Bistro Bijou

[Shankara20]

Ahhh then that changes everything

how so?

looking for the same answer I have in my head...

 

[UnderYourSpell]

how so?

looking for the same answer I have in my head...

Isn't it obvious? I'd have no say in the matter in anything all that you did .........

 

[Shankara20]

Isn't it obvious? I'd have no say in the matter in anything all that you did .........

Yes, it is obvious

but I wanted to hear you to say it

very well said I might add



and now off to work for me....

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Yes, it is obvious

but I wanted to hear you to say it

very well said I might add



and now off to work for me....

bad boy lol

 

[unpredictablebijou]

*wanders in and gets the popcorn machine started*

It's so very cool to see all these new people here. Or old friends returned.


Meanwhile, back at the Bistro, I was having an entirely other sort of thought today, one I've been noodling on for a while.

I'd like to think of it as a sort of hmmmnmmm-style noodle, really. He's the king of those.

Poetry does not have to be taken to the People.
The People already have Poetry whenever they want.
Sometimes the more academic and studious poet-types think they're taking poetry to the People, when we may in fact be spending time trying to take it away from them, out of fear or elitism.
To say "that's not poetry" about cultural phenomena like spoken word events, hip hop and rap, and so on is taking poetry away from the People, and isn't consistent with sharing the art form and letting it evolve like the organic lifeform it is.

I'm not Asserting this as a Truth. I'm just running it up the flagpole.

Exhibit A
I just found this late last night. I hardly ever drive through the city like I used to, and as the sulphur lights rushed past me, only the 1 am traffic of trucks and all night drivers around me, I was thinking about Poetry and People, kike I have for a while now, and this song came on.

You'll hate it. You'll hate it, I just know. But try. Truly sit down, take a moment, "read" it as seriously and with as much of an open mind as you would read a piece published in the New Yorker.

I'm tellin' ya, they've had it all along.

 

[Netzach]

*wanders in and gets the popcorn machine started*

It's so very cool to see all these new people here. Or old friends returned.


Meanwhile, back at the Bistro, I was having an entirely other sort of thought today, one I've been noodling on for a while.

I'd like to think of it as a sort of hmmmnmmm-style noodle, really. He's the king of those.

Poetry does not have to be taken to the People.
The People already have Poetry whenever they want.
Sometimes the more academic and studious poet-types think they're taking poetry to the People, when we may in fact be spending time trying to take it away from them, out of fear or elitism.
To say "that's not poetry" about cultural phenomena like spoken word events, hip hop and rap, and so on is taking poetry away from the People, and isn't consistent with sharing the art form and letting it evolve like the organic lifeform it is.

I'm not Asserting this as a Truth. I'm just running it up the flagpole.

Exhibit A
I just found this late last night. I hardly ever drive through the city like I used to, and as the sulphur lights rushed past me, only the 1 am traffic of trucks and all night drivers around me, I was thinking about Poetry and People, kike I have for a while now, and this song came on.

You'll hate it. You'll hate it, I just know. But try. Truly sit down, take a moment, "read" it as seriously and with as much of an open mind as you would read a piece published in the New Yorker.

I'm tellin' ya, they've had it all along.

Meh, I think it's OK to have "high" and "low" flowing into the same ocean. Not everything has to be everything.

 

[unpredictablebijou]

Meh, I think it's OK to have "high" and "low" flowing into the same ocean. Not everything has to be everything.

Absolutely. And I don't think one can substitute for the other; formal written word "poetry" is what it should be. But I think there has never been enough emphasis on "street" art in understanding a form like poetry, or sculpture, or whatever.

I'm just excitable. I love to watch language arts evolve.

 

[Tzara]

I had to come over here, a 'cuz they're now talking about Foucault in that other thread. French intellectual theory makes me break out in hives.

Meh, I think it's OK to have "high" and "low" flowing into the same ocean. Not everything has to be everything.

I like both "high" and "low," which probably merely means I have no critical sense whatsoever. As far as poetry is concerned, I'm not much interested in debating whether this thing or that thing are poems or poetic. More interested in whether they say anything to me or, if I'm writing it, whether I enjoyed creating it.

I smell popcorn.

 

[Netzach]

I had to come over here, a 'cuz they're now talking about Foucault in that other thread. French intellectual theory makes me break out in hives.I like both "high" and "low," which probably merely means I have no critical sense whatsoever. As far as poetry is concerned, I'm not much interested in debating whether this thing or that thing are poems or poetic. More interested in whether they say anything to me or, if I'm writing it, whether I enjoyed creating it.

I smell popcorn.

I always thought the difference between poetry and prose is in the sound of it. Does it convey at least a semi-interesting idea while using language for its musical values doing so.

But I'm a whore for a good internal rhyme.

The thing which would or would not make an aesthetic experience crappy for me isn't its subject matter.

 

[Tzara]

I always thought the difference between poetry and prose is in the sound of it. Does it convey at least a semi-interesting idea while using language for its musical values doing so.

Turco says something like verse is metrical and prose is not, but I think he's considered a little extreme in that view. (Poetry, in his view, is a genre, not a mode, and poems can be either verse or prose.)

 

[Netzach]

Turco says something like verse is metrical and prose is not, but I think he's considered a little extreme in that view. (Poetry, in his view, is a genre, not a mode, and poems can be either verse or prose.)

Wow, I don't know if it should have to scan, but I think there's a happy medium. When I think of prose poems good things rarely come to mind at all. Heaney can do them, but is better when he's not.

 

[unpredictablebijou]

As far as poetry is concerned, I'm not much interested in debating whether this thing or that thing are poems or poetic. More interested in whether they say anything to me or, if I'm writing it, whether I enjoyed creating it.

I smell popcorn.

I like to watch other people argue about what poetry is or isn't. Just a voyeur that way, I guess.

Nice that we're talking about word thingies, though. I've always liked that about this place.

I'm having Guinness with my popcorn, but I'm assuming you'd like a Watney's Red Barrell or something. Nice sunny day. Can I get you anything else?

I always thought the difference between poetry and prose is in the sound of it. Does it convey at least a semi-interesting idea while using language for its musical values doing so.

But I'm a whore for a good internal rhyme.

The thing which would or would not make an aesthetic experience crappy for me isn't its subject matter.

Again, your skill for the concise is astounding.

I've always seen it as more of a multiple continuum. Are sound and meaning of equal value, or is one far more important than the other in a particular collection of words? That's part of my scale for "poetry" vs. "prose."

I suppose subject matter is only partly important to me, in that I don't assume a common knowledge base in every piece I read. Writing is by definition a personal act. But I'm certainly a better potential audience for pieces that talk about subjects I dig.

 

[Tzara]

Wow, I don't know if it should have to scan, but I think there's a happy medium. When I think of prose poems good things rarely come to mind at all. Heaney can do them, but is better when he's not.

Turco would call all free verse prose poetry, because it isn't metrical (and, hence, not verse). I think he even says somewhere that the term "free verse" is self-contradictory.

I said he was extreme.

 

[Mistress_Belladonna]

I liked that

*wanders in and gets the popcorn machine started*

It's so very cool to see all these new people here. Or old friends returned.


Meanwhile, back at the Bistro, I was having an entirely other sort of thought today, one I've been noodling on for a while.

I'd like to think of it as a sort of hmmmnmmm-style noodle, really. He's the king of those.

Poetry does not have to be taken to the People.
The People already have Poetry whenever they want.
Sometimes the more academic and studious poet-types think they're taking poetry to the People, when we may in fact be spending time trying to take it away from them, out of fear or elitism.
To say "that's not poetry" about cultural phenomena like spoken word events, hip hop and rap, and so on is taking poetry away from the People, and isn't consistent with sharing the art form and letting it evolve like the organic lifeform it is.

I'm not Asserting this as a Truth. I'm just running it up the flagpole.

Exhibit A
I just found this late last night. I hardly ever drive through the city like I used to, and as the sulphur lights rushed past me, only the 1 am traffic of trucks and all night drivers around me, I was thinking about Poetry and People, kike I have for a while now, and this song came on.

You'll hate it. You'll hate it, I just know. But try. Truly sit down, take a moment, "read" it as seriously and with as much of an open mind as you would read a piece published in the New Yorker.

I'm tellin' ya, they've had it all along.

HEY popcorn! What movie are we watchin'? *grins and pulls up a chair*

That was very cool and tres poetique, Bijou. Interesting point, too. I've found many songs, sometimes as silly as a jingle or as obvious as a Beatles lyric to be very poetic. Not all poetry appeals to me, but it often speaks to me even if it isn't my style. I've also found that many people who say that something isn't something usually forget to say "in my opinion". Of course, so do those of us who say it IS something. ;-) So... in my humble opinion... all of the above!

At the moment, I'm all about the obvious... romantic stuff... Not sure what THAT'S all about! ;-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44xirQ55IgA

... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ_Nf7yGxbc

And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5z7R-5Znoc

BUT of course ANYTHING by Annie Lennox!

 

[Shankara20]

I'm having Guinness with my popcorn, but I'm assuming you'd like a Watney's Red Barrell or something. Nice sunny day. Can I get you anything else?

Got a Coors?

*grabs a long neck, a handful of popcorn and wonders away muttering sometin about "frakin highbrows"....*

 

[Netzach]

Turco would call all free verse prose poetry, because it isn't metrical (and, hence, not verse). I think he even says somewhere that the term "free verse" is self-contradictory.

I said he was extreme.

That makes sense within the logic proposed. Interesting.

 

[Mistress_Belladonna]

Turco would call all free verse prose poetry, because it isn't metrical (and, hence, not verse). I think he even says somewhere that the term "free verse" is self-contradictory.

I said he was extreme.

Hmmmm.... "Extreme Poetry"... *envisions a reading of epic free verse about the life and times of Pepe le Pew with audience participation with hamster juggling, flaming batons and hopefully NOT flaming hamster juggling* Eat your heart out, Turco! ;-D

Oh... Can I have a Guinness, too?

 

[Tzara]

I'm having Guinness with my popcorn, but I'm assuming you'd like a Watney's Red Barrell or something. Nice sunny day. Can I get you anything else?

Guinness is a bit too heavy for me to enjoy with popcorn. I think a Pyramid Hefeweizen would be good, though, especially if the sun's out.

 

[unpredictablebijou]

Turco would call all free verse prose poetry, because it isn't metrical (and, hence, not verse). I think he even says somewhere that the term "free verse" is self-contradictory.

I said he was extreme.

One thing I love about "poetry" is that people get to define it pretty much however they choose.

Turco is neato.

HEY popcorn! What movie are we watchin'? *grins and pulls up a chair*

I think I have this in at the moment. It's a favorite.

Mme. Belladonna:
At the moment, I'm all about the obvious... romantic stuff... Not sure what THAT'S all about! ;-)


!

I can't imagine.

New Toy?

Got a Coors?

*grabs a long neck, a handful of popcorn and wonders away muttering sometin about "frakin highbrows"....*

Are you complaining about the highbrow beer or the highbrow conversation?

Cause we could sneak into a corner and talk lingerie if you like.

And yes of course I have Coors. If that's your idea of a good time...

Hmmmm.... "Extreme Poetry"... *envisions a reading of epic free verse about the life and times of Pepe le Pew with audience participation with hamster juggling, flaming batons and hopefully NOT flaming hamster juggling* Eat your heart out, Turco! ;-D

Oh... Can I have a Guinness, too?

Does it count if one's nipples are on fire?

*slides a Guinness over* Good taste, darlin'.

And a lovely pyramid ale for our sexy academic.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Sits in the corner and watches the crowd that just came in wonders where they started this conversation or did I miss 10 pages or so?

 

[unpredictablebijou]

Sits in the corner and watches the crowd that just came in wonders where they started this conversation or did I miss 10 pages or so?

Only about a page and a half. Welcome, dolly!

Biscuits? Tea? or some wine, maybe?

and I saw you bein' all flirty with Sri Shanka up there. Bet you two would get along well. *evil eyebrows*

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Just realised which thread you were referring too, I stayed out of it too many people flexing pseudo brain muscles and trying to look important and meaningful.

As for the other once I can get past the extreme hairinesssssss .........

 

[unpredictablebijou]

Just realised which thread you were referring too, I stayed out of it too many people flexing pseudo brain muscles and trying to look important and meaningful.

As for the other once I can get past the extreme hairinesssssss .........

You might find that you become extremely fond of it, after a bit. It's never too late to install new buttons.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Tis for me too old and too tired

 

[unpredictablebijou]

Tis for me too old and too tired

Oh that's just silly. I'm looking at an avatar that says something entirely else.