER BEEN EDITED.

But of course, you'll see what you want to see and hurl more insults my way. Bring it on, sister.

 

[starrkers]

Boston: for the last time READ THE RULES.

ALL OF THE RULES.

If the shoe was on the other foot, Starrkers, you'd be the first one crying foul. Yet, because it's me, that's okay.

No, I wouldn't and I'm not. I joined this contest too. The rule applies to me. But you'll see all my (pitiful in number) entries abide by ALL the rules here. You know why?
Because I made sure I read all the rules before I signed up and regularly checked this thread to keep abreast of any changes.

There is no conspiracy against you, there is no foul and dastardly plot.

It is all on record, time and date stamped in plain view for all to see.

I really hope you don't you sign contracts with the same laissez faire attitude you take to contests. Who knows what you're signing away with the fine print?

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Boston: for the last time READ THE RULES.

ALL OF THE RULES.


No, I wouldn't and I'm not. I joined this contest too. The rule applies to me. But you'll see all my (pitiful in number) entries abide by ALL the rules here. You know why?
Because I made sure I read all the rules before I signed up and regularly checked this thread to keep abreast of any changes.

There is no conspiracy against you, there is no foul and dastardly plot.

It is all on record, time and date stamped in plain view for all to see.

I really hope you don't you sign contracts with the same laissez faire attitude you take to contests. Who knows what you're signing away with the fine print?

I can't read the rules if the rules aren't listed. I repeat, no where in the rules, the Official 2008 Survivor Rules, does it state that all stories must be stand alone. No where in the Official 2008 Survivor Rules does it state that multi-chapter stories are not allowed.

There are no rules that state that. I read and reread the rules. Anything that is not listed in the Official 2008 Survivor Rules is not a rule but a thread post. Thread posts are not rules unless they update the Survivor Rules and are listed in the Survivor Rules with a corresponding number or a paragraph reads, these are the update rules.

You're not stupid Starrkers. You know that I'm right. You're just playing their stooge so that "they" don't have to interface with me.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

There are no rules that state that. I read and reread the rules. Anything that is not listed in the Official 2008 Survivor Rules is not a rule but a thread post.

The rules state that the rules can change at any time.

Which means, they can change and/or be clarified in a moderator's thread post.

Deal.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

The rules state that the rules can change at any time.

Which means, they can change and/or be clarified in a moderator's thread post.

Deal.

A rule is not a rule if it is not listed in the "Official 2008 Survivor Rules".

Now, if there was such a rule or ruling, why wasn't the "Official 2008 Survivor Rules" updated. Why wasn't rule #15 added?

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Hey, I've read the "Official Survivor Rules for 2008" and there is nothing about stories needing to be stand alone. There is nothing about multi-chapter stories not eligible.

Yet, according to the moderators the "Official Survivor Rules for 2008" are not the rules. The "Official Surivor Rules for 2008" includes obsure thread posts by moderators.

So, I ask you, why wasn't the "Official Survivor Rules for 2008" updated.

Now, I've been viligent in updating my scorecard and no one, no moderator, no fellow competitor has claimed foul when viewing my scorecard, a scorecard that has been view more than 2,800 times when they saw that my scorecard included multi-chapter stories with stories that arbitrarily in your judgement do not stand alone.

Why the fuss over the "Official 2009 Survivor Rules"? Why are you making sure that the 2009 rules include the part about all stories must be stand alone and multi-chapter stories are not allowed when it isn't noted in the official 2008 Survivor rules?

This is just your way to cheat me out of another contest.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Anybody who says anything negative about Crim's ass, especially when it is almost visible through those lacy panties, is truly an idiot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Selena_Kitt

Crim darling, I love your ass.

Thanks

You are completely welcome, Crim. Thank you for posting that AV. Your ass is one of the scenic wonders of the world! It should be considered a national treasure! It is one of the main reasons I spend more time on this site and less time writing than I should.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Okay, in case your reading comprehension has failed, it was POST NUMBER FIFTEEN on THIS thread, not rule fifteen, you dim-witted moron.

Here, click the link: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=25569527&postcount=15

It's dated January 8, 2008. JANUARY EIGHTH. TWO THOUSAND EIGHT. The post hasn't been edited or changed AT ALL since JANUARY EIGHTH TWO THOUSAND EIGHT.

And one more time, in case you still didn't get it:

READ POST NUMBER FIFTEEN ON THIS THREAD!

IT WAS POSTED JANUARY EIGHTH TWO THOUSAND EIGHT.

IT HAS NEVER BEEN EDITED.

But of course, you'll see what you want to see and hurl more insults my way. Bring it on, sister.

Go fuck yourself, you fucking bitch.

 

[michchick98]

A rule is not a rule if it is not listed in the "Official 2008 Survivor Rules".

Now, if there was such a rule or ruling, why wasn't the "Official 2008 Survivor Rules" updated. Why wasn't rule #15 added?

Please tell me you're not that stupid.

Give it up girls, he won't get it. His reading comprehension is less than zero.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Why bother posting Survivor Contest rules when all the rules are not listed?

Why wasn't the rules updated?

Because you knew that I would go by the Official Survivor Contest rules.

 

[starrkers]

I can't read the rules if the rules aren't listed. I repeat, no where in the rules, the Official 2008 Survivor Rules, does it state that all stories must be stand alone. No where in the Official 2008 Survivor Rules does it state that multi-chapter stories are not allowed.

There are no rules that state that. I read and reread the rules. Anything that is not listed in the Official 2008 Survivor Rules is not a rule but a thread post. Thread posts are not rules unless they update the Survivor Rules and are listed in the Survivor Rules with a corresponding number or a paragraph reads, these are the update rules.

You're not stupid Starrkers. You know that I'm right. You're just playing their stooge so that "they" don't have to interface with me.

No, I'm not that stupid, but it seems you are trying to appear boneheaded.

The official rules state that rules may be changed without notice.

On January 8 (or 9 depending on your timezone) a rule stating that multi-chapter stories must be stand alone was instituted. It was a CHANGE IN THE RULES.
There is no rule saying multi-chapter stories are not allowed in 2008 becase they ARE allowed, but they must tell a full story in their own right. They must be autonomous - making full sense without needing other chapters around them.

You can shout till you're blue that the rule wasn't in the Official rules, it doesn't matter. The changing of rules is allowed. A change was made. It was announced on the thread for Discussion and Announcements. It is there in plain sight for all to see.

Bluster all you want, but the rule has been in place since January.

That you failed to see it is your problem, not mine, not anyone else's.

A reminder of its existence was posted about six weeks ago. That should have given you ample time to correct any problems any of your stories may have had fitting in with the rule.

Instead of using that time for that purpose, you began blustering and bellowing about "cheats". Seems to me the only cheat is you - you failed to abide by clearly written rules and have been desperately trying to bluff your way past them ever since.

Tough.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

No, I'm not that stupid, but it seems you are trying to appear boneheaded.

The official rules state that rules may be changed without notice.

On January 8 (or 9 depending on your timezone) a rule stating that multi-chapter stories must be stand alone was instituted. It was a CHANGE IN THE RULES.
There is no rule saying multi-chapter stories are not allowed in 2008 becase they ARE allowed, but they must tell a full story in their own right. They must be autonomous - making full sense without needing other chapters around them.

You can shout till you're blue that the rule wasn't in the Official rules, it doesn't matter. The changing of rules is allowed. A change was made. It was announced on the thread for Discussion and Announcements. It is there in plain sight for all to see.

Bluster all you want, but the rule has been in place since January.

That you failed to see it is your problem, not mine, not anyone else's.

A reminder of its existence was posted about six weeks ago. That should have given you ample time to correct any problems any of your stories may have had fitting in with the rule.

Instead of using that time for that purpose, you began blustering and bellowing about "cheats". Seems to me the only cheat is you - you failed to abide by clearly written rules and have been desperately trying to bluff your way past them ever since.

Tough.

Sorry, but they have a list of Official Survivor Rules for 2008, which they constantly and continually announce everyone to read. No where did anyone mention, read the Official Survivor Rules for 2008 and then go through all the posts that moderators make and read those to see if there are any rule changes.

What the Fuck? Are you kidding me?

If rules are not listed in the official rules, then...they are not rules.

 

[starrkers]

No, I'm not kidding you. Nor is anyone else. That's the way the contest has always run. Doesn't seem to have caused a problem for anyone else.

But of course, if you admit the rule is valid, you have to admit you're cheating. So it can't be a valid rule.

Sorry pal, everyone works under the same rules, no special dispensation for someone who doesn't bother to read them.

 

[sr71plt]

You mean there are miscellaneous rules running around for this contest that aren't incorporated in the official rules posted? And how would someone starting in the contest in February know that? Surely there's more to this than that. Otherwise . . . wow.

What am I missing?

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

You mean there are miscellaneous rules running around for this contest that aren't incorporated in the official rules posted? And how would someone starting in the contest in February know that? Surely there's more to this than that. Otherwise . . . wow.

What am I missing?

Did you pay attention to the title of the thread you just posted in? That happens to be stickied to the top of this forum? That talks about rules in the first post?

 

[sr71plt]

Did you pay attention to the title of the thread you just posted in? That happens to be stickied to the top of this forum? That talks about rules in the first post?

I'm just reacting to the discussion. It seems simple enough. BFW is saying that the chapter business isn't in the official rules posted and the responses to him aren't claiming the rule is in the official rules. Seems a straightforward answer would clear that up. This contest really sounds convoluted--and a little screwy, frankly. It certainly is promoting a lot of spitting.