Clicking off the safety

[Brinnie]

there's risks in anything..

 

[catalina_francisco]

Interesting turn of events, on our weekend visit, along the lines of where we draw the line. We had a good night last night with the thought in our minds he had to leave again this afternoon. Given we indulged in play we hadn't for awhile, thus my body was a bit out of the familiarity cycle with it...and perhaps also was influenced by up and down health these past months.....the outcome this morning was not something which usually occurs. Not only was I feeling a bit drained, but I ended up throwing up and it was definately related to the effects of the night before. He admitted he actually got a buzz out of knowing I was throwing up from his actions, though he wasn't quite sure he felt it was a good thing but may perhaps occur again because he liked it and could move to a place where he felt OK with it. Once I would have felt disgusted or at the least not happy with that, but have to admit as much as I abhor throwing up, I too found it brought about a different reaction in me because it was a result of submitting to his desires and needs, and suffering for his pleasure...I anticipate as much as I won't want it to be something regular, I will find joy in enduring it again for him.

Catalina

 

[Betticus]

I still want to come to the Netherlands. And I want one of those syrup waffle cookie things. They are all sticky and gooey and wonderful.

 

[FurryFury]

Interesting turn of events, on our weekend visit, along the lines of where we draw the line. We had a good night last night with the thought in our minds he had to leave again this afternoon. Given we indulged in play we hadn't for awhile, thus my body was a bit out of the familiarity cycle with it...and perhaps also was influenced by up and down health these past months.....the outcome this morning was not something which usually occurs. Not only was I feeling a bit drained, but I ended up throwing up and it was definately related to the effects of the night before. He admitted he actually got a buzz out of knowing I was throwing up from his actions, though he wasn't quite sure he felt it was a good thing but may perhaps occur again because he liked it and could move to a place where he felt OK with it. Once I would have felt disgusted or at the least not happy with that, but have to admit as much as I abhor throwing up, I too found it brought about a different reaction in me because it was a result of submitting to his desires and needs, and suffering for his pleasure...I anticipate as much as I won't want it to be something regular, I will find joy in enduring it again for him.

Catalina

This is interesting.

I love when you pass your limits or the limits you set as a couple. It feels freeing to do so.

Fury

 

[catalina_francisco]

I still want to come to the Netherlands. And I want one of those syrup waffle cookie things. They are all sticky and gooey and wonderful.

LOL, if you are talking about what I think you are, they are a favourite thing of F's too, but he tries to resist.

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

I still want to come to the Netherlands. And I want one of those syrup waffle cookie things. They are all sticky and gooey and wonderful.

Could you mean Belgian waffles? I love those with fresh fruit and whipped cream!

There used to be a place in New Orleans that did them so well call Van's on Decatur street, also had a fine Hurricane drink. Perfect breakfast with some chicory coffee. Sadly Van's closed a couple of years ago to be replaced by an establishment of high prices and low quality.


Fury

 

[catalina_francisco]

This is interesting.

I love when you pass your limits or the limits you set as a couple. It feels freeing to do so.

Fury

We seem to have passed a lot of ours and are still moving forward...makes it easier just going with the flow instead of trying to think ahead, analyse over much, worry about whether it is a good or bad idea beyond the normal safety things and even then we tend to share a fascination for expansion past what most may think is good.

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

We seem to have passed a lot of ours and are still moving forward...makes it easier just going with the flow instead of trying to think ahead, analyse over much, worry about whether it is a good or bad idea beyond the normal safety things and even then we tend to share a fascination for expansion past what most may think is good.

Catalina

Gotta say it, I envy you two!

*grins*

Fury

 

[Betticus]

LOL, if you are talking about what I think you are, they are a favourite thing of F's too, but he tries to resist.

Catalina

I think they are called stroopwaffel or something like that. A couple of inches across or so with a little waffle pattern. Couple of thin soft waffle cookie things sandwiched together with some really gooey syrup.

Those are like crack cocaine!

 

[FurryFury]

I think they are called stroopwaffel or something like that. A couple of inches across or so with a little waffle pattern. Couple of thin soft waffle cookie things sandwiched together with some really gooey syrup.

Those are like crack cocaine!

Damn, two things I've never tried!

Those waffle cookies sound like something I could only do one or two bites of then I'd be overwhelmed by them and have to stop!

Fury

 

[graceanne]

I think they are called stroopwaffel or something like that. A couple of inches across or so with a little waffle pattern. Couple of thin soft waffle cookie things sandwiched together with some really gooey syrup.

Those are like crack cocaine!

Do they have chocolate syrup in them? Cause otherwise . . . I'd still take a chocolate covered cherries anyday.

 

[nusubgurl]

I think they are called stroopwaffel or something like that. A couple of inches across or so with a little waffle pattern. Couple of thin soft waffle cookie things sandwiched together with some really gooey syrup.

Those are like crack cocaine!

They are stroopwafels and i adore them. My friend Marga sends them and Belgian chocolates to me at Easter and Christmas...well, that and a cat, usually... she called to tell me the Christmas package is being mailed tomorrow ...the cat flies in on KLM!!!

In case you've never had them, they are made with two thin graham sugar cookies <eyes gracie nervously> with a thick caramel sandwiched in between. Traditionally, you lay one on a cup of hot tea and the steam warms and softens the filling, making for a oozy gooey treat.

Betticus is correct. they are addictive.

Betticus, honey, Sir...<batting eyelashes coyly>...would you like to come to Texas and eat my cookie??

 

[FurryFury]

caramel

one of my fav things in the whole world.

Fury

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Forget worrying about graceanne

... they are made with two thin graham sugar cookies <eyes gracie nervously> with a thick caramel sandwiched in between.

You come near my stroopwafels, you earn immediate absolution.

 

[FurryFury]

You come near my stroopwafels, you earn immediate absolution.

*chuckles*

That's...provocative.

Fury

 

[catalina_francisco]

I think they are called stroopwaffel or something like that. A couple of inches across or so with a little waffle pattern. Couple of thin soft waffle cookie things sandwiched together with some really gooey syrup.

Those are like crack cocaine!

Ah, my weakness is amandelspijs....could eat it until the cows come home and then some.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Gotta say it, I envy you two!

*grins*

Fury

We are indeed very fortunate and blessed beings.

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

Ah, my weakness is amandelspijs....could eat it until the cows come home and then some.

Catalina

Looking up the recipe I have to say, yum. I think I'd like them and yes you two are very blessed beings.

Fury

 

[Betticus]

They are stroopwafels and i adore them. My friend Marga sends them and Belgian chocolates to me at Easter and Christmas...well, that and a cat, usually... she called to tell me the Christmas package is being mailed tomorrow ...the cat flies in on KLM!!!

In case you've never had them, they are made with two thin graham sugar cookies <eyes gracie nervously> with a thick caramel sandwiched in between. Traditionally, you lay one on a cup of hot tea and the steam warms and softens the filling, making for a oozy gooey treat.

Betticus is correct. they are addictive.

Betticus, honey, Sir...<batting eyelashes coyly>...would you like to come to Texas and eat my cookie??

Naughty!

I didn't know about the hot tea thing but it sounds devine!

Some jackass gave me a particularly vicious strain of the ebola pox (common cold) so my time is limited. Yes, I'm not gonna make it. Someone bring me a stroopwafel and make me some hot tea.

 

[Betticus]

Ah, my weakness is amandelspijs....could eat it until the cows come home and then some.

Catalina

You have the best smileys ever!

 

[ownedsubgal]

Okay, this one is for both the dominants and submissives. I've kept pretty tight control on my sadistic, controlling urges for quite a long time while I've been learning more about the bdsm lifestyle. Learning about different peoples needs, what is proper and what is just stupid or dangerous.

Now I would like to open some discussion on letting go of the control and unleashing those urges. I'm not worried about not being able to let go, I'm worried that I will go way too far. Too intense. That I will really hurt someone.

What I would like is some feedback from the Dominant crowd on how you handle it, not just safewords and stuff like that. In your own mind, how do you keep from going way over the line?

From you Submissive types, what goes through your mind when you see a Dom losing control? Becoming something like a rabid dog with the sadism and violence.

Also, anything else. Other thoughts on the subject or anything you think may help.

Thanks.

this is exactly why i fear my Master so...because i know he is certainly capable of clicking off that safety and losing control to an extent. when he is in that mode, it's almost like a physical change overcomes him. His eyes grow darker and colder, and my loving, compassionate, protective Daddy is gone, and in his place is a Man with a need and compulsive drive for release. these are the moments when he will take the greatest risks with me physically and emotionally. not just in his own actions, but in the way he will allow others to treat/use me as well. i fear, and i worry. worry about disease, or permanent physical injury, or a complete mental and emotional breakdown. i also worry about him...i worry about that moment when he snaps out of it, and is back to normal again, but the damage is already done and he has to deal with guilt and regret and all those other unpleasant things. although so far he has always managed to keep some part of his mind/heart aware enough not to lose complete control, he lets go enough to cause significant damage.

this loss of control can express itself in many ways...sometimes it's purely sexual, and he will just penetrate me until i am raw and bloody. sometimes he simply needs to beat the stuffing out of somebody (not scene, or play, just a good old-fashioned fists feet and whatever object happens to be handy whoopin'), and since i am always there, well *shrug*....and sometimes it's about getting his perversions relating to my use by others fed. maybe handing me off to a total stranger for a brief period, or allowing a lifestyle friend to use me without the usual restrictions. nothing safe or sane or even consentual about it. but then, being SSC is never his goal.

although it scares me when he gets like that...at the same time i feel a great sense of relief and fulfillment that he is getting a much needed release, and that i can be the one to provide him with that release. it is not healthy or natural imo to always be 100% cool calm and in-control, keeping all that negative stuff pent up inside.

 

[FurryFury]

this is exactly why i fear my Master so...because i know he is certainly capable of clicking off that safety and losing control to an extent. when he is in that mode, it's almost like a physical change overcomes him. His eyes grow darker and colder, and my loving, compassionate, protective Daddy is gone, and in his place is a Man with a need and compulsive drive for release. these are the moments when he will take the greatest risks with me physically and emotionally. not just in his own actions, but in the way he will allow others to treat/use me as well. i fear, and i worry. worry about disease, or permanent physical injury, or a complete mental and emotional breakdown. i also worry about him...i worry about that moment when he snaps out of it, and is back to normal again, but the damage is already done and he has to deal with guilt and regret and all those other unpleasant things. although so far he has always managed to keep some part of his mind/heart aware enough not to lose complete control, he lets go enough to cause significant damage.

this loss of control can express itself in many ways...sometimes it's purely sexual, and he will just penetrate me until i am raw and bloody. sometimes he simply needs to beat the stuffing out of somebody (not scene, or play, just a good old-fashioned fists feet and whatever object happens to be handy whoopin'), and since i am always there, well *shrug*....and sometimes it's about getting his perversions relating to my use by others fed. maybe handing me off to a total stranger for a brief period, or allowing a lifestyle friend to use me without the usual restrictions. nothing safe or sane or even consentual about it. but then, being SSC is never his goal.

although it scares me when he gets like that...at the same time i feel a great sense of relief and fulfillment that he is getting a much needed release, and that i can be the one to provide him with that release. it is not healthy or natural imo to always be 100% cool calm and in-control, keeping all that negative stuff pent up inside.

I understand how you feel when you say that he scares you and that you get a sense or relief and fulfillment at providing him with his release. I agree that it is not natural to always be 100% cool calm, or keep all that negative stuff pent up inside but...I have three questions for you.

One do youget to let your negative side out with him?

Two do you truly feel it is non consensual on your part at times?

Three are there no safe words you can use?

Fury

 

[ownedsubgal]

I understand how you feel when you say that he scares you and that you get a sense or relief and fulfillment at providing him with his release. I agree that it is not natural to always be 100% cool calm, or keep all that negative stuff pent up inside but...I have three questions for you.

One do youget to let your negative side out with him?

Two do you truly feel it is non consensual on your part at times?

Three are there no safe words you can use?

Fury

hi Fury...to answer your questions:

it depends what you mean by "negative side". if you mean the sort of rage/aggression/perversion he expresses at times, i don't really experience those emotions to the intensity that he does, so i would never need such a release. it's rare that i even feel anger, and 99% of the time it's directed towards myself. in the past, i would take that anger out on myself in physical ways, until he reminded me none-so-gently that only he has the right to abuse my body. when i feel that anger now, i will talk to him about it if he allows me the opportunity.

as for the consent issue...as a slave, i gave consent to him once, and from that point on my consent is a moot issue. whether i am willing or not willing, want or don't want, is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. but were i a "free" person, yes many if not all of those moments would be nonconsensual.

as for safewords, they don't exist in our relationship. safewords give one a measure of power and control, two things i am not allowed as property.

 

[FurryFury]

hi Fury...to answer your questions:

it depends what you mean by "negative side". if you mean the sort of rage/aggression/perversion he expresses at times, i don't really experience those emotions to the intensity that he does, so i would never need such a release. it's rare that i even feel anger, and 99% of the time it's directed towards myself. in the past, i would take that anger out on myself in physical ways, until he reminded me none-so-gently that only he has the right to abuse my body. when i feel that anger now, i will talk to him about it if he allows me the opportunity.

as for the consent issue...as a slave, i gave consent to him once, and from that point on my consent is a moot issue. whether i am willing or not willing, want or don't want, is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. but were i a "free" person, yes many if not all of those moments would be nonconsensual.

as for safewords, they don't exist in our relationship. safewords give one a measure of power and control, two things i am not allowed as property.

Hi OwnedSubGal!

Don't you think that letting him take out his feelings on you also helps you cleanse your own feelings?

What you say about being property, makes me uncomfortable but maybe that is just my own little problem. I think I would have to feel the struggle to consent each time to be satisfied with the situation. I've been in a long term non consent relationship so now I have to feel that it is my choice to give, that I have an option, even if I won't use it.

I'm not trying to judge your situation but some of the things you said, well they did twinge my antennae a bit so I just wanted to ask you a couple of things.

Thanks for answering them so well.

I wish you all the best.

Fury

 

[Betticus]

Stroopwaffels, Stroopwaffles, or Stroopwafels (also known as caramel cookie waffles) are the most popular cookie in the Netherlands. There a many copycat products out there, but there is really nothing like the real thing.

What exactly are stroopwaffels? Here's the answer; 2 thin, hard rounds of waffle-indented biscuit, wedged together with a kind of syrup. They are chewy when you bite them and taste of cinnamon and mixed spice and aren't too sweet. All stroopwaffels are made with 100% roomboter (cream butter)

Some people enjoy eating their stroopwafels warm. To do this they simply place the waffle on top of their warm cup of coffee or tea. After a couple of minutes the stroopwafel has warmed up and the syrup has melted a little bit. You can also place it in the microwave for about ten to fifteen seconds.