Damn

[champagne1982]

oh, oh, I'm getting my ass kicked

I wallow in your madness
Really, you scanned this? You amaze me, Caught me on all my multilingual mispronunications. You Rock!
I like these ideas.

"The dash as caesura gives you one extra beat, to my ear. That's OK, but not wholly satisfying. I would prefer something like

Der poodle does not listen much - at least not to me"

Here I agree about the spaces, not the words, can I use three dashs? what do I do? I hear in spaces,they are implied to me, how do I convey it, to avoid the extra words.

A colon ( : ) denotes a full stop, perhaps the longer dash ( -- ) would tell your reader to stop and wait or you could insert a line break with either punctuation and have it read:
Der poodle does not listen much:
not to me
or to play with a little alliteration...
Der piddlin' poodle pup does not listen much -- not to me.

 

[Rybka]

. . .
[*]Wittgenstein appears (descending from the heavens, as he would think appropriate) and declares that silence is what we must say when we cannot say something (i.e., be specific, supply a referent, provide a picture of reality, or some such nonsense). . .

Again I object! L.W. realized that logical positism/atomism was a dead end and false. He rejected it and his greatest work (what he should be remembered and honored for) came afterwords. If you are hung up on the Tractatus then you are stuck in the first half of the last century!

Read the Investigations et al, read Bowsma (my mentor) for a start.

 

[Tzara]

oh, oh, I'm getting my ass kicked

Well, if you'd just put up a gender inappropriate avatar (JenniferC's--for her gender way wholly appropriate--current one comes dreamily to mind, oh my gawd ), I might actually very much enjoy kicking your ass.

But, no, you are not getting your ass kicked. We are discussing an intelligent and clever poem you have written.

I wallow in your madness
Really, you scanned this? You amaze me, Caught me on all my multilingual mispronunications. You Rock!
I like these ideas.

I hardly think I caught you on your multilingual mispronounciations. I can maybe do French and, with my Daddy's help, Norwegian. German? Nooope. So don't depend upon me. I assume you're doing that right.

And rock? Well, sir, I have a Strat and can play the same three chords I knew in high school, so Gloria in excelsis deo (which is, actually, E-D-A, though eagleeyz would be able to tell you better than I. Yo, ee! Taught that to Ms. Ange as yet? I remember at 14 the change was tricky.).

"The dash as caesura gives you one extra beat, to my ear. That's OK, but not wholly satisfying. I would prefer something like

Der poodle does not listen much - at least not to me"

Here I agree about the spaces, not the words, can I use three dashs? what do I do? I hear in spaces,they are implied to me, how do I convey it, to avoid the extra words.

I dunno here. I have been trying to write poetry seriously for about a month. I learned the word "caesura" about two weeks ago. I am using it in a sentence. Try PatC or Angeline or one of the other people who actually know something about poetry.

For the naif's view, maybe consider breaking the line and using indents. Worked for Eliot, you know (O O O O that Shakespeherian rag & ff.).

It's probably not that important. If I read it and pause, it sounds all right.

 

[Tzara]

Again I object! L.W. realized that logical positism/atomism was a dead end and false. He rejected it and his greatest work (what he should be remembered and honored for) came afterwords. If you are hung up on the Tractatus then you are stuck in the first half of the last century!

Read the Investigations et al, read Bowsma (my mentor) for a start.

Geez, Rybbie, lighten up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah--W gave up logical atomism for ordinary language philosophy and founded an academic institution (though I think J. L. Austin deserves some credit there). We here are not philosophers, but poets (or, in my case, personages non-essential to the drama who acerbically comment on the action--think of me as Chorus). You wouldn't, I presume, object if 1201 referenced, say, Athena in his poem, however out of date that divinical (forgive the neologism) label seems. The Tractatus is great art, if not great philosophy. (Though I would maintain it is/was great philosophy. It just happens to be wrong. Shit happens.)

I'd suggest we debate something I have more feeling for, like Lakatos vs. Feyerabend, but you'd probably just smack me around and I dislike discomfort. And study--I'd have to re-read a lot of stuff that's in the basement for a reason.

his greatest work ... came afterwords

I sure hope that that wasn't just a typo, because it, I think, expresses damn near exactly W's influence.

Hey, bud. You are one clever dude, but I still question "whickering." Googled it and "loon" and didn't find anything. But you are the man and I trust you. Have a swell, fell, whickering day (or night).

 

[BooMerengue]

Geez, Rybbie, lighten up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah--W gave up logical atomism for ordinary language philosophy and founded an academic institution (though I think J. L. Austin deserves some credit there). We here are not philosophers, but poets (or, in my case, personages non-essential to the drama who acerbically comment on the action--think of me as Chorus). You wouldn't, I presume, object if 1201 referenced, say, Athena in his poem, however out of date that divinical (forgive the neologism) label seems. The Tractatus is great art, if not great philosophy. (Though I would maintain it is/was great philosophy. It just happens to be wrong. Shit happens.)

I'd suggest we debate something I have more feeling for, like Lakatos vs. Feyerabend, but you'd probably just smack me around and I dislike discomfort. And study--I'd have to re-read a lot of stuff that's in the basement for a reason.

I sure hope that that wasn't just a typo, because it, I think, expresses damn near exactly W's influence.

Hey, bud. You are one clever dude, but I still question "whickering." Googled it and "loon" and didn't find anything. But you are the man and I trust you. Have a swell, fell, whickering day (or night).

I'm just buzzing through and thought I'd say

whickering is the friendly noise a horse makes on your approach, usually accompanied by a toss of the head
and a loon is a bird of colder climes who happens to have a very plaintive cry

"the Mona Lisa cry of the moon"

 

[twelveoone]

Tzara,
I had to pull my jaw off the floor, from grinning so much, and feeling like a boxer so helpless outclassed
Dog-ged, Damn. (multilingual mispronunciation)
Every catch, dead on, Every suggestion, correction well worthy of consideration.
Every save - I really was thinking of tossing Duchamp. Just leaving it as passed doggeral.

bows deeply and humbly

a 100 thanks, for the 100 smiles from your posts

 

[twelveoone]

A colon ( : ) denotes a full stop, perhaps the longer dash ( -- ) would tell your reader to stop and wait or you could insert a line break with either punctuation and have it read:
Der poodle does not listen much:
not to me
or to play with a little alliteration...
Der piddlin' poodle pup does not listen much -- not to me.

Champ ~ thanks
for Tzara
Der poodle does not listen much(4'33'') not to me

 

[twelveoone]

Again I object! L.W. realized that logical positism/atomism was a dead end and false. He rejected it and his greatest work (what he should be remembered and honored for) came afterwords. If you are hung up on the Tractatus then you are stuck in the first half of the last century!

Read the Investigations et al, read Bowsma (my mentor) for a start.

yes, but it was such a great quote, and the year was important.

More important re: Loon, was I right, or full of shit?

BTW, good job on the reviews

 

[anonamouse]

Pornotopia

all i see on the horizon
dimbic clods and phatic crap -hey ten words or less
squeaking fucks like a rusty whore
I'm alive, I'm alive, sex the dim sum
wiggles my AV
I'll go post some more
some more
some more

wasteland turned to dump
ship to byzantium - sunk
Weel the yellow bricks are slippery
tin man is loaded
with KY - soluble in water
so he starts to rust
sorrowful is this quest

But there it is
Billboard size
blinking LCD
LCD
Gresham's Law
Gresham's Law

 

[bluerains]

all i see on the horizon
dimbic clods and phatic crap -hey ten words or less
squeaking fucks like a rusty whore
I'm alive, I'm alive, sex the dim sum
wiggles my AV
I'll go post some more
some more
some more

wasteland turned to dump
ship to byzantium - sunk
Weel the yellow bricks are slippery
tin man is loaded
with KY - soluble in water
so he starts to rust
sorrowful is this quest

But there it is
Billboard size
blinking LCD
LCD
Gresham's Law
Gresham's Law

Soirée en daffin...?

 

[Tzara]

all i see on the horizon
dimbic clods and phatic crap -hey ten words or less
squeaking fucks like a rusty whore
I'm alive, I'm alive, sex the dim sum
wiggles my AV
I'll go post some more
some more
some more

wasteland turned to dump
ship to byzantium - sunk
Weel the yellow bricks are slippery
tin man is loaded
with KY - soluble in water
so he starts to rust
sorrowful is this quest

But there it is
Billboard size
blinking LCD
LCD
Gresham's Law
Gresham's Law

My my my, but our little mousie seems tetchy this marnin'. In her fretful scampers she seems to have bumped the Allusion-Maschine and set it all a-zwitschering. Is she nervous because she thinks that Smith's hand is missing and not just mere invisible?

The power seems to be off in her hole. If she resets her VCR, she may find that she's been taping Grisham's Law, not Gresham's.

 

[annaswirls]

Occam slices the gle from the
gig and says it is up
to no good for hell or high water
is no reason for gathering round the camp fire
pussy foot and fur singed and butterfly plastic
melted bubble gum cracks
jaw cracks from the chew.

Je proteste!
Ce n'est pas à moi!

To write nor see
past my own fist

ooh look
the ring how it shines!

now where were we?

all i see on the horizon
dimbic clods and phatic crap -hey ten words or less
squeaking fucks like a rusty whore
I'm alive, I'm alive, sex the dim sum
wiggles my AV
I'll go post some more
some more
some more

wasteland turned to dump
ship to byzantium - sunk
Weel the yellow bricks are slippery
tin man is loaded
with KY - soluble in water
so he starts to rust
sorrowful is this quest

But there it is
Billboard size
blinking LCD
LCD
Gresham's Law
Gresham's Law

 

[twelveoone]

My my my, but our little mousie seems tetchy this marnin'. In her fretful scampers she seems to have bumped the Allusion-Maschine and set it all a-zwitschering. Is she nervous because she thinks that Smith's hand is missing and not just mere invisible?

The power seems to be off in her hole. If she resets her VCR, she may find that she's been taping Grisham's Law, not Gresham's.

is a he
is a he
he-he, har, har
Reason: mispulled word?

 

[Tzara]

Reason: mispulled word?

That damn A Pun a Day calendar is always getting me in trouble.

 

[SeattleRain]

*bump*

do the hustle.


intelligence turns me on
honesty turn me on
keeps me goin'

be back in a day or two..

 

[Tzara]

intelligence turns me on
honesty turn me on
keeps me goin'

At the risk of seeming impertinent, may I comment that those are some pretty honest boots on some pretty intelligent legs.

Or perhaps it's the other way around. My eyes seem to be rather crossed at the moment.

The color scheme of your avatar makes me wonder if you're the missing subject of Rauschenberg's Hollywood Sphinx, since moved from LA to the rainy north.

 

[SeattleRain]

At the risk of seeming impertinent, may I comment that those are some pretty honest boots on some pretty intelligent legs.

Or perhaps it's the other way around. My eyes seem to be rather crossed at the moment.

The color scheme of your avatar makes me wonder if you're the missing subject of Rauschenberg's Hollywood Sphinx, since moved from LA to the rainy north.

your eyes are crossed? perhaps I shall cross my legs...

as far as intelligent boots...
I have tried to train them but they do not listen...
I am not sure if it is because they have a mind of their own
or no mind at all.

 

[Reltne]

. . .
as far as intelligent boots...
I have tried to train them but they do not listen...
I am not sure if it is because they have a mind of their own
or no mind at all.

Well at least they have sole. . . and surely you can teach them to heel, and to toe the line!

 

[Jennifer C]

Well at least they have sole. . . and surely you can teach them to heel, and to toe the line!

lmao

very cute Reltne

 

[twelveoone]

The Poetic-Industrial Complex

Bring it on T-baby, I will be back next saturday, I don't mind getting my ass kicked for a good cause.
These are not my ideas, but ideas I fully agree with.
Let's start with the holy ghost of "Iambic Pentanmeter" the measure of reasoned boredom.

 

[bogusbrig]

Bring it on T-baby, I will be back next saturday, I don't mind getting my ass kicked for a good cause.
These are not my ideas, but ideas I fully agree with.
Let's start with the holy ghost of "Iambic Pentanmeter" the measure of reasoned boredom.

When I was at college there was a saying 'Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.' but it should have read 'Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach and fix.'

 

[Tzara]

When I was at college there was a saying 'Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.' but it should have read 'Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach and fix.'

My variation on that is:

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, write criticism.​

Which puts my critical aspirations into the appropriate perspective.

 

[sweetsoul]

My variation on that is:

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, write criticism.​

Which puts my critical aspirations into the appropriate perspective.

I hate critics!!!
They vary rarely have anything positive to say.

 

[Reltne]

When I was at college there was a saying 'Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.' but it should have read 'Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach and fix.'

My version was: "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. Those that can't teach, teach teaching."

"An empty school bus pulled up to the administration building and the entire educational faculty got off!"

 

[Tzara]

I hate critics!!!
They vary rarely have anything positive to say.

Why, madam! We haven't even met, and yet you despise an important aspect of my personality! Well, feel free to--critics as well as artists must weather critical comment.

Criticism, I think, has an important role in the artistic mix. Not as important a role as artists have (which should go without saying but not always does), but an important role nonetheless.

Good criticism (and "good" is an especially important qualifier) is invaluable. It can point out work that is unjustly neglected. It can cause readers to rethink work that is perhaps unjustly praised.

But merely to reject comment on work because it might say something that could be construed as negative is to, I think, live a Pollyanna existence. Being aware of potential defects in one's work I would think helps one keep not only perspective but helps guard against complacency and sloppiness.

Not everyone welcomes it. Here, I think, if you say you don't want it, people will leave you alone.