9th CIRCUT COURT-ILLEGALS CAN VOTE

[koalabear]

I have an honest face I guess.

Your ass isn't to bad either.

 

[chillywilly2]

He doesn't know what the problem is but he has an opinion.

I think a thumbprint scanner at the polling place to verify your ID would help. Our state already has a vast database of thumbprints garnered from driver's license applications. I see no reason why you couldn't provide a thumbprint at ther point of registration. It would make it harder for the Dems to get out the dead vote.

This would cost a lot more in taxes. Is that what you want?

States would have to share prints with feds. All states would then be required to get prints and hand them over to feds...a huge cost.

 

[koalabear]

This would cost a lot more in taxes. Is that what you want?

States would have to share prints with feds. All states would then be required to get prints and hand them over to feds...a huge cost.

Prints are old tech, a lot of states now have facial recognition software when you apply for a drivers license.

 

[Wok]

This would cost a lot more in taxes. Is that what you want?

States would have to share prints with feds. All states would then be required to get prints and hand them over to feds...a huge cost.

Nah, simply repeal the new healthcare law, privatize social security, get rid of medi-care, and ship all the brown people to Mexico, and there will be more than enough money for thumb scanners.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Those not upset with the ruling have no problem when there are more votes than registered voters in Milwaukee - as long as the state goes Democrat.

 

[busybody..]

Prints are old tech, a lot of states now have facial recognition software when you apply for a drivers license.

what about MOOSEFUCKS who hide their faces?

 

[koalabear]

what about MOOSEFUCKS who hide their faces?

Shoot em.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

He doesn't know what the problem is but he has an opinion.

I think a thumbprint scanner at the polling place to verify your ID would help. Our state already has a vast database of thumbprints garnered from driver's license applications. I see no reason why you couldn't provide a thumbprint at ther point of registration. It would make it harder for the Dems to get out the dead vote.

Good idea. Scan the thumb then lock the ballot. It'll kick the Dumocrats when theyre down.

 

[garbage can]

The Dems have done everything in their power, to allow dead people, Illegals, prisoners, mental patients and bag people to vote. In addition to finding votes in trunks of cars, broom closets etc, plus disallowing absentee military ballots that arrive after the deadline.

 

[Wrong Element]

I have an honest face I guess.

Or a white one. That's all our self-appointed ballot guardians really care about, not whether you were born here as opposed to Liechtenstein.


Where are all these illegal immigrants who are clamoring to vote? Seriously. You have to be literally out of your mind to believe there's an epidemic of people voting too often in this country.

 

[Wrong Element]

The Dems have done everything in their power, to allow dead people, Illegals, prisoners, mental patients and bag people to vote. In addition to finding votes in trunks of cars, broom closets etc, plus disallowing absentee military ballots that arrive after the deadline.

Absentee ballots that arrive after the deadline are fine. Absentee ballots that are cast after the deadline (a la Florida 2000) are, on the other hand, illegal votes.

 

[garbage can]

Absentee ballots that arrive after the deadline are fine. Absentee ballots that are cast after the deadline (a la Florida 2000) are, on the other hand, illegal votes.

I thought the Fla 2000 absentee military ballots were declared legal.

However, I'm not so sure about that....that I'd lay my balls on a chopping block....

 

[MNGuy]

The only time I was asked for ID was when I complained about moveon.org being right outside the door to the polling place. Which was illegal. I should have complained about the election judge wearing the DFL button, also illegal.

 

[hogjack]

...dead people, Illegals, prisoners, mental patients and bag people to vote.

Without the dead, illegals, prisoners, mental patients and bag people the Lit forums would die out in a month.

 

[MeeMie]

There is something called a voter roll. Names and addresses are confirmed before the election. Since having an ID card isn't mandatory (thankfully), and since names and addresses are confirmed before the election, I don't see what the problem is.

Do republicans want to force everyone to have an ID? Is that what this is about?

So much for "limited government" and "freedom".

Do you see a problem with people who are NOT citizens voting?




The Right To Vote!


The right to vote is granted to all citizens of the United States regardless of race, creed, color, sex, income, or sexual orientation. If you are a citizen over the age of 18, who hasn’t committed a felony, you have the right to vote.



That is soon to change. For now there is a movement by the Progressives Liberal Moonbats to allow legal non-citizens to vote.



On Election Day, some people will be allowed to vote even though they are not citizens of the United States.

A handful of communities allow noncitizens who are in the country legally to vote in municipal elections. Portland, Maine, could be about to join that short list of communities.

With citizenship comes the right to vote, but in a handful of places, even legal noncitizens have limited voting rights. Their ranks may grow come Election Day. That's when San Francisco takes up noncitizen voting in school races, and Portland, Maine will decide whether legal immigrants noncitizens can vote in all local elections.



Cities Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

PORTLAND, Maine --
Like his neighbors, Claude Rwaganje pays taxes on his income and taxes on his cars. His children have gone to Portland's public schools. He's interested in the workings of Maine's largest city, which he has called home for 13 years.

There's one vital difference, though: Rwaganje isn't a U.S. citizen and isn't allowed to vote on those taxes or on school issues. That may soon change.

Portland residents will vote Nov. 2 on a proposal to give legal residents who are not U.S. citizens the right to vote in local elections, joining places like San Francisco and Chicago (ahem Richard Daily) that have already loosened the rules or are considering it.

Noncitizens hold down jobs, pay taxes, own businesses, volunteer in the community and serve in the military, and it's only fair they be allowed to vote, Rwaganje said.

"We have immigrants who are playing key roles in different issues of this country, but they don't get the right to vote," said Rwaganje, 40, who moved to the U.S. because of political strife in his native Congo and runs a nonprofit that offers financial advice to immigrants.

Opponents of the measure say immigrants already have an avenue to cast ballots -- by becoming citizens.

Allowing noncitizens to vote dilutes the meaning of citizenship, they say, adding that it could lead to fraud and unfairly sway elections.


"My primary objection is I don't think it is right, I don't think it is just, I don't think it is fair," Portland resident Barbara Campbell Harvey said.

In San Francisco, a ballot question Nov. 2 will ask voters whether they want to allow noncitizens to vote in school board elections if they are the parents, legal guardians or caregivers of children in the school system.

Noncitizens are allowed to vote in school board elections in Chicago and in municipal elections in half a dozen towns in Maryland, said Ron Hayduk, a professor at the City University of New York and author of "Democracy for All: Restoring Immigrant Voting Rights in the United States."

New York City allowed noncitizens to vote in community school board elections until 2003, when the school board system was reorganized, and several municipalities in Massachusetts have approved allowing it but don't yet have the required approval from the Legislature, he said.

The Maine ballot questions asks whether legal immigrants who are city residents but not U.S. citizens should be allowed to vote in municipal elections. If the measure passes, noncitizens would be able to cast ballots in school board, city council and school budget elections, as well as other local issues, but not on federal or statewide matters.

The Maine League of Young Voters, which spearheaded the drive to force the question on the ballot, estimates there are 5,000 to 7,500 immigrants in Portland, roughly half of whom are not U.S. citizens. They come from more than 100 countries, with the two largest groups from Somalia and Latin America.

On a recent day in a small lunchroom at the Al-Amin Halal Market, a group of Somali men ate lunch and talked in their native language. A sign advertised the day's offerings, including hilib ari (goat), bariis (rice) and baasto (spaghetti).

Abdirizak Daud, 40, moved to Minneapolis 18 years ago before coming to Portland in 2006. He hasn't been able to find a job. Some of his nine children have attended Portland schools, and he'd like to have a say in who's looking over the school system and the city, he said.

But between his limited English and the financial demands, Daud hasn't been able to become a citizen.

"I like the Democrats. I want to vote for Democrats, but I don't have citizenship," he said.

To become a citizen, immigrants must be a lawful permanent resident for at least five years, pass tests on English and U.S. history and government, and swear allegiance to the United States.

Supporters of Portland's ballot measure say the process is cumbersome, time-consuming and costly. The filing fee and fingerprinting costs alone are $675, and many immigrants spend hundreds of dollars more on English and civics classes and for a lawyer to help them through the process.

Allowing noncitizens to vote fits with basic democratic principles, Hayduk said.

Historically, 40 states allowed noncitizens to vote going back to 1776, but an anti-immigrant backlash in the late 1800s and early 1900s resulted in laws that eliminated their voting rights by 1926, Hayduk said.

"We look back in history and we say that was a bad thing that we didn't allow African-Americans to vote, or we didn't allow half the population, women, to vote, or we didn't allow younger people to vote," he said. "We've modified our election laws to become more inclusive to incorporate more members of society."

The Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C., group that advocates tougher immigration enforcement, says voting is a privilege and should be limited to citizens.

"People who are legal immigrants to the United States after a five-year waiting period can become citizens and become enfranchised," spokesman Ira Mehlman said. "But until then, being here as a legal immigrant is a conditional agreement, sort of like a trial period. You have to demonstrate you are the type of person we would want to have as a citizen, then you can become a citizen and vote."






I don't believe this is Constitutional.

Just examine the following Amendments:

15th Amendment
Section 1.
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxv

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

19th Amendment
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxix

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

26th Amendment
Section 1.
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxvi

The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

It is a right to vote for citizens of the United States - not residents.

 

[richard_daily]

Silly Billy!

If you dont need photo ID the poll worker can let anyone use your vote then swear you already voted when you appear. But its safer to let you use a vote where the real voter hasnt voted in a while (probably dead). Dumocrats would never get votes if we used a photo ID with a barcode to record the vote.

sure, if they have a fake voter registration card...

have you ever actually voted? Or do you just talk about it?

christ.

 

[richard_daily]

He doesn't know what the problem is but he has an opinion.

I think a thumbprint scanner at the polling place to verify your ID would help. Our state already has a vast database of thumbprints garnered from driver's license applications. I see no reason why you couldn't provide a thumbprint at ther point of registration. It would make it harder for the Dems to get out the dead vote.

so non-criminals should turn over their fingerprints to the government?

Didn't you want "less government"? I guess that's only when it suits your agenda.

 

[Luk]

so non-criminals should turn over their fingerprints to the government?

Didn't you want "less government"? I guess that's only when it suits your agenda.

Vette will say as long as you are not a criminal, why fear giving up your prints?

 

[unregistered]

 

[unregistered]

 

[koalabear]

Hey, if you have a drivers license in California, or ever been in the military, a government employee, or have ever been granted a security clearance, the government already has your fingerprints. If you've ever signed a notarized document you've given up your fingerprints; and finally, in your case, if you've ever been arrested, or have done time, you're fingerprints are already on file.

Coming soon, if not already to a license branch near you.

1. Lighting shall be equally distributed on the face.
2. The face from crown to the base of the chin and from ear-to-ear shall be clearly visible and free of shadows.
3. Veils, scarves or headdresses must not obscure any facial features and not generate shadow. The person may not wear eye-wear that obstructs the iris or pupil of the eyes and must not take any action to obstruct a photograph of his/her facial features.
4. Where possible, there must be no dark shadows in the eye sockets due to the brow. The iris and pupil of the eyes shall be clearly visible.
5. Care shall be taken to avoid "hot spots" (bright areas of light shining on the face.)
6. Photograph may be in black and white or color.
7. The photo image must be updated not less frequently than every sixteen years.
8. All driver license and identification cards must contain a full facial digital photograph.

 

[Killswitch]

I've never shown ID when I vote - never.

I've had to show it every time since I started voting.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

sure, if they have a fake voter registration card...

have you ever actually voted? Or do you just talk about it?

christ.

Here in Hooter Hollow you dont need any ID to vote. Give them a name and address to verify from the roll. So, in theory, I could vote as Barney Levy my deceased neighbor. Wouldnt surprise me at all if Dumocrats keep a list of newspaper obits handy on election day.

Its hell to try and buy a pack of smokes, but anyone can vote.

 

[koalabear]

Never been asked for an ID either.

 

[Killswitch]

Seems like all democrats have to show ID and republicans don't according to this thread.

Makes me think if there's any shenanigans going on it's the repubs that are behind it.


Especially since repubs are already claiming theres cheating going on.

I think thou dost protest to much.....