Are the site admins pro-harassment?

[lovecraft68]

Yeah, I agree. Based on the date of creation of OP's account, I assumed this was a legit post and not someone trolling. Maybe the OP just isn't used to the forum. But either way, I hope he clarifies his post so we can stop guessing. The topic he started is one worth discussing, in my opinion.

Or they might have created that account for here and has a separate one for the story side of things.
Anything is possible.

 

[KeithD]

Yeah, but the way he said it leaves much confusion. It's not clear what he meant, nor what kind of criticizing feedback he left on those stories. Benevolent and mocking criticism are hardly the same. Let's see if he provides more info.

That's irrelevant to what I posted about. I posted about continuing the same "it's not good enough for me" comments for fifteen years. Just move on and leave the author alone for those that do like the stories to read. If not, it's sort of the same thing the OP is complaining is happening to him/her.

 

[KeithD]

It's not stalking, its a legit comment.

You're the master of stalking here in relation to me, certainly. Your problem there, which you should have figured out by now, is that your brand of harassment on the board like your recent getting EmilyMiller to leave isn't going to work with me.

 

[SimonDoom]

Yeah, but the way he said it leaves much confusion. It's not clear what he meant, nor what kind of criticizing feedback he left on those stories. Benevolent and mocking criticism are hardly the same. Let's see if he provides more info.

This is a recurring issue. Many newbies, or at least those who are newbies to this forum, if not necessarily Literotica, do not understand how vague their questions are. They don't understand that one cannot give a meaningful answer without more information. And many don't seem to stick around long enough to follow up with the information that would help answer their question. We'll have to see whether the OP fits into this category.

I did a search and found the profile for Cyberweasel89IsDeranged, but the profile indicates only 2 comments having been made. I searched for those and could not find them. So I have no evidence of exactly what the comments are like or how prevalent they are. There's insufficient information to determine if this is really stalking or if perhaps the OP is taking things too personally. I don't know.

 

[Bramblethorn]

@Cyberweasel89 since you are keeping the name of this author secret, which I fully support, you could maybe provide some screenshots of your comments, the ones that you think started the whole thing, along with the screenshots of this "stalker" of yours doing what you are saying he's doing.

FWIW, I don't think I've ever interacted with CyberWeasel89 or the other people involved in this beef before now, but I looked up the context of these comments. I agree with AS that there's nothing to be gained by bringing the author's name into it. They have quite a few stories - going back 15 years, as CW89 says - and I did not check out all of those stories to see the full history of this beef.

CW89's account leaves out a lot. In particular, for quite some time now, she seems to have been posting the exact same comment on every chapter posted by this author:

15 years and [author name redacted] hasn't ever improved...Her protagonist is always the exact same girl, just with a different name. Her fetishistic obsession with tiny tits and protagonists who get mistaken for children just gets kinda weird as culture changes over the course of a decade and a half...And her having gotten the term "The Chinese Virus" for COVID-19 from Donald Trump in a suspiciously deleted story is a huge red flag to me as an Asian-American.

I checked out two recent series by the author, one with three parts and the other with four; that exact same comment appears on every chapter. I also checked out chapters 1 and 15 of a slightly older 15-part series by the same author, and that same comment appears on both of them. I didn't check the other 13 chapters in that series but I'm guessing it's on all of them too.

If CW89 feels like clarifying when she started posting that comment and how many times she's posted that identical comment on the same author's chapters, she can do so, but what I saw was enough that I'd call it excessive.

I agree with CW89 that "Chinese Virus" is a politically loaded term, and I can understand why she'd find it objectionable; I do too. But given that the author apparently deleted it, I do not think it's helpful or healthy to be posting the same comment on every chapter the author posts.

Most of those comments were ignored by other readers, and AFAICT this had been going on for quite some time before "CyberWeasel89IsDeranged" entered the fray.

When they did enter the discussion (initially posting as anonymous, then registering that account after CW89 accused them of being "too cowardly to sign in"), the first comment that I can see from CyberWeasel89IsDeranged was:

@Cyberweasel89 nobody is forcing you to read [author]'s stories, let alone spam all her posts with the same exact comment (without a different name). If you find her work so repetitive then stop reading. But it's not about her protagonist always beings "the exact same girl", is it? you give yourself away with your final paragraph. [rest of reply snipped, basically accusing CW89 of "TDS" i.e. "Trump Derangement Syndrome"]

CW89, I don't think you are doing yourself any favours here, and unless there's something I missed in the earlier history of that discussion, I think your own behaviour towards the author comes a lot closer to "harassment" than what I saw from CyberWeasel89IsDeranged.

 

[lovecraft68]

You're the master of stalking here in relation to me, certainly.

We still doing this?

Show me proof. Share with the class any comment or nasty feedback I've sent you, and don't give me the "You do it anonymous" there's countless anons on here, and the fact I have slung so much of your crap back at you in public should tell the class I have no reason to be sneaky.

But if we want to talk stalking, how about you harassing another member here because you found out they unfaved you? The fact you knew it shows how obsessed you are even though you claim to not care about numbers here.

If we want to talk proof of accusations? You were caught red handed fluffing your Fawc story by one of your alts 4glory6 in the contest thread by Patientlee who happily showed proof of it.

When you swapped pen names and I saw the KD one was made way back in 2012 I thought I bet he does the same thing with that name, then proved you used that handle to comment on your SRplt stories. Fluffing and fawning over "The author" and it was really you doing it. I proved that in minutes, and a couple of others joined in the hunt. At least two people I know of here still have the sceenshots.

One of us has a track record of proof, one of petty accusations.

Keep in mind the last time you accused me of something, along with someone else, and of course with no proof, the mod wiped out that thread.

Happy Father's Day.

 

[Voboy]

Most of those comments were ignored by other readers, and AFAICT this had been going on for quite some time before "CyberWeasel89IsDeranged" entered the fray.

When they did enter the discussion (initially posting as anonymous, then registering that account after CW89 accused them of being "too cowardly to sign in"), the first comment that I can see from CyberWeasel89IsDeranged was:



CW89, I don't think you are doing yourself any favours here, and unless there's something I missed in the earlier history of that discussion, I think your own behaviour towards the author comes a lot closer to "harassment" than what I saw from CyberWeasel89IsDeranged.

/thread.

I thought it might be something like that. It takes two to tango, OP. You don't get to dare someone to create an account to engage you, then whine here about the fact someone created an account to engage you.

 

[RejectReality]

Is a dumbass and posted this based on extremely poor reading comprehension. Left here for appropriate mockery of my lazy reading attentiveness.

Frankly, I wouldn't need any more information than the screen name and one legitimate report of abusive behavior. I don't think there's any question the account exists for one reason, and one reason only — and it's not an innocuous one.

Unless this person is only leaving ( I should imagine unkind, considering the screen name ) story/craft-based comments and the OP is upset about being criticized in a smug way, I don't know why that account is still here.

Seeing the examples of comments before hitting send, I'd say that's sufficient to remove the account, if it was me. Whoever this "isDeranged" person is, they're obviously taking pains to dance on the line without crossing it. The pattern of consistently repeating the same comment and bringing up a story that was deleted with a side order of political warfare crosses the line for me, regardless of whether the individual comments are somewhat arguably legitimate criticism or not.

Of course, it would be a gesture full of sound and fury. Whoever this is would just make another account or go back to being anonymous and keep on keeping on. The only possible way this is going to end absent the author or commenter leaving is for the OP to stop feeding the troll, in whatever form that takes. Maybe it's to stop deleting their comments, if that's happening. Certainly don't respond or complain in public about them. In my experience and observations, the most powerful weapon you have against people like this is to ignore them and let the other commenters mock them, which will often happen when the troll is drifting off into the weeds with obsessive behavior.

 

[SimonDoom]

Thanks to Bramblethorn for doing a bit of research. This thread is a good reminder: facts matter.

 

[RejectReality]

* Headdesk * Well, I take all that back. I'll be looking for where I left my reading comprehension, because I thought those comment examples were from the "isDeranged" account, and not from the OP of this thread. Now that it's been pointed out to me, it's obvious the "isDeranged" account is at most a proportional response.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Yeah, the comments and exchanges that can publicly be seen seem quite conclusive... against the OP. Maybe there is some private exchange that can present things in a different light but I am honestly not holding my breath after seeing all those comments.

@Cyberweasel89 why would you keep commenting in such a way to the stories of the author in question? You are even an author yourself so you must understand how it would feel if someone polluted your own stories with such toxic comments and exchanges. I truly don't understand it. If you wanted to express your opinion, once or even twice was enough. Can it really be that we - authors are each other's worst trolls?

This is a good example of why SOL's system of feedback is superior.

 

[Voboy]

You are even an author yourself so you must understand how it would feel if someone polluted your own stories with such toxic comments and exchanges. I truly don't understand it. If you wanted to express your opinion, once or even twice was enough.

I blame politics. This is what our poisonous national discourse has led to. This whole sorry episode stems from peoples' inability to let others have their own political views, in my opinion.

Just sad.

 

[lovecraft68]

Sounds like this site has gotten too big for its britches, as I've seen on other threads as well.

They're essentially first to market, at least for the size, and are far and away the biggest and most popular, but through minimal effort and a don't like it leave attitude. Sooner or later that will catch up to them, but it hasn't yet so the ego and apathy grows. See that in businesses across the board.

 

[Cyberweasel89]

You have the option of blocking this person, so you don't have to see their comments.

...Since when?

OP, your clickbaity thread title is noted.

Are you talking about comments on your stories, or forum posts? Or "replies" to your comments on another user's stories? I'm confused. If it's the former two, the above posters are quite right: you can delete those comments on your stories, or block this cat on the forum.

If it's direct replies he/she is making to comments you've put on this person's stories? Then that writer can delete them. But here's the thing: if there's nothing directly offensive in there, and the posts themselves address specific issues you've raised, I doubt very highly that they'd get nuked by the site. So maybe they're not as egregious as you think?

I suggest that because the site is actually pretty aggressive about deleting offensive comments on stories. Some of them never even make it to publication before they're taken care of. It's a topic of occasional discussion here in the AH. So, no. They are not pro-harassment.

ETA: I just looked up CyberWeaselIsDeranged on the story side. It lists just two comments. So I assumed this is about the forum side? But then I just looked him/her up there too, and... nada. I'm curious how bad these comments toward you are.

The fact the author does not delete them when she is able to is quite telling then.

It says he only has 2 comments but I suspect it's a glitch.

Does that account still exist? I tried searching site members just now and couldn't find that name - though I see it was up an hour ago when @Voboy found it, so either I missed something or it's only just been deleted.

Edit: ah, it's actually CyberWeasel89IsDeranged, that's why it wasn't showing.

Forgot the 89... Sorry!

My first impression on this is that continually for fifteen years commenting on someone's stories that they are "same-y" rather than stopping reading that author and reading elsewhere more satisfying might be seen as stalking itself enough to be met in kind. Not that any stalking is justified.

If that's stalking then we have lowered the bar for "stalking" so far as to make the term meaningless.

I'm sorry you think that because this writer has been writing for 15 years you somehow believe I have been saying she hasn't improved in 15 years... for 15 years? WTF.

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I'm with you. Considering his bizarre non-logic above, something is VERY off about Keith...

If you see the need to go one more round on this, Kelliezgirl, I'll classify you as a stalker. *smile* (actually, I will. There's no need for you to be doing this.)

I think I know why Keith is so aggressively white knighting CyberWeasel89IsDeranged. He reminds me of him and must see a kindred spirit in a cyberbully.

I'd say that people are speculating too much about the OP, and not in a good way. It could be that he is obsessed with this author, but it could also be that he had previously enjoyed that author's stories and that he thought to give some constructive criticism, especially if those stories really contained political content. We are all jumping to conclusions here, when the truth is that we haven't seen any proof of anything so far, except that the existence of the mentioned account confirms that there is someone who is intent on at least trolling the OP.

@Cyberweasel89 since you are keeping the name of this author secret, which I fully support, you could maybe provide some screenshots of your comments, the ones that you think started the whole thing, along with the screenshots of this "stalker" of yours doing what you are saying he's doing.

Yes, I can do that easily. Apologies if it feels like I made this thread, then set it and forget it. Email notifications don't seem to be working and I'm unsure why.

Yeah, but the way he said it leaves much confusion. It's not clear what he meant, nor what kind of criticizing feedback he left on those stories. Benevolent and mocking criticism are hardly the same. Let's see if he provides more info.

Uh... I'm a woman.

FWIW, I don't think I've ever interacted with CyberWeasel89 or the other people involved in this beef before now, but I looked up the context of these comments. I agree with AS that there's nothing to be gained by bringing the author's name into it. They have quite a few stories - going back 15 years, as CW89 says - and I did not check out all of those stories to see the full history of this beef.

CW89's account leaves out a lot. In particular, for quite some time now, she seems to have been posting the exact same comment on every chapter posted by this author:



I checked out two recent series by the author, one with three parts and the other with four; that exact same comment appears on every chapter. I also checked out chapters 1 and 15 of a slightly older 15-part series by the same author, and that same comment appears on both of them. I didn't check the other 13 chapters in that series but I'm guessing it's on all of them too.

If CW89 feels like clarifying when she started posting that comment and how many times she's posted that identical comment on the same author's chapters, she can do so, but what I saw was enough that I'd call it excessive.

I agree with CW89 that "Chinese Virus" is a politically loaded term, and I can understand why she'd find it objectionable; I do too. But given that the author apparently deleted it, I do not think it's helpful or healthy to be posting the same comment on every chapter the author posts.

Most of those comments were ignored by other readers, and AFAICT this had been going on for quite some time before "CyberWeasel89IsDeranged" entered the fray.

When they did enter the discussion (initially posting as anonymous, then registering that account after CW89 accused them of being "too cowardly to sign in"), the first comment that I can see from CyberWeasel89IsDeranged was:



CW89, I don't think you are doing yourself any favours here, and unless there's something I missed in the earlier history of that discussion, I think your own behaviour towards the author comes a lot closer to "harassment" than what I saw from CyberWeasel89IsDeranged.

Yeah, the comments and exchanges that can publicly be seen seem quite conclusive... against the OP. Maybe there is some private exchange that can present things in a different light but I am honestly not holding my breath after seeing all those comments.

@Cyberweasel89 why would you keep commenting in such a way to the stories of the author in question? You are even an author yourself so you must understand how it would feel if someone polluted your own stories with such toxic comments and exchanges. I truly don't understand it. If you wanted to express your opinion, once or even twice was enough. Can it really be that we - authors are each other's worst trolls?

This is a good example of why SOL's system of feedback is superior.

I have only made the comment a few times and I did so largely because I worried the author was not seeing it. The story's deletion could have been at the hands of the administration. Especially since I emailed the author about my concenrs with her use of "The Chinese Virus" and she remained conspiciously radio silent on the matter. Part of why I post the comment like I do is because I read each new chapter she uploads hoping to see an addressing of my critique and do not see it. Then, lazily, I just copy-paste my comment from the previous chapter to indicate how nothing has changed.

If it was such a bad thing, then as many have pointed out, the author could easily delete them. She does not. So I presumed that, much like her parasocial stalker, she approved of them.


Rereading his comments, I'm quite confusd why you all would think this guy is defensible. Certainly not the hill I would die on...

That last comment is to show that other users have been far more insulting towards the author, yet she and her parasocial stalker have not had any problem with such comments. It is solely me he has become obsessed with shielding his parasocial victim from the feedback of.

 

[Cyberweasel89]

I blame politics. This is what our poisonous national discourse has led to. This whole sorry episode stems from peoples' inability to let others have their own political views, in my opinion.

Just sad.

Voboy, if you somehow believe that two men in MAGA hats attacking me in the street for being Korean-American is "political views," then I question your intellectual honesty.

If you believe storming the capital in a riot to overturn a fair election is "political views," I question everything about your moral compass.

If you believe blatant bigotry is "political views," then please leave.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Voboy, if you somehow believe that two men in MAGA hats attacking me in the street for being Korean-American is "political views," then I question your intellectual honesty.

Were you on your way back from Subway?
Did they yell, "This is MAGA country?"
Asking for a friend.

 

[Voboy]

Voboy, if you somehow believe that two men in MAGA hats attacking me in the street for being Korean-American is "political views," then I question your intellectual honesty.

If you believe storming the capital in a riot to overturn a fair election is "political views," I question everything about your moral compass.

If you believe blatant bigotry is "political views," then please leave.

We're not talking about you being attacked on the street. Of course I deplore that.

We're talking about your response to a fictional story. You had a problem with the writer's politics. You expressed that (I'd have ignored you right then). Some other rando took you to task. You couldn't let it go, and invited this person to troll you. He subsequently did so.

You're complaining about what, exactly? You taught this person how to treat you online.

 

[Voboy]

If you believe storming the capital in a riot to overturn a fair election is "political views," I question everything about your moral compass.

Oh, and if you're going to put words into my mouth, kindly fuck off with that. I never said anything about J6, nor would I... because this is the AH, not the shitpile Politics Board.

 

[Cyberweasel89]

Were you on your way back from Subway?
Did they yell, "This is MAGA country?"
Asking for a friend.

No I was actually on my way to the grocery store down the street.

No but they called me the N-word (can't even get their racist slurs right) and said I'd created COVID-19.

The fact I'm Korean-America, not Chinese-American, didn't matter to them. Nor did the fact my parents and I were born here factor in.

It's just the kind of flies that a New York con man, convicted criminal, and convicted sexual abuser draws.

We're not talking about you being attacked on the street. Of course I deplore that.

We're talking about your response to a fictional story. You had a problem with the writer's politics. You expressed that (I'd have ignored you right then). Some other rando took you to task. You couldn't let it go, and invited this person to troll you. He subsequently did so.

You're complaining about what, exactly? You taught this person how to treat you online.

I see you're deliberately ignoring my post above where I addressed most of this.

I see no point in engaging with someone in good faith who is engaging with me in bad faith. I made the mistake of giving people such as yourself the benefit of the doubt one too many times. The fact you can look at everything in those screenshots and say "You're clearly inviting this abuse" is frankly sickening. I'm sure you've made many friends saying this to victims of car accidents and physical assault.

 

[Voboy]

I see no point in engaging with someone in good faith who is engaging with me in bad faith. I made the mistake of giving people such as yourself the benefit of the doubt one too many times. The fact you can look at everything in those screenshots and say "You clearly inviting this abuse" is frankly sickening. I'm sure you've made many friends saying this to victims of car accidents and physical assault.

Okay.

It was nice meeting you. I'm sorry you didn't get the response you seem to have been searching for here. Good luck in the future.

 

[TheLobster]

For everyone's sakes, the Politics' Board is this way.

 

[AH_Mod]

This thread has veered into partisan politics, so I'm locking it. I believe there is sufficient information available for a reasonable person to evaluate the original topic of the thread at this time.