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[Guest]

You might be able to handle me in that situation but you are quite the little masochist sometimes.

I'm thinking of finding some guys that I don't particularly care for and letting it go on them. Drug dealers or rapists, something like that.

I just hope that I don't start with the insane giggling when I do start to let it go. I used to do that in fights, etc.. and it was really creepy afterwards. Even to me. Maybe it's something like Domspace but when that would happen I just felt incredibly alive, powerful and it was as if the entire world belonged to me, for my pleasure.

No hommes... That's not sadism..It's called bezerkergang (go look up the old pre-christian descriptions of the symptoms) ... And there should be a massive difference between that, and what happens when you are with a sub...
"Should be"...I'll bet if you stopped and thought about it ...there is.
As for drug dealers, rapists, etc.... Have the hell at it...
I'll cheer...
Hmmm.... Might even help.

 

[Betticus]

I looked it up, took a while to find anything relevant but in one place it was talking about early Vikings using berserkers as shock troops. Then there was a modern take on the phenomenon as a form of psychosis somewhat related to epilepsy. Finally there was a paper that I found that correlates Grendel, the villain in that Norse? epic poem with berserker behaviour. It said:

The primary characteristics of the
berserk are:

(1) association with animals, including shape-shifting abilities;
(2) terrifying appearance;
(3) immunity to weapons via spells or the wearing of (magically) protective
animal skins;
(4) berserker rage, including turning purple in the face, loss of human
reason, acquisition of enormous strength and animal behavior (killing
and howling), followed by profound bodily weakness and disability;
(5) rejection by the community due to excesses of violence.

I can only sympathize with number 4. Under duress your body can shift blood from your organs to your muscles, also there is a dump of adrenaline thus the strength and subsequent shaking and weakness after it's over. The loss of reason though has to be a psychological factor. In a rage I get the blood flush but it feels more like a swelling of the muscles but at the same time all fear and most reason disappear. Afterwards you are extremely fatigued for several hours and have to eat a lot to get your blood sugar back up. Your body burns calories like you are on fire during the time you are amped up.

It really takes a pretty strong, immediate physical threat to happen though. Like if you are attacked. I think it's more of an autonomous defensive reaction. Like with those women you hear about lifting cars off of their children.

 

[Betticus]

Exactly, and i guarantee a sophisticated mindfuck will leave your masochistic partner in a bigger puddle of goo than any bleeding edge (pun intended) physical act you can dream up B.

Sweet. I do have a tickling of memory about old conversations. I think the jist of them was that all of the magic happens in the mind and that the physical handling of the body is more of a tool to unlock the parts of your partners psyche that you wish to affect.

 

[Range05]

I have lost control once. A little over a year ago, I was involved with a Domme. Beautiful, sweet, petite woman with a sadistic and masochist streak a mile wide. One night while i had her on her hands and knees banging her hard, she turned looked at me and laughed. LAUGHED?? oh hell no! Got rougher, harder, punishing, pushing .. she's still laughing, starts telling me to let go of the control. Starts this chant. Long story short, I start shaking, feeling sick because I know I am losing my control, yet I cannot stop it. I start saying I'm sorry, try to stop but she won't have it. Sees the victory and goes for the kill. I am still not completely sure what took place after that. She was well bruised for a few weeks, and could not have sex for 3 weeks. I HAVE NEVER LOST CONTROL SINCE.

I get that same giggly euphoric feeling when I get into a fight or a good arguement. I will start laughing in the middle of it. Get the adrenaline going, feel no pain, have no mercy. I will look for a fight just to get that feeling.

I know that I crave the euphoric feeling of losing control in fighting, I do not want to ever lose control again in a sexual situation. I keep a very tight reign on my control now. I found that meditating and working out help me a lot.

 

[Private_Label]

Ok...
Now I would like to open some discussion on letting go of the control and unleashing those urges. I'm not worried about not being able to let go, I'm worried that I will go way too far. Too intense. That I will really hurt someone......

From you Submissive types, what goes through your mind when you see a Dom losing control? Becoming something like a rabid dog with the sadism and violence.

Being new and still exploring this area of interests, my question/comment/gut reaction is - as others have mentioned - Scary and in a BAD non-sexual way.

As a Sub, I am trusting you the Dom/Master/PYL to ask me what my limits are and keep them in mind while we play. Pain to enhance pleasure is one thing, Pain done to be doing it just to be doing it is downright criminal.

Not just in the "too intense" department, not just in the physical harm -which could include breaking bones, rupturing internal organs and DEATH - yes, death, someone had to take that boogyman out of the closet -

but how could you expect your sub to ever ever trust you again? How can you expect any sub to trust you when they find out you lost control?

Please consider that the difference between having impulses and acting on them is the difference between a rational adult and a ... violent peice of shit who needs to inflict fear, who has NO self control, and should be incarcerated.

Sorry for being so blunt, but that is my gut reaction. I hope that if you do plan on "letting go" that you at least tell your sub and give you sub the chance discuss it - safe word, safe zone, or even ask that you not "let go" at all.

 

[Betticus]

"a violent peice of shit who needs to inflict fear, who has NO self control, and should be incarcerated."

Let's get one thing straight motherfucker. What I am referring to is a very extreme situation. A situation where life and death are involved. So far I am still her fucking talking to you so guess what? I fucking lived, the other poor piece of shit ended up in traction. I have absolutely no sympathy for some random asshole who tries to challenge me in real life. They are nothing more to me than a piece of meat. You can get the fuck out of the saido masochism forum and go happily find a fucking tree hugging vegitarian forum to spout your bullshit to. Find some other weak livered bretheren like yourself to whine and cry to.

If you have a problem with that I will happily supply you with my home address and you can come and get your visit straight to hell in person. I am an alpha male Dominant with tendencies for extreme violence. I weigh in at two hundred and fifty six pounds of pure destruction. Do not ever try to suck up to me or try to be anything but my bitch. I sugges that you never post in this forum again. If you ever step up to me you will not survive. Now get the fuck away from me and never speak to me again. You do not posess the basic masculinity to ever by my peer.

 

[TaintedB]

Let's get one thing straight motherfucker. What I am referring to is a very extreme situation. A situation where life and death are involved. So far I am still her fucking talking to you so guess what? I fucking lived, the other poor piece of shit ended up in traction. I have absolutely no sympathy for some random asshole who tries to challenge me in real life. They are nothing more to me than a piece of meat. You can get the fuck out of the saido masochism forum and go happily find a fucking tree hugging vegitarian forum to spout your bullshit to. Find some other weak livered bretheren like yourself to whine and cry to.

If you have a problem with that I will happily supply you with my home address and you can come and get your visit straight to hell in person. I am an alpha male Dominant with tendencies for extreme violence. I weigh in at two hundred and fifty six pounds of pure destruction. Do not ever try to suck up to me or try to be anything but my bitch. I sugges that you never post in this forum again. If you ever step up to me you will not survive. Now get the fuck away from me and never speak to me again. You do not posess the basic masculinity to ever by my peer.

If I may referee for a moment.

Uh, Mr. Fierce Badger?

I think Private Label is a sub-she and that she is worried or afraid that you might "let loose" that way on a defenseless submissive woman who happened to piss you off by saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, rather than on some jerk who attacked you first. She also doesn't know you, and doesn't know that you're more likely to redden a naughty bottom than than to pulverive a submissive to a pulp.

Private Label, the badger is OK! I gave this man a big insult the other day by posting a pic of him in a costume that I found on the collarme site (It wasn't on purpose, I didn't know it was Betticus--it sure didn't look like him--and I thought the costume very silly!) and he was very gentle with me about it. No traction here.

But you gotta cut men some slack; their very different hormonal balance makes them feel very differently than most women do in "fight or flight" situations, and even makes giving into violent urges at non-emergency times appealing to them. I think Betticus is doing the right thing by asking other guys how they handle this, because it is a situation that comes up sometimes in bdsm stituations. It's better to go into it forearmed.

 

[Netzach]

If I may referee for a moment.

Uh, Mr. Fierce Badger?

I think Private Label is a sub-she and that she is worried or afraid that you might "let loose" that way on a defenseless submissive woman who happened to piss you off by saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, rather than on some jerk who attacked you first. She also doesn't know you, and doesn't know that you're more likely to redden a naughty bottom than than to pulverive a submissive to a pulp.

Private Label, the badger is OK! I gave this man a big insult the other day by posting a pic of him in a costume that I found on the collarme site (It wasn't on purpose, I didn't know it was Betticus--it sure didn't look like him--and I thought the costume very silly!) and he was very gentle with me about it. No traction here.

But you gotta cut men some slack; their very different hormonal balance makes them feel very differently than most women do in "fight or flight" situations, and even makes giving into violent urges at non-emergency times appealing to them. I think Betticus is doing the right thing by asking other guys how they handle this, because it is a situation that comes up sometimes in bdsm stituations. It's better to go into it forearmed.

I'm not gonna dissect B here, but this *does* bring up some interesting issues.

This is an object lesson in why Netz has never voluntarily bent knee to a man's man type and never ever will. Those impulses make as much sense to me as Cuneiform. I find them charming in a chained msub and usually with patience can make those sorts eat from my hand, like a horse whisperer in black leather. Point is, I don't find them charming enough to encourage.

I also question the biological determinism of "boys will be boys" and "war is inevitable." Was listening to lily livered Howard Zinn (who was a bomber pilot in WWII) discourse on the nature of war and how it's a lot of things, but questioning if it IS in "human nature" despite the fact we keep doing it.

I know FemDoms who have lost control with subs and see this as no big deal. I know FemDoms who I would not let near me with a ping pong paddle because their attitudes are so fucking sucky across the board, and they treat their fellow Dommes with the most contemptible kind of behavior and competition. I think the only subs who are impressed with them are generally impressionable and not especially quality, but that's my own snottiness I guess. To me, to be gracious, even keeled, and above the rabble is a real sign of class, in men, women, and any other gender you can come up with.

 

[Betticus]

I think Private Label is a sub-she and that she is worried or afraid that you might "let loose" that way on a defenseless submissive woman who happened to piss you off by saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, rather than on some jerk who attacked you first. She also doesn't know you, and doesn't know that you're more likely to redden a naughty bottom than than to pulverive a submissive to a pulp.

My mistake. I thought she was a male. For the record I was talking about the kind of situation where you are attacked on the street and are in a life and death type of situation. Not an S&M scene.

Either way I do not like being referred to as: "a violent peice of shit who needs to inflict fear, who has NO self control, and should be incarcerated."

Also. While I have been extremely furious with females in the past I have never physically hurt one. I walk away from those situations. Men are fair game though, I have absolutely no sympathy for men.

 

[graceanne]

Being new and still exploring this area of interests, my question/comment/gut reaction is - as others have mentioned - Scary and in a BAD non-sexual way.

As a Sub, I am trusting you the Dom/Master/PYL to ask me what my limits are and keep them in mind while we play. Pain to enhance pleasure is one thing, Pain done to be doing it just to be doing it is downright criminal.

Not just in the "too intense" department, not just in the physical harm -which could include breaking bones, rupturing internal organs and DEATH - yes, death, someone had to take that boogyman out of the closet -

but how could you expect your sub to ever ever trust you again? How can you expect any sub to trust you when they find out you lost control?

Please consider that the difference between having impulses and acting on them is the difference between a rational adult and a ... violent peice of shit who needs to inflict fear, who has NO self control, and should be incarcerated.

Sorry for being so blunt, but that is my gut reaction. I hope that if you do plan on "letting go" that you at least tell your sub and give you sub the chance discuss it - safe word, safe zone, or even ask that you not "let go" at all.

PL, were you attacking Betticus with that phrase 'a violent piece of shit . . .', or was that general?

And I have to say that when you are attacked you have to fight back. When I was a child my mom said that if you ignored attackers they'd go away. It's not true. That tells them that you're an easy mark, and they keep coming back.

 

[Marquis]

I'll never figure out why people get so heated online.

What are you going to do, email them a cyber-punch?

 

[graceanne]

I'll never figure out why people get so heated online.

What are you going to do, email them a cyber-punch?

You can do that?

 

[AngelicAssassin]

You can do that?

Cyber Punch (ALCOHOLIC)
INGREDIENTS:

2 apples, chopped
2 oranges, peeled and chopped
1 small pineapple, peeled and chopped
1 can stoned cherries or maraschino cherries
For other fruit see Cooks Tip
500ml Spiced Gold
1 x 4 litre punch bowl
370ml champagne (½ a bottle), chilled
370ml vodka (½ a bottle), chilled
370ml cane spirit (½ a bottle), chilled
500ml ginger ale, chilled
1 litre fruit cocktail juice, chilled
700ml lemonade, chilled
ice see Cooks Tip
mint leaves


METHOD:

1. Place all the chopped fruit in a sealable container and pour the Spiced Gold over.
2. Seal and refrigerate overnight.
3. Cover the bottom of the punch bowl with ice.
4. Pour in the fruit with the Spiced Gold.
5. Pour in the champagne, vodka, cane, ginger ale, fruit cocktail and lemonade.
6. Throw in a few mint leaves and stir gently.
7. Serve in punch glasses and decorate as desired with umbrella's, straws, cherries etc.
8. This punch can easily be doubled in quantity if you are expecting a larger crowd.

If nothing else, you'd get your opponent's machine drunk when they opened email.

If all else fails, script this. Click me.

 

[Netzach]

Please consider that the difference between having impulses and acting on them is the difference between a rational adult and a ... violent peice of shit who needs to inflict fear, who has NO self control, and should be incarcerated.

This sounded very abstract to me, I don't sense a lot of personal implication here. I don't see why it should matter whether the poster is male or female, esp. since people lie about that kind of thing all the time online anyway.

And AA makes me wish I could drink again. Farking meds.

 

[Marquis]

And AA makes me wish I could drink again. Farking meds.

I hear that. My drinking days are ancient history unfortunately.

 

[Guest]

I looked it up, took a while to find anything relevant but in one place it was talking about early Vikings using berserkers as shock troops. Then there was a modern take on the phenomenon as a form of psychosis somewhat related to epilepsy. Finally there was a paper that I found that correlates Grendel, the villain in that Norse? epic poem with berserker behaviour. It said:

The primary characteristics of the
berserk are:

(1) association with animals, including shape-shifting abilities;
(2) terrifying appearance;
(3) immunity to weapons via spells or the wearing of (magically) protective
animal skins;
(4) berserker rage, including turning purple in the face, loss of human
reason, acquisition of enormous strength and animal behavior (killing
and howling), followed by profound bodily weakness and disability;
(5) rejection by the community due to excesses of violence.

I can only sympathize with number 4. Under duress your body can shift blood from your organs to your muscles, also there is a dump of adrenaline thus the strength and subsequent shaking and weakness after it's over. The loss of reason though has to be a psychological factor. In a rage I get the blood flush but it feels more like a swelling of the muscles but at the same time all fear and most reason disappear. Afterwards you are extremely fatigued for several hours and have to eat a lot to get your blood sugar back up. Your body burns calories like you are on fire during the time you are amped up.

It really takes a pretty strong, immediate physical threat to happen though. Like if you are attacked. I think it's more of an autonomous defensive reaction. Like with those women you hear about lifting cars off of their children.

Well, given the modern frame of reference ... You can pretty much skip all but #s 4 and 5...
Why 5?
Because there is more than one person in prison who lost control and went farther than they would have ordinarily....
So, what you have described is pretty much the classical berserkergang with the numinism and animism stripped away...
And yeah, the old school used em as shock troops.... They were useful..But, 'zerks were pretty universally not trusted... They had a certain tendancy to not be to observant about who was in front of their sword (due to the symptoms), but a lot of the mis-trust I think, always stemmed from the old school connection to that same numinism and animistic influence...

 

[Betticus]

I am only assuming that back in the day they used the animal stuff etc. as a phychological tool. If your enemy in combat is already terrified then you are more than likely going to cut through them like a scythe through wheat.

What I can relate to (in life or death on the street situations for any cocksucker out there that wants to fuck with me) is the loss of control. For me it isn't a loss of control that goes so far that I will begin to take out my loved ones but with people who are trying to take me down it is different. I speak to them in a sense during the fighting. My friends that have witnessed it say that it seems to be a very animalistic and very challenging form of Latin. What I think that I'm saying to them is not what leaves my lips. Sometimes it is just nonsensical gibberish as the animal side of my brain has completely taken over. Sometimes it is that I feel such an incredible rush of sheer power that I giggle and take on an almost sexual glee when I am breaking someone under the power of my own body. Sometimes I like to describe to them what it is that I'm going to do to them but that is when it comes out in another language and I'm not aware that they cannot understand me. It all depends on how far I am into that state of being.

The one thing that is the same each time though is the bloodlust. There is a joyous release in me when I feel the bone of an enemy break under my fist. Their screams are to me like the cries of a lover being taken over into extreme bliss. I feel only great pleasure and a hunger for more.

This isn't something that happens during sex or when I am in control of a woman. Those are very bland things compared to an enraged bloodlust. There is no drug on Earth that can equal it. There is no way to make any of you understand it unless you have been through the same thing. In that state you drop any weapon you might be holding. There is only your body and your hands and teeth. There is not enough higher brain function left for the handling of tools. There is just hunger and glee. Magnified a thousand times.

 

[graceanne]

Cyber Punch (ALCOHOLIC)
INGREDIENTS:

2 apples, chopped
2 oranges, peeled and chopped
1 small pineapple, peeled and chopped
1 can stoned cherries or maraschino cherries
For other fruit see Cooks Tip
500ml Spiced Gold
1 x 4 litre punch bowl
370ml champagne (½ a bottle), chilled
370ml vodka (½ a bottle), chilled
370ml cane spirit (½ a bottle), chilled
500ml ginger ale, chilled
1 litre fruit cocktail juice, chilled
700ml lemonade, chilled
ice see Cooks Tip
mint leaves


METHOD:

1. Place all the chopped fruit in a sealable container and pour the Spiced Gold over.
2. Seal and refrigerate overnight.
3. Cover the bottom of the punch bowl with ice.
4. Pour in the fruit with the Spiced Gold.
5. Pour in the champagne, vodka, cane, ginger ale, fruit cocktail and lemonade.
6. Throw in a few mint leaves and stir gently.
7. Serve in punch glasses and decorate as desired with umbrella's, straws, cherries etc.
8. This punch can easily be doubled in quantity if you are expecting a larger crowd.

If nothing else, you'd get your opponent's machine drunk when they opened email.

If all else fails, script this. Click me.

LMAO I'm gonna send that link to my grandpa, he'll love it! lol

 

[Marquis]

Your choices left the building with Elvis the moment you engaged. You had two choices prior to the wrestling match:

• Walk away with the lady in hand. Allow idiot to make the first move. If he does, put him down hard, or let the bouncers intervene.
• Get to point you described. Smack his nose one time to start the tear works and blood river. Get up and walk immediately to the exit with lady in hand. He won't follow because he can't see. If the lady doesn't become outraged at your Cro-Magnon behavior, you're on your way to a private location for fun and games of your choosing.

i prefer the former. i want asshole ejected, not me, especially if i paid to attend. i control the situation, not the boor, and that in itself puts the cherry on top of my sundae. Add a well timed phone call to campus security (or the police) prior to your exit from said event. Mr. Boor, if he's stupid enough to accost you on exit, spends the night in a drunk tank and/or cash he can't afford to get out of jail. Would anyone else care for caramel on their sundae?

I missed this earlier.

I avoid confrontation at almost all costs these days. Could just be my social anxiety, but I seem to be someone who draws a lot of attention in crowds, both positive and negative. I was the odd one out a lot as a kid and the only thing that saved me from being a serious victim of bullying was a "I'll fight anyone, anywhere, anytime" attitude.

That tactic is no longer useful to me as an adult, but I still have a hard time backing down. Some part of me still thinks if I let this slide, I'm just opening the door to everyone and their mother thinking my jacket, my bike and my lunch money is up for grabs.

Your suggested way of handling the situation is what I go with these days though. Furthermore, I've gotten damn good at disabling someone diplomatically. I think 90% of the time people start shit with me it's because I make them feel insecure somehow. When they approach me, instead of taking their challenge as an affront, I compliment them and tell them I would never want to fuck with them. I tell them how much I like their outfit, or how pretty their girlfriend is. It takes a special kind of asshole to swing on someone after all that.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

I avoid confrontation at almost all costs these days ... Furthermore, I've gotten damn good at disabling someone diplomatically. I think 90% of the time people start shit with me it's because I make them feel insecure somehow. When they approach me, instead of taking their challenge as an affront, I ...

Spoken like a man with wisdom. Getting drug into a physical confrontation with someone (and hopefully winning) doesn't make you wise, nor dominant. i equate it with getting topped from the bottom, assuming your opponent ends up on the bottom, so to speak. i highlighted almost for a reason. On occasion, one will find oneself in a no-win situation. One does what one must to get extricated from said situation. How one got there to begin with involves another discussion.

 

[Netzach]

When they approach me, instead of taking their challenge as an affront, I compliment them and tell them I would never want to fuck with them. I tell them how much I like their outfit, or how pretty their girlfriend is. It takes a special kind of asshole to swing on someone after all that.

This is so suave. I need to learn this when the urge to scream and shout comes on. I feel the pull to do it all verbally, and the urge to dismantle someone ignorant is at times so overwhelming...but is there really a point?

 

[AngelicAssassin]

... the urge to dismantle someone ignorant is at times so overwhelming...but is there really a point?

Only when you can compliment on one level and denigrate on another ...

 

[Marquis]

Only when you can compliment on one level and denigrate on another ...

Exactly, I learned a long time ago that the sweetest revenge is success.

The best way to insult someone isn't to put them down, but simply to be better than them.

 

[Netzach]

Exactly, I learned a long time ago that the sweetest revenge is success.

The best way to insult someone isn't to put them down, but simply to be better than them.

Spoken like a true Jedi Zen Master.

In true moments of weakness I still have to shout when I meet honest to God stupid. Willful stupid, not just ignorant or limited.

 

[graceanne]

Spoken like a true Jedi Zen Master.

In true moments of weakness I still have to shout when I meet honest to God stupid. Willful stupid, not just ignorant or limited.

In a confrontation with a stupid person I don't bother. I'm not going to change their minds or make them smart or anything. I don't see the point in wasting my air. I know who I am, and what I'm worth. I know that I'm smart and worthwile. I could care less what an absolute stranger thinks or says about me. The people that I care about aren't stupid, and they know me, and who I am. I have nothing to prove.