2011 Survivor: Off Topic & Chatting Thread

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Since there wasn't much of a contest for 2011, there are those who doubt that there will be a Survivor's Contest for 2012.

Yet, think about it. Because we writers must write, because writing is our passion, we writers write for free.

How else will Literotica fill unpopular categories, such as Letters & Transcripts, Chain Stories, How To, Reviews and Essays, Non-Erotic, and Text with Audio, than having a Survivor's Contest for 2012?

The suggestions that I have are the same suggestions that I've had since 2008 and that have gone ignored.

1. I'd like to see the minimum word count of 1,500 words. Otherwise, we run the risk of people abusing the contest by people posting 750 random words and calling them stories. Now, Boxlicker claims that I'm the king of the 800 word story, yet, he's never shown me all the supposed 800 word stories that I never wrote.

The Queen of the 800 word story is PrincessErin and the King of the 800 word story is MungoPark shared with BakeBoss. I don't write 800 word stories. Do the math, having written more than 6 million words with more than 900 stories, 800 word stories would add up to a mere 720,000 words. Duh!

2. I'd like to see the scorecards updated no later than 1 week after their story posted, otherwise, just as we do with immunities, you lose the right to post that story.

Sandbagging is another unfair way to win the contest. Just once, I'd like to have a fair contest, where everyone regularly updates their scorecard, so that someone doesn't emerge from the dark and dump 100, eight hundred word stories in the last week of December.

3. I'd like to have Literotica give every participate free Literotica tee shirts, blue for the men and pink for the women, baseball caps, coffee mugs, and keychains.

4. Being that we receive a fraction of a penny for every word we write, that is, if we win the contest, as a way to attract more participants, I'd like to see Literotica raise the first place prize from $500 to $1,000 with second place $500, third $250, and so on.

Like them or not, those are my suggestions.

Merry Christmas to everyone.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[Boxlicker101]

Ah now I understand.

That makes perfect sense then considering the point system is different for that category anyways.

So what you are proposing is that the first novel in that category would be 6 points, the second and following would be 3 points. Each submission would be 7500 words.

You can post as many novels in that category as you want therefore the cap system would not exist in that category. Of course that meant that if you used an immunity for that category it would be for the WHOLE category, not just one cap level.

Not quite. The first submission would be worth six points, as it has been, and each subsequent one would be worth two points, also as it has been. However, as long as all submissions are chapters in the same novel, there would be no limit to the number of chapters that could be posted. As now, each chapter would have to include at least 7,500 words.

Anybody choosing to post a novel that is more than three chapters long in the category would not be able to score on anything else in the category, either first cap or second cap or third cap. If somebody fills the first cap by posting three novellas or a three part novel, that person could then, if all the other first caps were filled, start posting more chapters or novellas for score in the second cap.

As for immunities, they would not change. If a person has three submissions in the category and has filled all other categories, that person could use an immunity for Novels and Novellas second cap. If that person has four chapters of the same story posted, immunities could not be used for subsequent caps.

I want to emphasize that anything posted to the category for score must be at least 7,500 words.

And, even above that, I want to emphasize there may not be a contest in 2012 and, if there is, I have no reason to believe I will be a monitor of it, so this whole process may be an exercise in futility.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[Boxlicker101]

Yes I did make a mistake about the number of points for the second submission but I was typing out what BFW was suggesting in that there should be NO caps for that category.

In any case you are right that from what I've heard this is the last year for this contest.

I haven't heard anything definite, but I would not be at all surprised if this is the last year of the contest. In fact, this year's contest might even be canceled, but That would be a surprise.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Here are unofficial scores so far in the contest. This is almost certainly not complete, because there are probably some contestants who are keeping their scores a secret and will post them on the last day of the year. This is a list of all those who have a scorecard and/or are posting some or all their scores publicly:

Super Hero Ralph: 267 points.
Boxlicker101: 191 points
Kaishaku: 35 points.
Noira: 31 points.
Tara Neale: 26 points.
Lady Eryka: 10 points.
lostchicken: 9 points.
oOScarletWingsOo: 8 points.
theravenfox: 8 points.
Al Ussa: 5 points.
Odax: 0 points.
afternoondelight: 0 points.
veronica james: 0 points.
DecadentAngel: 0 points.

This will be the last time I will be posting the scores until 9PM PST on January 4, 2012, which is midnight EST. At that time, unless somebody beats me to it, I will be posting the final recorded scores in the contest. I'm virtually certain some people are sandbagging, which is legal, but if those people post stories or poems AFTER that cutoff time and date, they will not be counted in the final score. The scoresheets will show the time and date they were last edited, which would be when additional entries were made.

Some of the recorded stories may be disqualified for one reason or another. I will look over what has been posted and make recommendations, which might or might not be accepted by Laurel or the official monitors.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The 750 wps is a fine limit. Sure there are people who take advantage of it and there always will be but it seems like in most years the winner of this contest are decided so early that it doesn't really much matter. My biggest gripe is the sequel rule that isn't sure how things go and is so ill defined that it's just annoying rather than effective.

I'll start by saying that I admit that I don't think we should have authors writing one 750,000 word story and ripping that down into a few hundred stories. That does clearly violate the spirit of the series but when nobody can clearly define how many stories make the Rocky series or the Matrix things get foggy. If Rocky is 6 stories that focus on the same charachter and build on his relationships but are not sequels (per the dq in the rules) that's fine. But then I'm just going to write that story. Then replace Rocky with, Brock, The Rock, Stone Cold, Ice Pick, Mike Tyson, Tyke Bison and Mr. Dream and since there are no other links they'll pass the test. (which personalyl would be my rule. If you copy and pasted the names out would the story still make sense?) You couldn't for example start the Matrix with the third movie. You'd be utterly and completely lost, not only to who Neo is (that's adequately defined in the first ten minutes of the second movie even if you only understand that he's the anomoly) but why he's trapped in the Matrix, why there is this guy with hundreds of clones of him, why Zion's under attack, etc etc) You swap the names there and at beast your audiance peices it together.

I also don't think we should be forced to make up new charachters, particularly not when making up new charachters is as easy as pallette swapping names. I'd probably like Seth Rogan (Pineapple Express, Knocked Up, Zach & Mirri) if he played the same charachter like Jay n Silent Bob, specially since he PLAYS THE SAME CHARACHTER!

I've been in this contest actively and in for years. There aren't enough sand baggers to panic over. Setting a rule for once every three months is more than sufficient. Personally I feel the immunity rule is too strict particularly now as it robs you of points if you were to ever find yourself in a competitive situation of any sort.

2011 was rough on everybody, and it shows. That's why nobody wrote anything. That's why our score keeper was out most of the year. That's just how it was. I hope we get a 2012 though I guess the lack of a thread up for it is kinda telling.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[Boxlicker101]

Not to be snarky but I'm in a mood tonight.

I hope this is the last year and then BFW/SHR or whatever the fuck his name is will win and then he can spend the next 10 years going on about how the moment 'they' found out he won they had to cancel the contest to make sure it never happened again.

FYI Kaishaku has about 151 points putting her in third place in front of Noira and Tara Neale. Unless I counted wrong that makes me in 6th place and I am already planning on what book to buy with my gift certificate (Power of Six by Pittacus Lore).

Erin

Even as I was looking up the posted scores and listing them in the post above, I was reasonably sure there are people sandbagging. However, I did not go to anybody's index page to check up on them.

Freddie and Sean, as long as a story is accepted by Lit., I don't believe it should be omitted from the score just because it is of minimal length. It's not for me to say, at least not that I know, but that's my opinion.

Freddie, it would be nice if Lit. offered more prize money and gave away coffee cups, etc., but I don't expect it to happen. I don't believe I have ever accused you of being "The king of the 800 word story" but, if you look over your index, you will see the first bunch of submissions are described as 750 to 1,000 word stories. And that's how long they are.

I would also like to see competitors updating their scoresheets regularly, but I would not like the idea of punishing those who don't. Usually, I update mine as soon as something posts. The exception to that would be when I defy Scouries and have more than one entry in a theme contest and delay updating until I know which one will be posted as the contest entry and which will be listed in categories.

Sean, what you are describing when you write about Rocky and Brock and The Rock et. al. are template stories, which are already against the rules. This would be posting essentially the same story except for changing the names of the characters.

I hope there will be a contest for 2012. However, whether there is or not, I will continue to write dirty stories and post them. The difference will be that I will eschew some categories I don't care for, such as Audible Stories, Letters & Transcripts and some others.

 

[leondreamer]

I hope this is on in 2012

I didn't enter last year, and I sort of faded away in 2010, but I am kinda hoping there is a Survivor 2012.
Or maybe some other format, though I have no idea what.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sean, what you are describing when you write about Rocky and Brock and The Rock et. al. are template stories, which are already against the rules. This would be posting essentially the same story except for changing the names of the characters.

Except Rocky I-VI are not template stories.

Rocky I: Some nobody ascends from the streets to challenge the best in the world and loses.
Rocky II: A former number 1 contender gets a rematch against the champ and wins.
Rocky III: The champ finds out he's been protected and gets challenged for the first time since he won the championship. Trains with former champ.
Rocky IV: The champ's best friend gets killed. He travels abroad
Rocki V: The champ trains a kid who he sees a lot of himself in. Kid turns out to be a punk
Rocky VI: A retired champ sees one more chance at glory and takes it.

Those are template stories by any realistic stretch of the imagination. They aren't really even chapters. They are sequels but the rules for survivor are so loosely defined that if you want to knock 5 (or more) points off my score you can accuse me of chapters unless I right.

From rags to riches: Some nobody asceneds. (Rocky)
Once more, from the top: A former #1 gets a rematch (Brock)
A challenger rises: A champ finds out he's a chump (The rock)
Around the world in 90 punches: A rip roaring rampage of revenge (Stone Cold)
Blood of my blood: An old guy trains a new champion. (Tyke Bison)
Once more with feeling: A retired champion returns for one last shot. (Ice Pick)

The stories stand alone just fine and they aren't just mad-libs there is a beginning middle, and an end. Just like there are to hundreds of Batman stories written over the years.

I don't think there are a lot of sandbaggers this year, if for no other reason than the scoreboard has been so poorly kept up with this year (not complaining, simply stating) that sandbagging while encouraging others not to enough that you know about how much to hold back would be difficult. But we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Except Rocky I-VI are not template stories.

Rocky I: Some nobody ascends from the streets to challenge the best in the world and loses.
Rocky II: A former number 1 contender gets a rematch against the champ and wins.
Rocky III: The champ finds out he's been protected and gets challenged for the first time since he won the championship. Trains with former champ.
Rocky IV: The champ's best friend gets killed. He travels abroad
Rocki V: The champ trains a kid who he sees a lot of himself in. Kid turns out to be a punk
Rocky VI: A retired champ sees one more chance at glory and takes it.

Those are template stories by any realistic stretch of the imagination. They aren't really even chapters. They are sequels but the rules for survivor are so loosely defined that if you want to knock 5 (or more) points off my score you can accuse me of chapters unless I right.

From rags to riches: Some nobody asceneds. (Rocky)
Once more, from the top: A former #1 gets a rematch (Brock)
A challenger rises: A champ finds out he's a chump (The rock)
Around the world in 90 punches: A rip roaring rampage of revenge (Stone Cold)
Blood of my blood: An old guy trains a new champion. (Tyke Bison)
Once more with feeling: A retired champion returns for one last shot. (Ice Pick)

The stories stand alone just fine and they aren't just mad-libs there is a beginning middle, and an end. Just like there are to hundreds of Batman stories written over the years.

I don't think there are a lot of sandbaggers this year, if for no other reason than the scoreboard has been so poorly kept up with this year (not complaining, simply stating) that sandbagging while encouraging others not to enough that you know about how much to hold back would be difficult. But we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think you misunderstood me, or I misunderstood what you said in your previous post. The Rocky series is definitely a story with a number of sequels, and would be accepted as such, rather than as chapters. At least, that's my opinion, but Crimson Maiden might have seen them as chapters in a long story.

Batman is a good example of a series of stories featuring the same characters. I might read one about Batman and Robin battling the Joker and read another a week later about the same archenemy. Both stories would be different, although about the same characters, and would be accepted as individual entries in the contest, if I had my choice.

I did not realize you were comparing the Rocky movies to professional rasslers.

I don't know how many sandbaggers we have this year. Princess Erin pointed out one, besides herself, and there may be many more, since so many contestants were not issued official scoresheets. As long as they have their scoresheets publicly posted, either on the Survivors' Series forum or some other thread, and this is done no later than nine PM, PST on January 1, they should be alright. If they don't post the stories and poems they are holding back until later than that, the submissions will not be counted. This is strictly my opinion, and it is unofficial, but it is in accordance with the rules that were posted almost a year ago.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't remember which stories but in the last three years I've had a number of stories get rejected that I thought constituted sequels not chapters. I wasn't so much comparing them to wrestlers as I was pointing out that Rocky I-VI have every chance of getting rejected as chapters not sequels but I can swap the names and avoid any chance of that. I shouldn't have to but there it is.

Still hopefully looking forward to 2012 but there hasn't even been a discussion for it. That's not looking good.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I don't remember which stories but in the last three years I've had a number of stories get rejected that I thought constituted sequels not chapters. I wasn't so much comparing them to wrestlers as I was pointing out that Rocky I-VI have every chance of getting rejected as chapters not sequels but I can swap the names and avoid any chance of that. I shouldn't have to but there it is.

Still hopefully looking forward to 2012 but there hasn't even been a discussion for it. That's not looking good.

In the last two or so years, Crimson Maiden had rather stringent ideas as to what constituted chapters, as opposed to sequels. You're right; she would have rejected all the stories in the Rocky series, and probably everything about Batman and Robin. I don't know if she will be involved in any kind of judging or anything else after the deadline for entries closes.

There hasn't been any official discussion, because only a monitor or Laurel can start a thread on this forum. I can't, so I have tried to start a discussion on this existing thread.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Whether we have a Survivor's contest for 2012 or not, whether I win the 2011 Survivor contest as SuperHeroRalph or not, the fact that we were all denied a moderator has taken away much of the fun of having a contest.

Since we all write for free here, a little respect for what we have contributed to this site as writers would go a long way in making all of us feel appreciated.

Had there been a moderator moderating this contest to assign scorecards and answer questions, I suspect there may have been more participants vying to win the contest. Now there's just a hopeless malaise.

When correctly run, without chapter stories, without 750 random word stories that have no character development or plot, and without someone allowed to dump 200 stories in the last two months of the contest, this could be a fun contest.

No matter if Literotica decides not to have another Survivor contest, no matter if I win or lose, I've done what I had to do. I wrote my stories.

I'd like to thank Literotica for giving all of us writers a place to showcase our stories and for hosting such a contest. I sincerely hope that they continue to have these contests. I had fun.

Boxlicker has generously offered to moderate any future contest and I have always experessed my interests in volunteering my time in helping to be part of the Literotica family.

Happy New Year. May everyone get what they have wished for, as I have in becoming a better writer. God Bless.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Since we aren't really doing it now, if we get a contest next year I hope even as it's going on we get to spend at least a few weeks discussing changes we'd like that clearly won't happen but it makes me feel better to know I at least said something in the official venue.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

You're crazy about me, Erin?

Thank you, I think, Erin. I'm flattered that you're crazy about me, a little, not really, not at all.

I should have known that you're crazy about me, after discovering that you still continue to write about me and attack me in your blog.

The truth of the matter is that you're a man, a baker, BakeBoss, actually, so I hope you won't be offended when I don't return your affection.

Now, perhaps, instead of writing the word respect I should have written common courtesy, when referencing Literotica's and the moderator's deplorable behavior in the handling of the 2011 Survivor contest.

Yet, what more should I expect, after being cheated out of winning the 2007 & 2008 Survivor contest?

By the way, Erin, I will understand if you don't understand the concept of common courtesy, as you have none, along with commonsense for that matter, after I allowed you to win the 2008 Survivor contest and you didn't even so much as thank me. Instead, you continue to attack me.

Allow me to remind you that I had been leading the 2008 Survivor contest for 11 months, until you sent me a frantic PM begging me not to post any more stories and to allow you to win the contest.

Do you remember that, Erin? Do you remember writing that you just had a baby and your husband was out of work and your car broke down. You wrote that $500 would allow you to fix your car. Do you remember writting that, Erin? Or have you forgotten.

Maybe it was all a big joke. Maybe you are a man. Maybe you never had a baby, a husband, or a disabled car and the good guy that I was, got played. Is that it, Erin?

I still have the PM, in case you forgot, honey.

Imagine how stupid I felt, when I discovered you were a man (lol).

Now here you are writing your stupidity for all to see what an ass you are.

Listen, BakeBoss, we all write for free here. We all deserve respect and common courtesy, especially, when Literotica sponsers a contest and we all show up to play. Only, the moderator runs off and Literotica doesn't show us enough respect and common courtesy to replace her.

Perhaps, they should have cancelled the contest months ago. I dunno. Perhaps, this will be the last Survivor contest. And if that is the case, then it's a shame.

Now, unless you have something intelligent to post, please stop attacking me and making a fool of yourself. Otherwise, I will post your PM and show everyone the selfish thieving, conniving cunt that you really are.

Happy New Year, Erin. I hope you drive drunk and get arrested.

 

[sr71plt]

I'll have to agree with Freddie here. The profitability of this website is based on the story content being posted here. The authors who provide that content do, I think, deserve respect and consideration for providing the basis of profit to the site owners/administrators.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Laurel makes money from the site (presumably) so she does owe a certain amount of courtesy, at least, to the authors who write here and make it possible. At the same time, we authors have a place to post our work and possibly manage to sell some of it or get it published and make a few bucks, or a lot of bucks from it. We also have a place to go and chew the rag and dish the dirt and shoot the bull so, for both these reasons, we owe Laurel a certain amount of courtesy too. In other words, Lit. is mutually beneficial for us and her.

Apparently there will be a contest next year, because there is now a discussion thread for it. Crimson Maiden dropped in briefly to show off her lace panties and start the thread.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

I'll have to agree with Freddie here. The profitability of this website is based on the story content being posted here. The authors who provide that content do, I think, deserve respect and consideration for providing the basis of profit to the site owners/administrators.

Thank you, Sr71plt and may 2012 be a prolific and profitable year for you.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Laurel makes money from the site (presumably) so she does owe a certain amount of courtesy, at least, to the authors who write here and make it possible. At the same time, we authors have a place to post our work and possibly manage to sell some of it or get it published and make a few bucks, or a lot of bucks from it. We also have a place to go and chew the rag and dish the dirt and shoot the bull so, for both these reasons, we owe Laurel a certain amount of courtesy too. In other words, Lit. is mutually beneficial for us and her.

Apparently there will be a contest next year, because there is now a discussion thread for it. Crimson Maiden dropped in briefly to show off her lace panties and start the thread.

Happy New Year, Box. If it is what you truly want, I hope Literotica makes you the new moderator. You've always been honest and fair. Besides, more than most, having particpated and won a prize in 8 consecutive Survivor contests, you know the rules.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[LOAnnie2]

Okay, this makes me sad, I wish I would have paid better attention this year. Only published one story, but it looks like if I had signed up for it this year that would have been enough for a gift certificate.

Fuck!

 

[PrincessErin]

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