Come and play with me

[Lauren Hynde]

You people - and I'm primarily directing this at MET and QP - really need to take a chill pill and tone down the paranoia.

I'll repeat what I said here yesterday after MsPortia's post:

These threads may not be not exactly appropriate, if you go by the forum guidelines set by the owners, but are tolerated in favour of a peaceful atmosphere in the community.

The another poster, thegirl, pointed out that we're all human, and the need to play is as vital as the need to write, etc. Which is true, and so I summarised with both sides of matter:

That's why these threads have always been tolerated, as far as they don't become so prevalent as to make the real Feedback and Discussion threads hard to find.

On the other hand, that is why there's a forum right next door called Author's Hangout - yes, author refers to poets as well - and a Playground forum a bit further down the street. You'll notice that you don't find any flirt threads on Poetry Feedback & Discussion's sister forums, Story Feedback and Story Discussion Circle. You'll mostly just see Feedback and Discussion on those.

If you two want to construct that as a threat to your way of life, that is your problem. But to attack the perfectly rational and well-explained views of a fellow member simply because she only has 2 posts, is beyond ridiculous.

By your logic, the concept of having a thread like Recognition for New Poets would be laughable, because they have no posts whatsoever, so how can what they write matter?

 

[Du Lac]

Lauren

Stop it. It seems since Eve and Angeline have left you have been on a crusade to control all who post here. You never posted on any of these threads before so, I ask why should you now? It seems that Eve and Angeline were your balancing vortexes and without them you have been set loose on the threads like a painful boil rising to erupt. I say this not to attack or hurt but to make you see what others see and feel here on the forum using a visual sense.

I am not paranoid and I have tried to remain neutral and behind the scene on all these horrendous negative posts. You chase after the ones you do not feel side with your views. Let it go now. I tried to put the rules into action on this thread and return to some inspirational fun writing in which to learn from. You drag the nastiness back in. LET IT GO.

It has come down to this. There is very little poetry being written in this forum. Your hunting of others and their responses to you (which I keep saying just let it go .. to them also) are ruining this forum. It is no longer a fun place to come to and learn. YOU HAVE DONE THIS as well as others and now myself by giving you the power by responding. You are behaving like a child demanding that all see it your way. Let it go and write. You are an excellent writer and instead of pouring your energies into this battle use them for a greater purpose ... direct that passion I feel from you into your writing... and wow it will be powerful to read. I look forward to your writes when you do this.

Please understand that this is not an attack but a plea for you to see what this forum has become. I do not blame Eve and Angeline for leaving because only negative dark stunted writing can come from the dark energy that flows on these boards as we speak. If we can not be civil on a poetry thread how can we be civil when dealing with life on life's terms?

Thank you for listening
Du Lac~

 

[Lauren Hynde]

You never posted on any of these threads before so, I ask why should you now?

I posted here in response to gratuitous insult. I have never attacked anyone here or anywhere else, but merely responded to irrational slander that were never, not even once backed by any logic or factual examples. Your attempts to "remain neutral" constantly forget that. If you were neutral, you would realise it.

Do this for once in your life, if you please. Make a list of "all horrendous negative posts" I made. Do it for yourself, so that you realise how off-target you are. Do it to understand who are the ones that "chase after the ones they do not feel side with their views." Do it for yourself.

 

[Du Lac]

I posted here in response to gratuitous insult. I have never attacked anyone here or anywhere else, but merely responded to irrational slander that were never, not even once backed by any logic or factual examples. Your attempts to "remain neutral" constantly forget that. If you were neutral, you would realise it.

Do this for once in your life, if you please. Make a list of "all horrendous negative posts" I made. Do it for yourself, so that you realise how off-target you are. Do it to understand who are the ones that "chase after the ones they do not feel side with their views." Do it for yourself.

I do not need to Lauren for your picking out only the negative you saw in my posting proves what I said. You never once realized that there was much positive in the posting about you hence I feel sorry for you. I will once again bow out I thought that maybe just maybe a small voice of reason would put a dent into your armor.
blessings
du lac~

 

[Du Lac]

Mudpuddles:

His mind was like
fucking
a 3 inch mud puddle,
Shallow, dirty and not very deep.

Bottom hit too soon, lost in the muck
sunk in the mire of living.


okay back to the fun.. next....

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I do not need to Lauren and I feel sorry for you. I will once again bow out I thought that maybe just maybe a small voice of reason would put a dent into your armor.
blessings
du lac~

Your small voice of reason would probably be better directed inwards. You do need it.

Ask yourself why you felt the need to post something like that after a post where I tried to cool down the belicous attitudes of your two friends, to guarantee them that if they had no need to read any animosity against their "fun" threads. A post where i merely summarised what is fact, and defended a new poster from their chauvinistic attitudes, simply because they disagreed with her.

But no, you don't need it. You already made up your mind. I am the one who feels sorry for you.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

And if you think very little poetry is being written in this forum, maybe you have been looking in the wrong places...

 

[Du Lac]

Your small voice of reason would probably be better directed inwards. You do need it.

Ask yourself why you felt the need to post something like that after a post where I tried to cool down the belicous attitudes of your two friends, to guarantee them that if they had no need to read any animosity against their "fun" threads. A post where i merely summarised what is fact, and defended a new poster from their chauvinistic attitudes, simply because they disagreed with her.

But no, you don't need it. You already made up your mind. I am the one who feels sorry for you.

This is my last response to this nonsense. If you read the post I made I said I was not attacking you. I included both sides when I said horrendous negative posting. I said that I also told them to let it go. You take things so personal and it is all about you. So instead of seeing that I said you are an excellent writer that if you threw this passion into your writing it would be so powerful and make statements for all to hear ... you belittle me:

Do this for once in your life,

Your small voice of reason would probably be better directed inwards. You do need it.

I did not do this to you or to Portia who I happen to understand why she posted her response as such. I posted this because I understand your ways Lauren, you write with slight peaceful rhetoric but with bitter and defensive undertones laced within the long winded verbage of .....I, Lauren must be right.

When you learn that it is not always about you.... and that regardless we are all connected and influence each other with our actions then you will start upon the path of wisdom. In the meantime you only help create the negative here with your attacks and brutality. I will not play. I have the right to feel and see what I do... I do not say that how this is being handled by others on the forum is correct. But I have never read a post by Quiet poet that belittles anyone. He has made observations and had an opinion on them. In return he has been insulted, ignored and treated unfairly. Yes dear I do need to have my own small voice of reason speak to my soul, we all do. That is how balance is restored. You are still to experience this. I hope that someday soon you do.

blessings
du lac~

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I posted this because I understand your ways Lauren, you write with slight peaceful rhetoric but with bitter and defensive undertones laced within the long winded verbage of .....I, Lauren must be right.

And that's all that really tickles you, isn't it? You know me, and decided that all I say has a second intention. You really are a small, pitiful person.

 

[Du Lac]

And that's all that really tickles you, isn't it? You know me, and decided that all I say has a second intention. You really are a small, pitiful person.

This comment says it all about you I rest my case. I have learned that when we sling mud at someone as you are doing to me at the moment only reflects the truth about yourself that you hate. So dear one when you call me small and pitiful I am not offended for I do know the truth about myself therefore, you can only hurt me if I let you.... and you do not have that power only I do. Let go Lauren and write
du lac~

 

[Jennifer C]

Lauren

Stop it. It seems since Eve and Angeline have left you have been on a crusade to control all who post here. You never posted on any of these threads before so, I ask why should you now? It seems that Eve and Angeline were your balancing vortexes and without them you have been set loose on the threads like a painful boil rising to erupt. I say this not to attack or hurt but to make you see what others see and feel here on the forum using a visual sense.

I am not paranoid and I have tried to remain neutral and behind the scene on all these horrendous negative posts. You chase after the ones you do not feel side with your views. Let it go now. I tried to put the rules into action on this thread and return to some inspirational fun writing in which to learn from. You drag the nastiness back in. LET IT GO.

It has come down to this. There is very little poetry being written in this forum. Your hunting of others and their responses to you (which I keep saying just let it go .. to them also) are ruining this forum. It is no longer a fun place to come to and learn. YOU HAVE DONE THIS as well as others and now myself by giving you the power by responding. You are behaving like a child demanding that all see it your way. Let it go and write. You are an excellent writer and instead of pouring your energies into this battle use them for a greater purpose ... direct that passion I feel from you into your writing... and wow it will be powerful to read. I look forward to your writes when you do this.

Please understand that this is not an attack but a plea for you to see what this forum has become. I do not blame Eve and Angeline for leaving because only negative dark stunted writing can come from the dark energy that flows on these boards as we speak. If we can not be civil on a poetry thread how can we be civil when dealing with life on life's terms?

Thank you for listening
Du Lac~

Du huni, your post has made my day!...

I really appreciate your calm, intelligent and mature voice of reason, I am only sorry it has fell on deaf ears.

Thanks for trying though I think the best thing to do now is ignore the poison and carry on as normal.

Now i'm gonna get back to our poem.

Oh and by the way you have been mentioned on my 'Praise A Poet' thread and very rightly so too...

 

[Lauren Hynde]

This comment says it all about you I rest my case. I have learned that when we sling mud at someone as you are doing to me at the moment only reflects the truth about yourself that you hate. So dear one when you call me small and pitiful I am not offended for I do know the truth about myself therefore, you can only hurt me if I let you.... and you do not have that power only I do. Let go Lauren and write
du lac~

There's only one thing you need to know about me. I am kind, courteous, and helpful to everyone I ever came across, but I don't take shit from anyone, and I am not going to start now. If you can't live with that, it's your problem.

 

[Jennifer C]

A Poem

Picking petals
from the flowers
of my thoughts
which delicately
scatter in
lifes uneven
pattern.

Oh Look A Poem...

 

[PatCarrington]

Picking petals
from the flowers
of my thoughts
which delicately
scatter in
lifes uneven
pattern.

Oh Look A Poem...

gratuitous sarcasm is not like you, jennifer.

and not becoming.

 

[Jennifer C]

gratuitous sarcasm is not like you, jennifer.

and not becoming.

Lol sorry Pat ~ couldn't help myself

At least I posted a poem though...

 

[PatCarrington]

Lol sorry Pat ~ couldn't help myself

At least I posted a poem though...

i understand, but i think you are taking things the wrong way, and getting sassy with the wrong person, without reason.

the reason i entered this thread is because of the viciousness of someone who claims to be the cheery-eyed greeter to all newcomers, protecting them from the evil ones who are going to tell them their poetry sucks. ( which he cannot substantiate, of course, even though Liar specifically asked him to. he can't for a very good reason...IT NEVER HAPPENED...just like those accusations he threw at Lauren accusing her of cheating in a contest...it's just another thing he conjured up inside his head. the saddest thing to me is that some people buy the bullshit).

so what did this self-appointed protector of all new poets do last night. attacked a newcomer like a mad dog, and cheered one of his cronies for doing the same.

go back and read, and see if that is not what happened.

he is a hypocrite, and i do not like hypocrisy.

 

[Jennifer C]

i understand, but i think you are taking things the wrong way, and getting sassy with the wrong person, without reason.

the reason i entered this thread is because of the viciousness of someone who claims to be the cheery-eyed greeter to all newcomers, protecting them from the evil ones who are going to tell them their poetry sucks. ( which he cannot substantiate, of course, even though Liar specifically asked him to. he can't for a very good reason...IT NEVER HAPPENED...just like those accusations he threw at Lauren accusing her of cheating in a contest...it's just another thing he conjured up inside his head).

so what did this self-appointed protector of all new poets do last night. attacked a newcomer like a mad dog, and cheered one of his cronies for doing the same.

go back and read, and see if that is not what happened.

he is a hypocrite, and i do not like hypocrisy.

Pat I respect you, I really do But please do not drag me into what happened last night, it's amazing how many people have posted non poetry posts complaining about their not being enough poetry! ~ That to me is a pointless exercise.

Me and you have exchanged views serveral times in the past Pat, we always disagree lol but we never fall out ~ I don't want to start now.

This argument has gone on long enough, I want to bury it so this thread can go back to being what it was before FUN!

If people don't like it then they don't have to participate, that is there choice but to keep digging up a never ending disagreement is annoying to say the least. No disrespect intented.

Please let this die, it can do no good to continue it and it's spoiling this for other people, I politely ask people to move on, you have made your points and said your piece, for me there is nothing more to say on the subject...

 

[Du Lac]

There's only one thing you need to know about me. I am kind, courteous, and helpful to everyone I ever came across, but I don't take shit from anyone, and I am not going to start now. If you can't live with that, it's your problem.

Lauren your actions towards me only deny what you are ranting about in this last statement you made. You have been neither kind, courteous or helpful to me. I have not tried to harm you just said let it go... why can you not do that? Issues with control... you always slam it back to the other person never accepting responsibilty of your actions. I have not slammed you nor do I accuse you... I state how I see things and again you come at me with venom.

You may not like my thoughts on matters and I will state to you directly now... I do not think you have the maturity or calmness of mind to be a moderator here at the site. My thoughts my beliefs and how I see it. A good and strong moderator does not call people names as you have over and over on these boards. A fair moderator acts with respect and diginity for both THEMSELVES AND THE COMMUNITY. You select carefully only those who bend to your will to show respect to. When one calmly presents other views on matters, you bash, ignore and berate them. This is called a being a bully and to my understanding that is not the form of moderation that should be applied here.

Let us both let go of this now. I see that you see nothing good in anything I have said nor will you. Sadly, it reflects on how others view you. I have not given you any shit only insights. I never once said I KNEW YOU. Rather I said I UNDERSTOOD and there is a huge difference there. I never called you names nor did I treat you as a lessor form of life. Please Lauren step back and see how you treat others. I see so much good in you and this attitude you display does not allow that good to shine.

Now I have broken my own word in saying that I would not post anymore and fuel your fire of hate towards me. I have not once defended the words of the others you fight aganist. I only made a plea for peace. No different than what I did in private to others on this thread.

This said go ahead and berate me as you see fit Lauren. Others will see how you reacted to my comments, and sadly your true self of the moment shines. I see the good in you... why do you not just step back and let it be.

Du~

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Lauren your actions towards me only deny what you are ranting about in this last statement you made. You have been neither kind, courteous or helpful to me. I have not tried to harm you just said let it go... why can you not do that?

We have only interacted in any way twice. This is the second, with you chastising me for trying to calm down MET and QP, assuring them that no one is trying to shut down their "fun" threads, and defending the voice of a new poster. The first time was when you chastised me for defending myself against MET's shameless, vile slander. You'll have to excuse me if I was less than happy giggly to you on either of those occasions. You're nothing but a hypocrite. MET at least has the virtue to stand up for his hypocrisy.

I do not think you have the maturity or calmness of mind to be a moderator here at the site. My thoughts my beliefs and how I see it. A good and strong moderator does not call people names as you have over and over on these boards. A fair moderator acts with respect and diginity for both THEMSELVES AND THE COMMUNITY. You select carefully only those who bend to your will to show respect to. When one calmly presents other views on matters, you bash, ignore and berate them. This is called a being a bully and to my understanding that is not the form of moderation that should be applied here.

If you're not happy with my moderation, you're more than welcome to direct your complaint directly to Laurel. I'm sure she'll do all she can to either cater to your requests or tell you to fuck off and think for yourself.

 

[Jennifer C]

Mudpuddles:

His mind was like
fucking
a 3 inch mud puddle,
Shallow, dirty and not very deep.

Bottom hit too soon, lost in the muck
sunk in the mire of living.


okay back to the fun.. next....

Anyone want to write poetry??

 

[Jennifer C]

Mudpuddles:

His mind was like
fucking
a 3 inch mud puddle,
Shallow, dirty and not very deep.

Bottom hit too soon, lost in the muck
sunk in the mire of living.

Stuck in a rut of never ending
circles, going nowhere fast.

next...

 

[Du Lac]

We have only interacted in any way twice. This is the second, with you chastising me for trying to calm down MET and QP, assuring them that no one is trying to shut down their "fun" threads, and defending the voice of a new poster. The first time was when you chastised me for defending myself against MET's shameless, vile slander. You'll have to excuse me if I was less than happy giggly to you on either of those occasions. You're nothing but a hypocrite. MET at least has the virtue to stand up for his hypocrisy.


If you're not happy with my moderation, you're more than welcome to direct your complaint directly to Laurel. I'm sure she'll do all she can to either cater to your requests or tell you to fuck off and think for yourself.

Why am I a pitiful small minded hypocrite? I have not called you a name or any form of abuse to you Lauren. This is why I made the comment I did about you being a moderator. I am thinking for myself Lauren, I am not sticking up for MET or anyone else. I have repeated myself over and over that I am not attacking you only stating insights. You over and over continue to abuse me for my thoughts. I do not have a right to see things as I do?

Your actions speak louder than words. I tried to have a civil discussion here that I believed I could speak my own mind. Hell I live in a country that says I can say I hate George Bush as president why can I not come out and say I do not feel you are displaying the character that is needed to be a fair and just moderator? I do not envy your job as the moderator, but honestly Lauren please see how you are acting and understand that your displays of abuse towards those who speak their minds and happen to not agree with you are unjust. Has Art behaved no and he knows it. How is it that you feel a good moderator lowers themselves to calling others names? Please explain this to me? I just do not understand it?

All just leaders listen to others thoughts and relate to them in a manner that DEEMS RESPECT. You are severely lacking in this area... in treating others this way you demonstrate that you have no respect for yourself, therefore can not show it to others. I again state you can do me no harm by your ill treatment of me. Your emotional reaction towards my posts show me that you actually are venting this venom more at yourself. You have not responded to me in a calm orderly fashion.

Yes you on the outside were telling others that the thread "fun" was safe but you ended it with negative critical abuse. You tease with a small treat of niceness but always there is a follow up of venom. How can you not see this? How can I understand this and still say I see good in you Lauren? I used to be you when I lived an ignorant lifestyle. Hence why I say I hope you get it.. Let go be nice and go write.
blessings
Du Lac~

 

[MsPortia]

I didn't say anything complicated. I said we have a playground at Lit and that entire threads for play should be in the playground. I didn’t say a few playful posts were bad or even that a page of play was bad. I didn't say play was bad at all. I also didn’t say that play had no place in poetry. I even said I thought you seemed like nice people.

You say you have every right to say what you want and play where you want but you don't seem to think the same right to freedom extends to people who disagree with you. How ridiculous of anyone to assume that anything I said had no value merely because I had a low post count. You have no idea how shallow that makes you all appear.

I can see why Lauren is as upset and fed up as she is with reactions like this. If one of you had actually looked at exactly what I said and exactly what she said in response to me, you would have realized that none of you needed to say another word.

I take back the part about you seeming like nice people.

 

[Du Lac]

Ms. Portia
I did read your post and did not disagree with it. If you read my reference to you regarding said post I said I understood it fully. I have no difficulties with you or what you said. My posts are directed only at Lauren and how she is behaving. If I saw that she was reacting in a calm and respectful manner in a debate that I saw that she had a valid position, I would address the other that was misbehaving with the same information that I have done with her. I am sorry that you feel we are not nice but that is up to you to make that judgement. I wish you the best.
du lac~

 

[Jennifer C]

I didn't say anything complicated. I said we have a playground at Lit and that entire threads for play should be in the playground. I didn’t say a few playful posts were bad or even that a page of play was bad. I didn't say play was bad at all. I also didn’t say that play had no place in poetry. I even said I thought you seemed like nice people.

You say you have every right to say what you want and play where you want but you don't seem to think the same right to freedom extends to people who disagree with you. How ridiculous of anyone to assume that anything I said had no value merely because I had a low post count. You have no idea how shallow that makes you all appear.

I can see why Lauren is as upset and fed up as she is with reactions like this. If one of you had actually looked at exactly what I said and exactly what she said in response to me, you would have realized that none of you needed to say another word.

I take back the part about you seeming like nice people.

MsPortia ~ It's a pleasure to meet ya and your opinion of course is always welcome (no matter how many posts you have)

It's funny though as you were one of the people that dissaproved of a thread so non related to poetry, yet when a poem in progress challenge is going on you continue to write non poetry posts.

I do not wish to argue with you BUT I will say this AGAIN ~

Can ya all just let it go PLEASE, you've all had your say, now it's just a vicious circle of insults and abuse.

Let it die, move on, let it go.

I politely ask you all to do this, all the negativity and accusations are spoiling this thread for people who REGULARY participate in it. If you don't like the thread thats cool, don't read or join it.

I mean no disrespect to anyone but please can ya all just drop it.