All-purpose national ID card?

[Saint_Ann]

82 Nobel Prize winners just endorsed Harris, citing the danger Trump poses to science.

If science is the truth, how can any man destroy it? Nobelists get their money from handouts. Who's more likely to hand them cash?

 

[MajorRewrite]

If science is the truth, how can any man destroy it? Nobelists get their money from handouts. Who's more likely to hand them cash?

Everybody knows Nobel Prize winners get into science fOR tHe MOneY.

Your comment won a special award for stupidity. Congratulations.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Everybody knows Nobel Prize winners get into science fOR tHe MOneY.

Your comment won a special award for stupidity. Congratulations.

So you think Trump has the power to destroy science? That's sorta what the brain trust is saying. Must be the global warmers.

 

[Politruk]

So you think Trump has the power to destroy science?

To slash funding for research -- and that matters.

But Republican science-hostility goes deeper and worse than that. In Florida, all references to climate change have been purged from state communications. That's dangerous.

 

[Dearelliot]

For all?...updated every so many years with a new photo very involved costly, , unless Social sec, can handle it...along with the SS cards. What problems would it really solve that matters?.

 

[MajorRewrite]

So you think Trump has the power to destroy science? That's sorta what the brain trust is saying. Must be the global warmers.

That’s not “sorta what the brain trust is saying.” They’re saying “don’t vote for morons.”

Meanwhile, MAGAs are warnings us about hurricanes steered by the government and space lasers that start forest fires. Stable geniuses.

 

[Politruk]

For all?...updated every so many years with a new photo very involved costly, , unless Social sec, can handle it...along with the SS cards. What problems would it really solve that matters?.

It would make voting easier -- automatic registration for all citizens. And It would put an end to Republican bullshit about "voter fraud".

 

[Saint_Ann]

To slash funding for research -- and that matters.

But Republican science-hostility goes deeper and worse than that. In Florida, all references to climate change have been purged from state communications. That's dangerous.

You mean global warming.

 

[Politruk]

You mean global warming.

Mostly warming. But if it disrupts the Gulf Stream, Europe could get a lot colder. Rome is on roughly the same latitude as New York -- it only has a warmer climate because of the Gulf Stream.

 

[Saint_Ann]

That’s not “sorta what the brain trust is saying.” They’re saying “don’t vote for morons.”

Meanwhile, MAGAs are warnings us about hurricanes steered by the government and space lasers that start forest fires. Stable geniuses.

The same brain trust that told us the hole in the ozone layer was going to wipe out the human race?

 

[Melody_Lightdraft2]

In the information age, it would be technically possible for the USG to issue every person in the country, free of charge, an ID card keyed to SSN, and to a central database. In that database would be a file containing every interaction with government you have ever had, federal, state or local -- scanned pdf copy of your birth certificate, school records, driving record, arrest records, tax returns -- all immediately available and visible to the cop who pulls you over.

"I hope you know this will go down in your permanent record."

It will!

The card would substitute for your DL -- that is, the database file would reflect your status as a licensed or unlicensed driver.

It would also say whether you are a citizen -- if not, it would show any applicable visa or green card.

And the card would substitute for voter registration -- if you have the card and it says you are a citizen, you can vote, in whatever jurisdiction your database file says is your current address.

This system would make things in general more efficient. It would be a boon to all law enforcement including ICE. It would put an end once and for all to bullshit about "voter fraud."

Any downside?

I understand that China has something similar?

 

[Melody_Lightdraft2]

They're already using facial recognition in China for everything - access, even shopping - scans your face and debits your bank account, tickets, you name it.

On the other hand, that has all sorts of totalitarian possibilities. On the third hand, it's here now and private enterprise is using it. Idon't like it myself but the technology is there.

Voter ID is probably the least intrusive and least open to abuse. And really, it just needs to be Proof of Citizenship. A US passport? State Voter ID cards? Whatever, but whatever it is, it needs to prove citizenship, unlike Drivers Licenses.

Strange how many Countries are concerned about human rights in China, yet eager to purchase face recognition software and other surveillance systems to monitor their own citizens.

 

[Politruk]

The same brain trust that told us the hole in the ozone layer was going to wipe out the human race?

That's still a problem.

Common talking points[edit]​

Ozone depletion deniers still rely mainly on these debunked myths:[11]

• CFCs can't reach the ozone layer. While CFCs are heavier than air, they can reach the ozone layer from the force of tropospheric winds.
• It's the volcanoes! Volcanic eruptions cannot account for all ozone depletion.[12]
• Ozone depletion only occurs in Antarctica, and so cannot be anthropogenic. It's most dramatic in the Antarctic, but ozone depletion occurs all over the world.
• Ozone depletion doesn't increase UV levels. Ozone absorbs UVB (this can be confirmed with a simple lab experiment) and numerous studies have shown a link to increased UVB levels.
• It's caused by chlorine evaporating from salt water bodies, not CFCs. This comes from The Holes in the Ozone Scare, a 1992 book by Rogelio Maduro and Ralf Schauerhammer published by the Lyndon LaRouche organization. Chlorine is highly reactive and reacts with water in the troposphere, being "rained out" long before it reaches the ozone layer.
• The hole was always there, so it's natural! This is a quote mine from G.M.B. Dobson's reports on his expeditions in the 1950s where he notes the discrepancy between Arctic and Antarctic ozone levels. No such "hole" was reported then.
• But we use chlorine every day in our water and chlorine also destroys ozone and no one worries about that.[13] This is a claim by Prof. Ian Plimer. This ignores two facts: 1) Chlorine is highly reactive and, if released at ground level, will react with water in the troposphere and be "rained out" long before it reaches the ozone layer. CFCs are unreactive, so they have no such impediment. 2) "CFCs" don't destroy ozone, it is the chlorine CFCs break down into under the extreme ultraviolet of those altitudes that destroys ozone. Plimer's use of the word "also" suggests he doesn't understand this.

 

[Politruk]

I understand that China has something similar?

Kind of a Hitler ate sugar argument.

 

[Melody_Lightdraft2]

This subject reminds me of the speech from the 2005 film, "V for Vendetta."

"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. ”
― Alan Moore, V for Vendetta

 

[Comshaw]

In the information age, it would be technically possible for the USG to issue every person in the country, free of charge, an ID card keyed to SSN, and to a central database. In that database would be a file containing every interaction with government you have ever had, federal, state or local -- scanned pdf copy of your birth certificate, school records, driving record, arrest records, tax returns -- all immediately available and visible to the cop who pulls you over.

"I hope you know this will go down in your permanent record."

It will!

The card would substitute for your DL -- that is, the database file would reflect your status as a licensed or unlicensed driver.

It would also say whether you are a citizen -- if not, it would show any applicable visa or green card.

And the card would substitute for voter registration -- if you have the card and it says you are a citizen, you can vote, in whatever jurisdiction your database file says is your current address.

This system would make things in general more efficient. It would be a boon to all law enforcement including ICE. It would put an end once and for all to bullshit about "voter fraud."

Any downside?

Comshaw

 

[Buffalogurl]

I understand that China has something similar?

Your missing one more item to your all inclusive I.D. .......a free tattoo of your social security number on the left arm....
Just incase you lose your physical ID this would be very beneficial to replacing the "lost" ID..... and many other tasks, for instance.... whether your loaded on to a cattle car bound for "work camp", FEMA camp, or the guillotine..... or if your eligible for a food ration card, fuel ration card or a carbon credit ration card.....ect....

 

[Buffalogurl]

That's still a problem.

You really have absolutely no idea how ozone is created.....

 

[Politruk]

whether your loaded on to a cattle car bound for "work camp", FEMA camp, or the guillotine.....

 

[Politruk]

You really have absolutely no idea how ozone is created.....

Ordinarily, it just happens. The ozone layer predates humanity. Nobody has to do anything to create it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Don’t need cards. We’ve already got Bill Gates’ vaccine chips. Conspiracy loons told me so!

Don't knock vaccine chips! My 5G reception has improved tenfold since my last Covid immunization shot!

 

[Politruk]

I once handled a case for a midwifery clinic. I learned that some of their clients/patients were rather sketchy, furtive types who would duck out immediately after the delivery -- without filling out the birth certificate. They apparently went to a midwife instead of a hospital for that reason. Probably fundie Christians trying to avoid leaving any trace of their existence in Caesar's database.

They certainly were not doing their kids any favors this way. Nor by homeschooling them.

Nobody's right to privacy extends to a right to be invisible to the state.

 

[Politruk]

Of course this kind of card would simplify things for law enforcement, including ICE.

 

[Politruk]

Michael Lind makes a compelling case for a national ID card.