All NRA and GOA members need to acknowledge the following facts . . .

[CandiCame]

No, they're left wing. Notice the anti-capitalism agenda? The "rednecks" were hardcore socialists bordering on communists. Coal miners revolting against the "company store" trap that the mine owners had set up. Look up "The Battle of Blair Mountain." That is also where the legend of "Mother Jones" started.

Wait... I have BB on iggy, did he suggest that the RR were conservative or something?

Honey... the RR are COMMUNISTS. That's why we- er... they- wear RED. Not because "conservative". It's very hardcore communism.

Libertarian? You got that as wrong as a person could possibly GET a thing.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Wait... I have BB on iggy, did he suggest that the RR were conservative or something?

Honey... the RR are COMMUNISTS. That's why we- er... they- wear RED. Not because "conservative". It's very hardcore communism.

Why don't you come out from under your rock and have a discussion like a big boy?



Cant be a commie without supporting the state and it's authority to force it bubba.

They are expressly against state authority.....that means no socialism or communism. Just capitalism

 

[CandiCame]

The LOGO btw, is based on the pirate-communism logo.

Like... the RR are COMMUNISTS. Rednecks have been communists since forever, I talk about this a lot. We didn't start seeing this shift toward nationalism until WITHIN MY LIFETIME.

Kentucky (and a lot of other Appalachian states) are COMMONWEALTHS- that is, FOUNDED on communist principles. To assume that the RR is anything other than a commie revolution fighting against the bourgeoisie means that you don't know your history and probably don't know your political belief categorization.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The LOGO btw, is based on the pirate-communism logo.

Like... the RR are COMMUNISTS. Rednecks have been communists since forever, I talk about this a lot. We didn't start seeing this shift toward nationalism until WITHIN MY LIFETIME.

Kentucky (and a lot of other Appalachian states) are COMMONWEALTHS- that is, FOUNDED on communist principles. To assume that the RR is anything other than a commie revolution fighting against the bourgeoisie means that you don't know your history and probably don't know your political belief categorization.

Can't have communism without state authority of some kind to force it champ.

I'm good with the belief categorization, it's the RR's that are confused.

They are against state authority AND capitalism....thing is even with iron fisted government authority you can't stop or get rid of capitalism, it's the natural human default.

You can't be against state authority AND capitalism, as state authority is the only thing that tempers it.

 

[CandiCame]

Here, BB- read the official bullet-point of RR issues: https://www.redneckrevolt.org/principles

Communism. A revolution that overthrows the bougie capitalist economic system and returns power to the masses.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The commonwealths, of which there are 4 - Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Virginia - come from old English common law principles, which predate Marxism and its descendants by hundreds of years. It means "common weal," or common good, and has fuck-all to do with communism.


Being anarchistic around this shithole will get you labeled as a rabid repuglican/Trumpsky.


See the A over there . . . .

 

[BotanyBoy]

Communism. A revolution that overthrows the bougie capitalist economic system and returns power to the masses.

Not just power but the means of production.

And you can't do it without government authority of some kind to force and manage it.

RR's are self contradicting morons, that's why their "communist revolution" is as impotent as it is.


Anarchism =/= communism.

 

[CandiCame]

The commonwealths, of which there are 4 - Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Virginia - come from old English common law principles, which predate Marxism and its descendants by hundreds of years. It means "common weal," or common good, and has fuck-all to do with communism.


Being anarchistic around this shithole will get you labeled as a rabid repuglican/Trumpsky.


See the A over there . . . .

Babydoll... what do you think communism is?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Babydoll... what do you think communism is?

A hypothetical construct perverted badly by its "practitioners."


I live in one of the commonwealths. Ain't no communism here.

 

[bellisarius]

Not just power but the means of production.

And you can't do it without government authority of some kind to force and manage it.

RR's are self contradicting morons, that's why their "communist revolution" is as impotent as it is.


Anarchism =/= communism.

Dude, you'd best read their goals a little closer. Their goal is political power and the transfer of the means of production to the "people." Anarchists they are NOT.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Yea I know.....but they seem more like anarchist than leftist.

Anarchists are leftists. They come out of a Euro Marxist tradition. That is what distinguishes them from Libertarians: Libertarians oppose the state as a threat to private property, which it is; anarchists oppose the state as a guardian of private property, which it also is, depending on circumstances.

The "ancaps" are an anomalous third category, doing their own thing; they have the illusion that capitalism is possible without the state, while anarchists have the illusion that communism is possible without the state. Really, nothing but Somalia is possible without the state. Libertopia would have a state, and a strong one, however limited in scope and function.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Dude, you'd best read their goals a little closer. Their goal is political power and the transfer of the means of production to the "people." Anarchists they are NOT.

Yes.

But it also explicitly states they are against the state.

Police, prisons, courts, artificial borders, and other systems of social control only exist to serve the rich. The nation-state project came into existence to protect the propertied classes and keep us working people poor and without power, often using varying types of standing armies to enforce laws which disproportionately impact the poor. We have no interest in ideological utopian governments- we do not seek to merely replace one set of politicians for another.

https://www.redneckrevolt.org/principles

They are "anti-capitalist" but have no suggestion for any other economic model....so Mad Max it is!!!

They are anarchist....

Anarchists are leftists.

No, they are not. Leftist like to pretend they are anarchist....because they are stupid enough to think egalitarianism is the human default despite all the evidence to the contrary. Typical leftist...living in total denial of reality.

Nothing about leftism is possible without state authority, which being against is the only real principle of anarchism.

Anarchism results in natural hierarchy....ergo if it's any wing it's just a sliver to the right or off the deep end of it depending on what scale you're using.

They come out of a Euro Marxist tradition.

No, those were just retards who think the spontaneous communism is possible.

You can't have leftism, no equitable distribution of goods and services without a government to force/manage it it.

It's never happened anywhere because it's delusional derp.

Real anarchism is what you see when the rule of law or a government totally break down somewhere. Total chaos, violence, every man and woman for themselves, trample the weak.

That is what distinguishes them from Libertarians

No...libertarians understanding the need for and role of a government is what distinguishes them from anarchist.

Libertarians = minimal government.

Anarchist = no government.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Anarchism results in natural hierarchy....

There is no such thing as natural hierarchy.

And neither Hobbes' nor Locke's nor Rousseau's "state of nature" ever existed.

No...libertarians understanding the need for and role of a government is what distinguishes them from anarchist.

Libertarians = minimal government.

Anarchist = no government.

No, the difference is that libertarians are capitalists, like Rand, and anarchists are small-c communists. You understand nothing about the history of political ideologies.

 

[CandiCame]

A hypothetical construct perverted badly by its "practitioners."


I live in one of the commonwealths. Ain't no communism here.

You live in a commonwealth with no worker's rights laws, free or reduced school food, free or reduced daycare, EBT program, and all the other commie shit our forefathers fought for? They don't hold state ground that you can apply to fish, hunt or camp on? With no family-first laws and child advocates to protect children from abuse and exploitation?

Because that's not a commonwealth at that point- if there aren't COMMONS to pull from. It's just misnamed.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I believe "commonwealth" is just another word for res publica -- "public thing" -- "republic."

 

[BotanyBoy]

There is no such thing as natural hierarchy.

Yes there is, otherwise gangs, warlords, tribes, nations and unions wouldn't exist and every single functioning social structure we have wouldn't be predicated upon it.

Human beings, just like every other ape are undeniably hierarchical.

That's why communism has a 100% fail rate.

No, the difference is that libertarians are capitalists, like Rand, and anarchists are small-c communists.

LOL what a load of shit that isn't supported by ANYTHING but some idiotic left wing musings at BEST.


Libertarianism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Libertarianism (from Latin: libertas, meaning "freedom") is a collection of political philosophies and movements that uphold liberty as a core principle.[1] Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association, and individual judgment.[2][3][4] Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling for the restriction or dissolution of coercive social institutions.[5]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/libertarianism-politics

Libertarianism, political philosophy that takes individual liberty to be the primary political value. It may be understood as a form of liberalism, the political philosophy associated with the English philosophers John Locke and John Stuart Mill, the Scottish economist Adam Smith, and the American statesman Thomas Jefferson. Liberalism seeks to define and justify the legitimate powers of government in terms of certain natural or God-given individual rights. These rights include the rights to life, liberty, private property, freedom of speech and association, freedom of worship, government by consent, equality under the law, and moral autonomy (the ability to pursue one’s own conception of happiness, or the “good life”). The purpose of government, according to liberals, is to protect these and other individual rights, and in general liberals have contended that government power should be limited to that which is necessary to accomplish this task. Libertarians are classical liberals who strongly emphasize the individual right to liberty.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/anarchism

Anarchism, cluster of doctrines and attitudes centred on the belief that government is both harmful and unnecessary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

Anarchism is a political philosophy[1][2] that advocates self-governed societies based on voluntary institutions. These are often described as stateless societies,[3][4][5][6] although several authors have defined them more specifically as institutions based on non-hierarchical or free associations.[7][8][9][10] Anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary and harmful.

Definition of anarchism
1 : a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchism

communism noun

Definition of communism
1a : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
b : a theory advocating elimination of private property
2 capitalized
a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the U.S.S.R.
b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production
c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

https://www.britannica.com/topic/communism

Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.

You understand nothing about the history of political ideologies.

You have been thoroughly refuted.

Liberalism (including libertarianism) = limited government, focused on preserving and maximizing liberty.

Anarchism = no government authority.

Communism = no private property, collective ownership over the means of production.

Can't have communism without government authority....anarchist cannot be communist, they aren't authoritarian enough for it.

 

[CandiCame]

I believe "commonwealth" is just another word for res publica -- "public thing" -- "republic."

And communism comes from the French word "commun" meaning "common", in relation to "the commons". The difference between a commonwealth and other kinds of states is that they're supposed to provide a "commons", ie, a "public thing" for the public to pull from- like the programs I already mentioned.

Because that's how communism works.

And the weird thing, is that in the past few years as we've moved away from that- the mindset hasn't really changed, just the language used to describe it.

"We've got to look out for each other." "The state'll cover that, won't it?" "They oughta fix these fucking roads." "Why can't they get a bus up here for these younguns?" "I recon you oughta be able to get food stamps- I don't see why they cut um." "Boss man thinks I ain't leaving at 5 he's out of his goddamn mind." "Take her down there to X, they got that income-based payment plan."

Communism is bad. Benefiting from communist ideologies is good.
It aggravates me.

Edit: This makes our state taxes SIGNIFICANTLY higher. Like I can get you back on federal but I can't guarantee state. State'll fucking take all they can get. It's weirdly often beneficial to file separately on state even if you file jointly on federal- because Ky is NOT fucking around. There's a couple other states who also don't fuck around, but I've only done a handful of those out-of-state taxes. And some states are really chill and have deals with others about how to tax shit- but North Carolina ain't one of them and I got a lot of family who travels back and forth and wants lil Candi to do their taxes and gets fucking pissed at me about the complexities of duel residencies and state taxes.

North Carolina seriously just talk to Ky. What is your FUCKING PROBLEM? Did we get in a big break-up at some point that I'm just not aware of?

 

[bellisarius]

Anyway, I just ordered another AR receiver to build up. I don't really need another but it's fun building stuff.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Anyway, I just ordered another AR receiver to build up. I don't really need another but it's fun building stuff.

What cal?

 

[BotanyBoy]

And communism comes from the French word "commun" meaning "common", in relation to "the commons". The difference between a commonwealth and other kinds of states is that they're supposed to provide a "commons", ie, a "public thing" for the public to pull from- like the programs I already mentioned.

Because that's how communism works.

Clearly has no fucking clue what communism is.

Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society. Communism is thus a form of socialism—a higher and more advanced form, according to its advocates. Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate, but the distinction rests largely on the communists’ adherence to the revolutionary socialism of Karl Marx.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/communism

 

[CandiCame]

Anyway, I just ordered another AR receiver to build up. I don't really need another but it's fun building stuff.

My brother does that shit- he builds computers too. He says it's so much cheaper and he doesn't understand why anyone buys things already assembled. But if I pay more than $200 for something, I expect it to work out of the box.

I guess because lazy.

 

[bellisarius]

What cal?

I ordered the receiver for 5.56. But the jigs I have will allow me to build either an AR-10, AR-15, or an AR-9. After this build I'm going to build up an AR-10.

 

[Kirkrapine]

North Carolina seriously just talk to Ky. What is your FUCKING PROBLEM? Did we get in a big break-up at some point that I'm just not aware of?

The problem is, KY was always a slut. You'll find her with any fucking asshole. *:rimshot:*