2012 Survivor Discussion Thread

[SuperHeroRalph]

"Twinkle, twinkle little star, I wish we could all stop talking about chapter stories."

Something that was demonized in 2009 because I wrote so many chapter stories in 2007 to keep up with Mungo Park dumping 200 stories on the site the last two months of the contest.

Then, in 2008, I had to post more chapter stories because PrincessErin posted so very many 750-1,000 nonsensical chapter stories with no plot and no character development.

With more than 6 million words posted on the site and more than 900 stories, a 6,000 word average, I never posted a 750 word chapter story or any 750 word story in a Survivor contest. I even wrote a parody mocking Mungo Park and PrincessErin, entitled 750 word stories and, even then all my stories were more than 750 words, more around 1,200 words.

Yet, somehow, chapter stories were blamed on me, the second place Survivor contest winner in 2007 and 2008, and not the Survivor contest winner, Mungo Park in 2007 and not the Survivor contest winner PrincessErin in 2008. Go figure.

Now here we are 3 long years later still talking about chapter stories. Moreover the one person blamed for chapter stories is the one person who doesn't want chapter stories. Go figure.

Now here's the thing. If you are all fool enough to make a new rule to allow chapter stories and if I compete in the 2011 Survivor contest, I'm going to take advantage of that rule and dump lots of chapter stories. Also, not naming who they are, there are some new writers on the site who have lots and lots of chapter stories.

So, let's do us all a favor and not allow chapter stories. Everything was working swell for the past two years. For those of you who cannot think of anything else to write but a chapter story lump all the chapters together, all 30,000 words and submit it as one story, as I have done with a few 30,000 word stories, 9 Literotica pages.

If we allow chapter stories, Scouries will join Survivor this year and write a manifesto of incestuous sex between his father groaning, mother moaning, sister screaming please don't, and brother watching all the action to, no doubt, win the contest.

Is that what you want? Do you want Scouries to be the 2011 Survivor contest winner (lol) just because you allowed chapter stories?

It pains me to write this but (gulp), I'd rather have a Republican president in the White House (God help us all) than to have the chapter story reinstated.

Well, let me know, one way of the other. Instead of writing separate stories, I have another dozen manuscripts that I can break into 2,000 word chapter stories. Surely, my contest story number will no doubt go from 80 to more than 300 as it was in 2007 and 2008.

God bless America, keep Scouries out of the contest, vote Democrat, and leave the chapter story rule as is.

Happy New Year

Lastly, PrincessErin, I couldn't help but notice that you posted your naked breasts as your avatar.

"Nice tits, Mister."

Was that your feeble attempt to make us all believe that you truly are a woman, instead of man?

Morever, does your mother know you stole the photo of her naked breasts and posted them on Literotica?

Now, there's an incest story that I'd like to read, BakeBoss Heats Up the Kitchen with Mommy.

"Wow."

 

[geronimo_appleby]

i may have time to give it a go in 2012.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

"Twinkle, twinkle little star, I wish we could all stop talking about chapter stories."

Something that was demonized in 2009 because I wrote so many chapter stories in 2007 to keep up with Mungo Park dumping 200 stories on the site the last two months of the contest.

Then, in 2008, I had to post more chapter stories because PrincessErin posted so very many 750-1,000 nonsensical chapter stories with no plot and no character development.

With more than 6 million words posted on the site and more than 900 stories, a 6,000 word average, I never posted a 750 word chapter story or any 750 word story in a Survivor contest. I even wrote a parody mocking Mungo Park and PrincessErin, entitled 750 word stories and, even then all my stories were more than 750 words, more around 1,200 words.

Yet, somehow, chapter stories were blamed on me, the second place Survivor contest winner in 2007 and 2008, and not the Survivor contest winner, Mungo Park in 2007 and not the Survivor contest winner PrincessErin in 2008. Go figure.

Now here we are 3 long years later still talking about chapter stories. Moreover the one person blamed for chapter stories is the one person who doesn't want chapter stories. Go figure.

Can't comment much on this because I really wasn't around writing all that much and didn't follow the contest. If however the chapters were grossly abused by anyone that's in the past and eh - life goes on.

Now here's the thing. If you are all fool enough to make a new rule to allow chapter stories and if I compete in the 2011 Survivor contest, I'm going to take advantage of that rule and dump lots of chapter stories. Also, not naming who they are, there are some new writers on the site who have lots and lots of chapter stories.

So, let's do us all a favor and not allow chapter stories. Everything was working swell for the past two years. For those of you who cannot think of anything else to write but a chapter story lump all the chapters together, all 30,000 words and submit it as one story, as I have done with a few 30,000 word stories, 9 Literotica pages.

If the system in play works great now, than I can see your point after you've outlined your reasons behind not wanting a chapter category. I still would like a larger cap on the Novel/Novelette section simply because I don't want a 9 Lit. page deep story. I prefer 4-5 pages, but 9 doesn't allow the time needed to finish it in one setting for some readers. It's all personal opinion, and I know stretching that cap to 5 would mean writers may have to write out a longer story than they were thinking - but again once things are hammered out I'll follow the rules and place all my chapters in 3 or 5 or place 12 and only count the 3 I can count unless all 35 categories are capped and I can start tossing the others out there for points. If I can't count them, I'm still going to post them for the readers. So 3 or 5 - I'm good - just offering my point of view for the discussion.

If we allow chapter stories, Scouries will join Survivor this year and write a manifesto of incestuous sex between his father groaning, mother moaning, sister screaming please don't, and brother watching all the action to, no doubt, win the contest.

Is that what you want? Do you want Scouries to be the 2011 Survivor contest winner (lol) just because you allowed chapter stories?

It pains me to write this but (gulp), I'd rather have a Republican president in the White House (God help us all) than to have the chapter story reinstated.

Well, let me know, one way of the other. Instead of writing separate stories, I have another dozen manuscripts that I can break into 2,000 word chapter stories. Surely, my contest story number will no doubt go from 80 to more than 300 as it was in 2007 and 2008.

God bless America, keep Scouries out of the contest, vote Democrat, and leave the chapter story rule as is.

Happy New Year

Lastly, PrincessErin, I couldn't help but notice that you posted your naked breasts as your avatar.

"Nice tits, Mister."

Was that your feeble attempt to make us all believe that you truly are a woman, instead of man?

Morever, does your mother know you stole the photo of her naked breasts and posted them on Literotica?

Now, there's an incest story that I'd like to read, BakeBoss Heats Up the Kitchen with Mommy.

"Wow."

Well, I would have snipped all of this because I really don't have much to say, but I know some folks don't like their posts being *snipped* and tossed away - so I just cut it up instead. I did change the text font/size because that number 4 size you like really bugs me.

 

[SuperHeroRalph]

Sorry, Red, maybe I need reading glasses but, no doubt, because I write so much, reading any size smaller than 4 gives me a headache.

Now, perhaps, if chapter stories were confined to Novels and Novellas and/or a new separate category called chapter stories, that may work. I kind of like that idea.

Me? I just go with the flow. Whatever the consensus decides is fine with me (lol). Never, ever will you read me complaining about anything around here (lol). Nope, not me.

I just write my stories and mind my own business. I don't bother anyone and I don't bother with anyone. It's just all about the story for me and nothing else. All I do is just write stories.

I may not even compete this year. I haven't decided that, yet.

What I'd really like to do is to bring back BOSTONFICTIONWRITER, but I'm afraid that I'd be even more horribly bashed as that character more than any other.

As the most prolific, albeit modest (lol), writer on the site, whatever everyone wants to do with changing the rules is fine with me. I'm easy (lol). I just adapt and conform. Really, an all around good Joe, I'm just a nice, swell, and friendly type of guy.

Happy New Year to you, RedHairedandFriendly

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Sorry, Red, maybe I need reading glasses but, no doubt, because I write so much, reading any size smaller than 4 gives me a headache.

Now, perhaps, if chapter stories were confined to Novels and Novellas and/or a new separate category called chapter stories, that may work. I kind of like that idea.

Me? I just go with the flow. Whatever the consensus decides is fine with me (lol). Never, ever will you read me complaining about anything around here (lol). Nope, not me.

I just write my stories and mind my own business. I don't bother anyone and I don't bother with anyone. It's just all about the story for me and nothing else. All I do is just write stories.

I may not even compete this year. I haven't decided that, yet.

What I'd really like to do is to bring back BOSTONFICTIONWRITER, but I'm afraid that I'd be even more horribly bashed as that character more than any other.

As the most prolific, albeit modest (lol), writer on the site, whatever everyone wants to do with changing the rules is fine with me. I'm easy (lol). I just adapt and conform. Really, an all around good Joe, I'm just a nice, swell, and friendly type of guy.

Happy New Year to you, RedHairedandFriendly

Happy New Year to you as well and I'll toss this up in "4" - but don't get used to it, I'll forget.

I'd say reading glasses may be the way to go. I turned 38 last year (seeing as today isn't my birthday - that's obvious) and in Feb. I had to get a pair of reading glasses so I could cross-stitch. Reading isn't as much an issue though I've pulled them out for a book or two, mostly though it is just for cross-stitching. I was a 20/20, now I'm 20/25. Very sad - I know. But I think sometimes they make me look sexy, sometimes they make me feel old - depends on my mood.

Anywho, I don't cause too much trouble either - or at least I don't think I do and I'll follow the rules as they are laid out. I too write, to write. The Survivor Contest for me will serve me the same as it did in 2006, I will set my mini-goals and go from there. In the end I'll see what happens and where I place. I'm only truly focused on Novels/Novelette because I sense many of my ideas are floating toward a lot longer pieces and the 5 chapter cap for that category is something I think should be considered.

 

[SuperHeroRalph]

If I'm being completely honest, I miss the way that the Survivor contest was back in 2008 with 10 stories allowed in each category. Boy, that was fun.

Ever since they made the cap rule, there's been less stories and less participation. I suspect that the rules may be a bit overdone and too confusing, as they are now.

Maybe we need to return to the 10 stories per category rule with 2 points for each immunity and a bonus not only when writing in all categories but also another bonus when filling each category with a tenth story.

Honestly, I loved the contest the way it was before all of the changes that happened in 2009. I say, we return the contest to how it was first started.

For me, with winners writing 300 plus stories, instead of a mere 80 stories to win the contest, the contest was more fun, more entertaining, and more competitive.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

If I'm being completely honest, I miss the way that the Survivor contest was back in 2008 with 10 stories allowed in each category. Boy, that was fun.

Ever since they made the cap rule, there's been less stories and less participation. I suspect that the rules may be a bit overdone and too confusing, as they are now.

Maybe we need to return to the 10 stories per category rule with 2 points for each immunity and a bonus not only when writing in all categories but also another bonus when filling each category with a tenth story.

Honestly, I loved the contest the way it was before all of the changes that happened in 2009. I say, we return the contest to how it was first started.

For me, with winners writing 300 plus stories, instead of a mere 80 stories to win the contest, the contest was more fun, more entertaining, and more competitive.

I came in 4th in 2006 and it was an enjoyable experience. I was a new writer and accomplished what I wanted, one story in every category. It was what Survivor was about for me. The opportunity to track my growth and to stretch my imagination.

I'll enjoy this one too, because I choose to do my mini-goals and not look at the big picture until the end. Slow and steady and all that.

Nice size.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[SuperHeroRalph]

I agree. In 2011 only 31 of the 48 participants had stories posted. Another 16 contestants only had 4-5 stories posted the whole year.
The problem is it's difficult to determine why such a low turn out this year and we can make guesses all we want but no one will know for sure.
With that said.. there is no guarantee that changing the rules back to what they were in 2008 will solve the problem of fewer and fewer people participating in this contest.

Erin

Thank you for your reply and Happy New Year, Princess.

Sadly, I suspect the interest of the contest waned with the disappearance of the moderator for whatever personal emergency she had. Still, not fair to Crimson to put her in such a spot, Literotica should have put another moderator in place to perserve the contest.

If we have a contest in 2012, Box has already shown his interest to moderate the contest and now that he's been chosen, perhaps, 2012 will be better than 2011, in regards to Survivor.

Perhaps, between you and I and others, we can return the Survivor contest to how it was. With all this nonsense of caps, in the way that the contest is now, caps interferes with what the contest was designed to be from the beginning.

The writer who writes the most stories in each category wins. Period.

Now, as much as I love track and field events, bear with me for a moment, I'm not a fan of the hurdle races. I compare hurdles to Survivor caps.

Preferring instead, I'd rather have a marathon, the year long event that the Survivor contest was supposed to be, without hurdles and caps.

I say we return the contest to the way that it was with 10 stories allowed in each category, bonus points for filling a category with 10 stories, bonus points for posting in all categories, and 2 points for each immunities won, the key word here.

It's nice to see you back taking your medication, Erin. You're wonderfully charming, when your on drugs. We used to be friends once and I, for one, would love to renew our friendship.

It's a New Year, my dear. Can we be friends again? Please? Here's a fruitcake as a sign of my good faith and loving effection for the woman behind the wall in her own castle.

Perhaps, (so long as you really are a woman) we can seal the deal with a handshake, a French kiss, and a blowjob. Sorry, just kidding about the handshake (lol).

 

[Boxlicker101]

First, Happy New Year, everybody.

Second, I like the idea of the caps, and it's not a new idea either. I have been competing in the Survivors' contest since 2003, and even then there was a form of caps in place. The four poetry categories were limited to no more than ten each.

The reason then as now was to keep people from piling up huge totals in a few categories and to stretch their writing. It seems to be working, too. The apparent 2011 winner, SHR, is the only person to post in all categories. I came close, but didn't finish my story in the Transexual & Transvestite category.

At the same time, I believe such a low cap presents a problem in the Novels & Novella category. Most novels will be too long to properly break down into three chapters, which will almost always mean either posting chapters without scoring points on them, which is not such a big deal, or writing a novel over a period of two or more years. For that reason, I believe the cap should be eliminated or raised for that one category. As for a "Chaptered Story " category, that seems very artificial, because there is no such category in Lit.

I prefer keeping immunities, because some of us can't or don't want to write in all categories, but I don't believe there should be any points for them. To me, this would be akin to paying farmers not to grow crops.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

I prefer keeping immunities, because some of us can't or don't want to write in all categories, but I don't believe there should be any points for them. To me, this would be akin to paying farmers not to grow crops.

You know it wouldn't surprise me if the gov't. hasn't asked farmers not to grow crops. I only say this because when I was in 8th grade my father's employer was paid by the government to stop his dairy farm production and either convert to just crops, or just beef cow. I don't recall why this was, but I do know my father was out of a job and it was because of a farmer being paid not to do something that one would have thought would always be beneficial to society.


Back to the discussion -


I don't see a need for immunities to be worth any points either, you use them to close a category you don't write in. Make up that lose of points with another story, a story that will give you more points in the long run and you can still move onto level 2 in a cap series with the immunity in play. You're already getting a reward just by picking the right number that the lottery spits out and you get to close a category with no effort involved, why allow points on top of it. The awarded person didn't do anything to get those points, they just picked a number.

So I guess after all of this discussion I believe that the immunities should not be worth points and if the chapter rule stays in place as well as caps (which I agree they should be - at least for the poetry as prior to the rules changing in 2009(?) ) than the Novel/Novelette genre should increase to 5, allowing all others to remain at 3.

If I have a story similar to Senatorial Secrets that covers many genres, I'll place it in Novels/Novelettes, breaking it down into chapters that I am comfortable with, scoring them only when allowed.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You know it wouldn't surprise me if the gov't. hasn't asked farmers not to grow crops. I only say this because when I was in 8th grade my father's employer was paid by the government to stop his dairy farm production and either convert to just crops, or just beef cow. I don't recall why this was, but I do know my father was out of a job and it was because of a farmer being paid not to do something that one would have thought would always be beneficial to society.

Believe it or not, in the 1950's, some farmers were actually paid to let their fields lie fallow and not raise any crops. This was to avoid agricultural surpluses and keep prices higher than they would have been. It was widely mocked at the time. I was a teenager then, and I thought it was dumb then and I still think it was.

I don't know all the details, because it was a long time ago.

Now, back to the subject at hand.

 

[Kaishaku]

Posting to all categories...

The apparent 2011 winner, SHR, is the only person to post in all categories. I came close, but didn't finish my story in the Transexual & Transvestite category.

Actually Box, I posted stories in every category except for Novels & Novellas, where I took an immunity. Hey, there's an opportunity to add some interest to the contest... award a bonus of say 31 or so points for the contestant posting to the most categories. Wow, and with those 31 points I would have won this year's survivor.


K.

 

[LOAnnie2]

Two things:

Yes Box, they still pay farmers to let fields go unused, it was a big practice back in the early 2000s when Enron manipulated the energy market--places that relied on hydroelectric dams for power and irrigation stopped the irrigation so that more power could be generated and sold on the local markets. Many farmers that barely broke even most years made massive profits with no costs due to letting the fields go for the year.

And yes, my idea on chapter stories was simply to add 1 more category to the scoresheet, where 3 chapters (be it from the same story or different stories) could go in there, the only requirement being they were chapters and written in 2012. So for the first cap level this would only account for 5 points, the exact same score as someone posting a story for a holiday contest. So SuperHeroRalph would be free to dump 200 chapters in the contest this year, but he'll get points for them only in the chapter story category (or novels and novellas if he writes long).

 

[Boxlicker101]

Actually Box, I posted stories in every category except for Novels & Novellas, where I took an immunity. Hey, there's an opportunity to add some interest to the contest... award a bonus of say 31 or so points for the contestant posting to the most categories. Wow, and with those 31 points I would have won this year's survivor.


K.

You're right. I haven't gone over them completely yet, but you do appear to have posted in every category. I think you actually wrote in more categories than anybody else, because you only used one immunity and SHR used five. And you had several categories filled to the first cap, so the immunity is valid.

ETA: I looked at your scoresheet, and you should include the date on that immunity. It is required, and I would hate to see the immunity disqualified because of a technicality like that.

 

[theravenfox]

I don't enter the Survivor contests with the idea of winning. I just hope it will keep me submitting and challenge me with different topics.

But I would like to put in my standard request for a rule change. Please make audio stories just a format instead of a category. In other words, I would like to be able to submit an incest audio and have it count as incest...submit a romance audio and have it count as romance, etc. This accomplishes two things. First, it gives your audio authors/performers access to submit more in the contest. Secondly, it takes away the dreaded audio category for the authors who only submit in text format. One less spot for which they have to pray for an immunity.

Happy New Year and good luck all

 

[Boxlicker101]

I don't enter the Survivor contests with the idea of winning. I just hope it will keep me submitting and challenge me with different topics.

But I would like to put in my standard request for a rule change. Please make audio stories just a format instead of a category. In other words, I would like to be able to submit an incest audio and have it count as incest...submit a romance audio and have it count as romance, etc. This accomplishes two things. First, it gives your audio authors/performers access to submit more in the contest. Secondly, it takes away the dreaded audio category for the authors who only submit in text format. One less spot for which they have to pray for an immunity.

Happy New Year and good luck all

I would favor that idea, and the same for illustrated stories and poems, except they are categories on Lit. and have to remain categories in the Survivors' Contest. Besides that, when an author or poet makes a submission and suggests a category, that is only a suggestion, and Management posts it where they think it fits best. If you submit a story of incest and accompany it with a recording of the story and include a note asking that it be placed in "Incest," and it is placed there, that's where it would be counted. If your request is not accepted, and the story is listed as an audible story, that is where it is counted in the Survivors' Contest.

Moderators have nothing to say about the categories where stories or poems are placed.

 

[theravenfox]

I would favor that idea, and the same for illustrated stories and poems, except they are categories on Lit. and have to remain categories in the Survivors' Contest. Besides that, when an author or poet makes a submission and suggests a category, that is only a suggestion, and Management posts it where they think it fits best. If you submit a story of incest and accompany it with a recording of the story and include a note asking that it be placed in "Incest," and it is placed there, that's where it would be counted. If your request is not accepted, and the story is listed as an audible story, that is where it is counted in the Survivors' Contest.

Moderators have nothing to say about the categories where stories or poems are placed.

Then my suggestion is even bigger and broader than I originally thought. Make Text With Audio NOT a category. Just have it be one way that people can submit stories to Lit. And the same with Illustrated. There could still be a way to search for the new Audios or the new Illustrated. That solves everything! Everybody's happy.

In truth, I know this is NOT likely to be a suggestion they consider much. But it never hurts to try.

Viva Survivor!!!

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Breaking categories into sub-categories - CRAZY!

 

[Kaishaku]

I would favor that idea, and the same for illustrated stories and poems, except they are categories on Lit. and have to remain categories in the Survivors' Contest. Besides that, when an author or poet makes a submission and suggests a category, that is only a suggestion, and Management posts it where they think it fits best. If you submit a story of incest and accompany it with a recording of the story and include a note asking that it be placed in "Incest," and it is placed there, that's where it would be counted. If your request is not accepted, and the story is listed as an audible story, that is where it is counted in the Survivors' Contest.

Moderators have nothing to say about the categories where stories or poems are placed.

In a past contest I entered an illustrated story in another category... in other words posted a story to Loving Wives that had Illustrations and it was accepted. I think if perhaps an audio story could get posted in another category I think it should be acceptable in that category for Survivor. It's not really a subcategory, just a story that qualifies for either category.

K.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

If the category exists as a story category on Literotica, then it's going to be a category for the contest. The whole point of the survivor contest is to write new & original stories in every category possible. It would be going against the spirit of the contest to remove four categories from the contest that exist as separate categories on Literotica because a participant wants to put stories in non-illustrated or non-audio categories and count them as part of their score.

You are free to add an illustration or audio to your stories if you wish and request they be put in whatever other category, but if the site owners grant your wish, that story counts for whatever category it gets put in, and you still have to either write something for the audio & illustrated categories or get an immunity for them. Odds are you will win at least 2 immunities in the space of a year, and making audios or illustrations for those categories are really not as difficult as people sometimes try to make them out to be.

 

[Boxlicker101]

If the category exists as a story category on Literotica, then it's going to be a category for the contest. The whole point of the survivor contest is to write new & original stories in every category possible. It would be going against the spirit of the contest to remove four categories from the contest that exist as separate categories on Literotica because a participant wants to put stories in non-illustrated or non-audio categories and count them as part of their score.

You are free to add an illustration or audio to your stories if you wish and request they be put in whatever other category, but if the site owners grant your wish, that story counts for whatever category it gets put in, and you still have to either write something for the audio & illustrated categories or get an immunity for them. Odds are you will win at least 2 immunities in the space of a year, and making audios or illustrations for those categories are really not as difficult as people sometimes try to make them out to be.

Audible poetry is easy enough, just reading the poem out loud,and illustrated poetry just needs one photo that is related to the poem. Usually the illustrated poems I write are not at all erotic. Audible stories are another matter. They usually have dialogue and require more emotion than I usually have in my voice. In almost nine years here, I have never written an illustrated story, and I doubt I ever will.

As I have often said, Management places stories or poems in the category they feel they should go and, if you don't like where it is, you are free to object and try to get it placed elsewhere. I have done so successfully several times.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[Sean Renaud]

As if there is anyway of confirming if you used it from a friend aside from just saying "I know you suck at drawing and could not possibly have produced something this good."

Personally I've never really understood why we can't pay for a gorramed commision in the first place. It's not like that wouldn't fly in the "real" world.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

Personally I've never really understood why we can't pay for a gorramed commision in the first place. It's not like that wouldn't fly in the "real" world.

Liability issues, the need for releases, etc.