Do any of you drink/do drugs while playing?

[catalina_francisco]

In New Orleans I had a really great glass of red wine with dinner at Arnauds. That was enough with my sinus meds to make me fly.

Then we got the Cafe' Brulot and I had three or four cups of that too, which thank heavens, also had caffeine in it.

I think he had a sazerac and probably the same number of cups of Brulot.

We did scene that night. I'm not sorry either. I trust us both to be careful and handle whatever comes up. It was a great scene for me and for him. I'm very happy about it.

It's funny though I never thought of it as scening while on drugs or booze. I felt perfectly in control of myself despite what I drank and he seemed the same.

He drinks most off nights. If I were waiting until he hadn't had anything to drink we would likely never have a scene.

That is not acceptable.

Fury

Hmmm, so FF, for someone I think of as intelligent, I am wondering why in the first place, D/s aside, you would mix alcohol and medication which is always stressed as not adviseable, then both drink some more...and feel that you know after alcohol, even after saying you were by then 'flying', that you and he were in control and safe...isn't that what almost every drunk hit and run driver thinks when they get behind the wheel? I'm not sure you are convincing the experienced people here you really are in control nor that mixing substance abuse and D/s is fun, good, and safe or necessary.

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

Hmmm, so FF, for someone I think of as intelligent, I am wondering why in the first place, D/s aside, you would mix alcohol and medication which is always stressed as not adviseable, then both drink some more...and feel that you know after alcohol, even after saying you were by then 'flying', that you and he were in control and safe...isn't that what almost every drunk hit and run driver thinks when they get behind the wheel? I'm not sure you are convincing the experienced people here you really are in control nor that mixing substance abuse and D/s is fun, good, and safe or necessary.

Catalina

Well, Cat, I'm coming up with these times that I did D/s (but not we didn't drive,) and drink that I hadn't thought about before. I think I'd previously said I didn't drink and scene but now I'm remembering times I did and facing up to it, perhaps even analyzing was it wrong, am I sorry and did something terrible happen for either of us? In short, I'm admitting to be human, not advocating for others that this is fun, good, safe or necessary, just say, yeah, I did do some of this and for it was either good, fun or at least okay this time, period.

I felt in control of myself by the time we left the restaurant, maybe the excellent food soaked up most of the high, I dunno.

I suspect a great deal of people might at least have a glass of wine with dinner before such activities and I don't see that as a particular problem.

As for mixing medication and booze, that can be very dangerous. I usually only have one glass of wine with dinner if that. Lately I can't even tolerate that. I go on instinct a lot and trust myself a great deal.

Still as I said, I am human, I do things considered "wrong" by myself and more often, by others but that's okay as long as I'm overall, happy with my life and experiences, at least it's okay with me and with my husband.

I give myself permission to not be perfect.

Fury

 

[catalina_francisco]

Well, Cat, I'm coming up with these times that I did D/s (but not we didn't drive,) and drink that I hadn't thought about before. I think I'd previously said I didn't drink and scene but now I'm remembering times I did and facing up to it, perhaps even analyzing was it wrong, am I sorry and did something terrible happen for either of us? In short, I'm admitting to be human, not advocating for others that this is fun, good, safe or necessary, just say, yeah, I did do some of this and for it was either good, fun or at least okay this time, period.

I felt in control of myself by the time we left the restaurant, maybe the excellent food soaked up most of the high, I dunno.

I suspect a great deal of people might at least have a glass of wine with dinner before such activities and I don't see that as a particular problem.

As for mixing medication and booze, that can be very dangerous. I usually only have one glass of wine with dinner if that. Lately I can't even tolerate that. I go on instinct a lot and trust myself a great deal.

Still as I said, I am human, I do things considered "wrong" by myself and more often, by others but that's okay as long as I'm overall, happy with my life and experiences, at least it's okay with me and with my husband.

I give myself permission to not be perfect.

Fury

OK, just your previous post came across to me in the imperfect cyber translation as saying it was all OK and actually even fun. I think you might be surprised about your thoughts on how many people have a glass of wine first though...in all the time I was looking and playing with Doms I felt I could trust enough to experiment with what I might like, not one of them (Australian, European or American) would have played if I or they had taken even a sip of anything remotely alcoholic, or taken any medication...and yes, I did ask, even the one I was with when I had a headache and I felt 1 Panadol would not matter. He was American and he gave me the choice of play or the tablet, not both...I chose play.

Catalina

 

[babiesmiles]

In my culture , like in all Southern Europe I think we consider normal having a beer or a glass of wine while having dinner and I really don't consider it "drinking" . But as always all is in the sense of measure and personal reaction to alcoholics.

I think I wouldn't allow a person who overdid alcoholic drinks to play with me ,nor I would drink more than the usual small dinner amount in prevision of a scene, in the same way I don't do it when I have to work or drive .

 

[FurryFury]

OK, just your previous post came across to me in the imperfect cyber translation as saying it was all OK and actually even fun. I think you might be surprised about your thoughts on how many people have a glass of wine first though...in all the time I was looking and playing with Doms I felt I could trust enough to experiment with what I might like, not one of them (Australian, European or American) would have played if I or they had taken even a sip of anything remotely alcoholic, or taken any medication...and yes, I did ask, even the one I was with when I had a headache and I felt 1 Panadol would not matter. He was American and he gave me the choice of play or the tablet, not both...I chose play.

Catalina

I think I would have chosen play too! *s*

That night was fun for me and for him but no, I'm not saying it's okay or advisable, I'm just owning up to my faults.

I've never been given an absolute like you describe but as you know I've also never been with an experienced Master in RL. I suspect the play would help the pain anyway. In any case I can handle pain if I need to, I tend to block it out. I know which one I want to have most that's why I'd make that choice.

The sinus meds I have to take every night or I get much worse symptoms than I have every single day, which include losing my voice, as a storyteller that's pretty bad. Happily right now I have some time off. I don't have to worry about losing my voice right now.

Even then I sometimes have to go to the doc or be in serious pain like I am now. The constant 24/7 high pitched headaches are starting up they tend to be blinding at times. I am not taking anything for the pain right now though because I have to drive my daughter somewhere soon After I get in I will probably take something though.

Play is not an option tonight in any case. *pouts*

Fury

 

[catalina_francisco]

We all learn as we go along, and hopefully continue to learn. You have my empathy about your sinus issues....we both suffer that and an array of allergies, he worse than me most times. LOL, Our house has a box of tissues in every room, and also they are in the car and my coat pockets and handbags along with emergency supplies of tablets if needed wherever we are. Don't know how he managed before me as he didn't believe in tissues...took some convincing but think after the second box he was converted...and he didn't take any medications or use anything on his skin allergies...he became my guinea pig for natural remedies on the skin...his mother was surprised!!

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

We all learn as we go along, and hopefully continue to learn. You have my empathy about your sinus issues....we both suffer that and an array of allergies, he worse than me most times. LOL, Our house has a box of tissues in every room, and also they are in the car and my coat pockets and handbags along with emergency supplies of tablets if needed wherever we are. Don't know how he managed before me as he didn't believe in tissues...took some convincing but think after the second box he was converted...and he didn't take any medications or use anything on his skin allergies...he became my guinea pig for natural remedies on the skin...his mother was surprised!!

Catalina

Thanks Cat!

At this point I'd try just about anything that might help more than the doc or his medications. I heard recently that honey was supposed to help. Sounds like a sweet solution to me if only it did work.

Fury

 

[catalina_francisco]

Thanks Cat!

At this point I'd try just about anything that might help more than the doc or his medications. I heard recently that honey was supposed to help. Sounds like a sweet solution to me if only it did work.

Fury

Honey does have some extraordinary healing powers for things like wounds etc., so maybe a native bee version or particular blend might have some value. I did have a friend who suffered severely and her treatment ended up being an injection (not honey) prior to every spring just so she could go out in the world and not end upo in hospital...she swore by it.

Catalina

 

[Evil_Geoff]

When it comes to mood/judgement/perception altering chemicals, I use two rules. The first is our group policy and this policy is from a LIABILITY and RISK-AWARENESS stance:

1 - our group does not condone or permit the use of alcoholic beverages, or mood/judgement/perception altering chemicals, before or during scenes at group sponsored events. Possession or use of illegal drugs are not permitted at any time at group sponsored events. YOU may consent to the risk these substances represent. The rest of us have not.

The second rule is in recognition of human diversity and the fact that trying to prohibit something will get some people doing it out of sheer bloody-mindedness:

2 - What you do in the privacy of your own home is of no concern to the group. If you want to have a glass of wine, a cold beer or a drink or two, or smoke a fatty before you play, that's your business and concern. If you screw up and hurt your partner, that's on your head, not ours.

Now my personal stance would be hypocritical if I were to advocate a tee-total abstinence policy. I've played with a couple of beers under my belt or after having a mixed drink or two. But when I have had a drink or two, the play I engage in tends to be of the sensual variety, I do not go for blood or hard play when my own senses have been dulled. Nor do I want to be playing hard with someone who's perceptions are dulled. I'm a sadist, I WANT them to feel it all... *grin*

Sobriety is the best and safest policy. It is not the only one though.

YIK,
- Geoff

 

[Private_Label]

Thanks Cat!

At this point I'd try just about anything that might help more than the doc or his medications. I heard recently that honey was supposed to help. Sounds like a sweet solution to me if only it did work.

Fury

As Catalina said honey does get used on wounds. I have a stubborn one that has been resisting healing for a couple of years, and my current wound care Doc has considered using honey or a honey & sugar paste on it. The concentration of the sugar pulls the water out of things that might think they are going to infect and keep everything nice and sterile.

On the other hand we have a 2 year old dog with dry skin and some allergic dermatitis, we have been giving him a teaspoon of safflower oil in his dinner that does help, but the few days we gave him a tablespoon of honey not only did he not want to eat it, it seemed to make him a bit more itchy all over.

YMMV.

I would suggest that anyone who knows they are severely allergic to bees stay away from raw honey as it may contain the occasional bee part including venom. Having suffered once while on a family vacation from an all over reaction to something in the middle of the night that developed slowly enough that my mom wisely chose to take me to the National Park clinic which opened half an hour early for us. I think it was her insistence that we get there as early as we could that kept me from experiencing full anaphylactic shock and having to deal with troulble breathing. As it was my tongue was starting to swell by the time we got there and luckily they gave me a shot of epinephrin as a precautionary measure. It made a whole world of difference. I'd never had an itchy tongue before and I never want to experience one again.

 

[FurryFury]

Honey does have some extraordinary healing powers for things like wounds etc., so maybe a native bee version or particular blend might have some value. I did have a friend who suffered severely and her treatment ended up being an injection (not honey) prior to every spring just so she could go out in the world and not end upo in hospital...she swore by it.

Catalina

Yeah, I know how that goes. Every single damn time I go in they give me a shot and in the ass. *grr*

As Catalina said honey does get used on wounds. I have a stubborn one that has been resisting healing for a couple of years, and my current wound care Doc has considered using honey or a honey & sugar paste on it. The concentration of the sugar pulls the water out of things that might think they are going to infect and keep everything nice and sterile.

On the other hand we have a 2 year old dog with dry skin and some allergic dermatitis, we have been giving him a teaspoon of safflower oil in his dinner that does help, but the few days we gave him a tablespoon of honey not only did he not want to eat it, it seemed to make him a bit more itchy all over.

YMMV.

I would suggest that anyone who knows they are severely allergic to bees stay away from raw honey as it may contain the occasional bee part including venom. Having suffered once while on a family vacation from an all over reaction to something in the middle of the night that developed slowly enough that my mom wisely chose to take me to the National Park clinic which opened half an hour early for us. I think it was her insistence that we get there as early as we could that kept me from experiencing full anaphylactic shock and having to deal with troulble breathing. As it was my tongue was starting to swell by the time we got there and luckily they gave me a shot of epinephrin as a precautionary measure. It made a whole world of difference. I'd never had an itchy tongue before and I never want to experience one again.

Interesting to know! Thanks!

When it comes to mood/judgement/perception altering chemicals, I use two rules. The first is our group policy and this policy is from a LIABILITY and RISK-AWARENESS stance:

1 - our group does not condone or permit the use of alcoholic beverages, or mood/judgement/perception altering chemicals, before or during scenes at group sponsored events. Possession or use of illegal drugs are not permitted at any time at group sponsored events. YOU may consent to the risk these substances represent. The rest of us have not.

The second rule is in recognition of human diversity and the fact that trying to prohibit something will get some people doing it out of sheer bloody-mindedness:

2 - What you do in the privacy of your own home is of no concern to the group. If you want to have a glass of wine, a cold beer or a drink or two, or smoke a fatty before you play, that's your business and concern. If you screw up and hurt your partner, that's on your head, not ours.

Now my personal stance would be hypocritical if I were to advocate a tee-total abstinence policy. I've played with a couple of beers under my belt or after having a mixed drink or two. But when I have had a drink or two, the play I engage in tends to be of the sensual variety, I do not go for blood or hard play when my own senses have been dulled. Nor do I want to be playing hard with someone who's perceptions are dulled. I'm a sadist, I WANT them to feel it all... *grin*

Sobriety is the best and safest policy. It is not the only one though.

YIK,
- Geoff

Good policy IMO.

We've certainly never gotten to the "out for blood type" of play. We always keep it in our room, rented or otherwise. I don't if I will ever be a public player. I always feel everything though. The smallest hair against my skin can drive me mad. I'm very sensitive most places and drinking no matter how little or how much doesn't affect that. It sometimes helps me contain my reactions better though.

I know I haven't gotten enough stimulation or play when I get "ticklish" again like I was before I started to cyber or looking into D/s. I hate it when that happens. I was so closed off then. It scares me.

But back to the topic, I would never advocate drugging and drinking before play but I won't make a snap judgement about anyone on it either.

I was surprised that one time by someone else. I got to thinking about it though and now I found I have done it myself to a certain extent. Not because I was thinking, wow, wouldn't it be so cool to be wasted and scene but because I was on vacation or whatever and just letting my hair down, then we decided to scene later. For it it's been fine. For someone else it could go horribly wrong.

I know I will thinking about all this a bit more in the future but though I may be perceived as fairly intelligent in some ways, I'm not in all ways. I am pretty spontaneous. I do wrong things. I take life as it comes at me and find ways to mostly make it good for me. That's not always smart or even, honest but it's me.

Fury

 

[satin_coals]

sex + pills = MAJOR MAJOR ORGASMS!

but hey, to each his own. in other words please don't give me shit

FallyN

 

[catalina_francisco]

sex + pills = MAJOR MAJOR ORGASMS!

but hey, to each his own. in other words please don't give me shit

FallyN

Thankfully I have major and multiple orgasms without artificial help. Maybe it is because I have remained substance free throughout life..don't know, but like it this way better than having to have a prop with me to achieve the heights.

Catalina

 

[saw_man1]

A confession

I have taken Advil before and after and on more than one occasion. It's not something I'm proud of but it is a part of who I am. I hope this doesn’t affect your opinion of me but I am prepared to suffer the inevitable consequences of my actions.



Psst... I have a really good source if anyone else wants some.

 

[Daddyslilpet]

I have taken Advil before and after and on more than one occasion. It's not something I'm proud of but it is a part of who I am. I hope this doesn’t affect your opinion of me but I am prepared to suffer the inevitable consequences of my actions.



Psst... I have a really good source if anyone else wants some.

Dude, you're such a rebel!


My personal take on the whole thing is use your common sense as a couple. If you've only known your partner for a few seconds then by all means it's probably not the best idea to be playing with impaired judgement on either of your parts. However, if you are like Master and I who have known each other for over 30 years and been together as a couple for 18 of those years, I think it's a bit different in the whole scheme of things.

Being on prescription drugs is another matter all together. After a while you both learn what the effect is going to be on the person taking the medication, so you'll know if it is safe to play or not to play. If I had to wait to play because of medication, I'd never get to these days because I'm on daily meds, so I'm glad that's not the case.

Rules should be reserved for public play. What goes on in private is, and should be at the risk of the two who consent to play in private. That's my opinion.

 

[Prof Bill]

Focus, everyone, focus!

The reasons and situations that led to "rules" against drinking and/or drugging before participating in a scene are fairly transparent, are they not?

If someone is impaired that someone should not be participating in any activity that might threaten the well-being of that person or his/her partner.

After we get past the initial thrill and elation that accompanies our start in this life-style, we begin to realize that what we do has a real edge to it. My sub and I do not do what many call edge play--no breath control, no blood, no permanent marks, etc.--but we do play with knives, flame, and the occasional convoluted restraint positions. We also do a heckuva lot of flogging, paddling, clamping, spanking, probing, and so on. And, difficult as it may be to admit, any one of these things could backfire and cause serious harm.

As a Dom, it's my responsibility to see that my sub does not experience any harm. Hurt, yes--harm, no.

Neither of us drink or drug at all, so it's not really an issue for us. But back in the day we both drank and drugged to excess and we can remember what we used to be like. Probably the most insidious and dangerous result we experienced was our conviction that we were still able to function as if we'd not been ding and ding. We couldn't.

So what I think is really being said here is "don't get sloshed" and then scene. Don't get so high that you can't feel anything. Or, as some would put it, play safe.

But I must also agree with Catalina (one of many agreements): orgasms without pharmacological inducement are really tremendous! And while it might take a while to work up to deeply felt, multiple orgasms, there is no work I know that's more enjoyable. And it can be done.

When my sub and I began, she could have a "respectable" three or four orgasms a time. After much work and practice <BG>, the last time we counted she had 65 distinct orgasms in about three and a half hours (yeah, I'm probably bragging). Just that fact alone is enough to keep us booze free.

But unless you're in a situation where you're behavior can impact me, you can do whatever the hell it is you want.

Bill


Probably

 

[Daddyslilpet]

My personal take on the whole thing is use your common sense as a couple. If you've only known your partner for a few seconds then by all means it's probably not the best idea to be playing with impaired judgement on either of your parts. However, if you are like Master and I who have known each other for over 30 years and been together as a couple for 18 of those years, I think it's a bit different in the whole scheme of things.

Being on prescription drugs is another matter all together. After a while you both learn what the effect is going to be on the person taking the medication, so you'll know if it is safe to play or not to play. If I had to wait to play because of medication, I'd never get to these days because I'm on daily meds, so I'm glad that's not the case.

Rules should be reserved for public play. What goes on in private is, and should be at the risk of the two who consent to play in private. That's my opinion.

I think I need to revise some of what I said above, and I hate to edit my posts to say something I didn't originally say.

While I do believe that common sense is a big key in make a decision to play or not, I do NOT advocate playing while totally trashed on drugs or alcohol. Also the medication that I mentioned being on isn't mind altering medications, I'm on meds for RA mostly, most serious drug is like the advil mentioned above as far as side effects go, hence my joke to saw_man1.

I do believe that rules for public play are very important to protect the participants, those present learning, and the organization hosting the event.

Anyway, I just wanted to clear those points up as an add on to my original post.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Codicile to my post.

Sex does not equal SM play. If you want to get a little toasty and fuck like bunny rabbits, rock on.

My concern regards SM type play, not sex. Mood altering substances and SM do not mix safely. Presumably you and your partner are both adults, you both know the risks. If you are comfy accepting the higher risk of injury you will run while using said substances, that's your business. You may never harm your partner or be harmed while under the influence. Dumb luck works that way.

Then again you or your partner could end up with a call to 911 and a trip to the hospital. Or worse.

Just know when you look in the mirror, you will have to live with who is looking back at you, and the actions you made while under the influence.

Oh, and if any of you are concerned, there are court rulings about use of alcohol and/or drugs in civil and criminal proceedings that have been used to nullify "informed consent". Consent is often the _only_ defense we have in this lifestyle if things go terribly wrong, and if you play while doing drugs or alcohol, and things end up in court, a judge or jury may find that consent was _NOT_ informed or given freely due to the impairment of the drugs or alcohol.

Just more thinking material.

YIK,
- Geoff

 

[FurryFury]

sex + pills = MAJOR MAJOR ORGASMS!

but hey, to each his own. in other words please don't give me shit

FallyN

I'm not here to give you shit and I noticed you said sex, not BDSM, but I must ask the question on my mind, which pills???

Just curious.

Thankfully I have major and multiple orgasms without artificial help. Maybe it is because I have remained substance free throughout life..don't know, but like it this way better than having to have a prop with me to achieve the heights.

Catalina

Good for you!

I suspect real BDSM sessions are going to release their own drug into your system.

I have taken Advil before and after and on more than one occasion. It's not something I'm proud of but it is a part of who I am. I hope this doesn’t affect your opinion of me but I am prepared to suffer the inevitable consequences of my actions.



Psst... I have a really good source if anyone else wants some.

You are walking a thin line there. LOL!

The reasons and situations that led to "rules" against drinking and/or drugging before participating in a scene are fairly transparent, are they not?

If someone is impaired that someone should not be participating in any activity that might threaten the well-being of that person or his/her partner.

After we get past the initial thrill and elation that accompanies our start in this life-style, we begin to realize that what we do has a real edge to it. My sub and I do not do what many call edge play--no breath control, no blood, no permanent marks, etc.--but we do play with knives, flame, and the occasional convoluted restraint positions. We also do a heckuva lot of flogging, paddling, clamping, spanking, probing, and so on. And, difficult as it may be to admit, any one of these things could backfire and cause serious harm.

As a Dom, it's my responsibility to see that my sub does not experience any harm. Hurt, yes--harm, no.

Neither of us drink or drug at all, so it's not really an issue for us. But back in the day we both drank and drugged to excess and we can remember what we used to be like. Probably the most insidious and dangerous result we experienced was our conviction that we were still able to function as if we'd not been ding and ding. We couldn't.

So what I think is really being said here is "don't get sloshed" and then scene. Don't get so high that you can't feel anything. Or, as some would put it, play safe.

But I must also agree with Catalina (one of many agreements): orgasms without pharmacological inducement are really tremendous! And while it might take a while to work up to deeply felt, multiple orgasms, there is no work I know that's more enjoyable. And it can be done.

When my sub and I began, she could have a "respectable" three or four orgasms a time. After much work and practice <BG>, the last time we counted she had 65 distinct orgasms in about three and a half hours (yeah, I'm probably bragging). Just that fact alone is enough to keep us booze free.

But unless you're in a situation where you're behavior can impact me, you can do whatever the hell it is you want.

Bill


Probably

I get your point but I have some questions to ask that do not relate to this thread. I'll start a new thread on it soon and ask them.

I think I need to revise some of what I said above, and I hate to edit my posts to say something I didn't originally say.

While I do believe that common sense is a big key in make a decision to play or not, I do NOT advocate playing while totally trashed on drugs or alcohol. Also the medication that I mentioned being on isn't mind altering medications, I'm on meds for RA mostly, most serious drug is like the advil mentioned above as far as side effects go, hence my joke to saw_man1.

I do believe that rules for public play are very important to protect the participants, those present learning, and the organization hosting the event.

Anyway, I just wanted to clear those points up as an add on to my original post.

Good points both posts IMO!

Codicile to my post.

Sex does not equal SM play. If you want to get a little toasty and fuck like bunny rabbits, rock on.

My concern regards SM type play, not sex. Mood altering substances and SM do not mix safely. Presumably you and your partner are both adults, you both know the risks. If you are comfy accepting the higher risk of injury you will run while using said substances, that's your business. You may never harm your partner or be harmed while under the influence. Dumb luck works that way.

Then again you or your partner could end up with a call to 911 and a trip to the hospital. Or worse.

Just know when you look in the mirror, you will have to live with who is looking back at you, and the actions you made while under the influence.

Oh, and if any of you are concerned, there are court rulings about use of alcohol and/or drugs in civil and criminal proceedings that have been used to nullify "informed consent". Consent is often the _only_ defense we have in this lifestyle if things go terribly wrong, and if you play while doing drugs or alcohol, and things end up in court, a judge or jury may find that consent was _NOT_ informed or given freely due to the impairment of the drugs or alcohol.

Just more thinking material.

YIK,
- Geoff

*nods*

Very good points you made. I can always count on you to write something worthwhile and clear on any subject you post.

Fury

 

[tusculumpioneer]

yes

but only with people and drugs i feel safe with.

 

[FurryFury]

but only with people and drugs i feel safe with.

And which drugs would that be?

I finally got a chance to talk about all this with my husband over his last days off.

We are completely in agreement about what we have done, and will do in the future.

Of course most of our activities fall on the less extreme side and (some might even say are nilla) but we are in sync on this which makes me happy.

Fury

 

[thesportster]

a few years back me and the wife often had 12 hour long marathon fucking sessions on crystal meth( crank). now before you freak out, if you have never done it, they give a non-addictive version to military pilots who are flying missions because it increases sharpness and awareness of what is around you. it is not a drunk or drugged feeling but an intense awareness of yourself and your surroundings. you do not get tired and have the stamina that can only be imagined.

the entire time i would have the most incredible hard on that never quit. one line at the begining is all we ever needed and we would start around midnite on saturday an go til noon sunday when we would finally collapse in each others arms. i actually fucked her non-stop in the missionary position for well over two hours one time.

for awhile, 3 years, i had a connection to pure uncut crystal that was amazing and we used it often. when the supply disappeared and all that was available was crappy stuff we stopped because the stepped on product did not produce the same results. we no longer do it because i don't go out looking for it because in todays close minded society all drugs are bad and you will go to jail for a pot seed, unless rush limbaugh and addicted to synthetic herion, then you go to a cushy re-hab country club.

i am sure many of you who have never done it think i am crazy but remember to the MAJORITY of society who have never tried BD/SM everyone on this board is crazy. just like alchohol it can be done in moderation and sanely, not everybody in a bar will become a homeless bum sparechanging on the street.

i don't recomend it to anybody who is in-experienced to drugs but that was my experience.

crystal is the best aphrodisiac i have EVER experienced. i have literally watched a woman's clit become so engorged an sensitive after she did 1/3 of a g in one blast, she had orgasms from nothing more than a tap or no more than a 2 or 3 second rub of her clit. she came over and over for about 30 minutes before she started coming back to reality. it was a sight i'll never forget.

 

[catalina_francisco]

crystal is the best aphrodisiac i have EVER experienced. i have literally watched a woman's clit become so engorged an sensitive after she did 1/3 of a g in one blast, she had orgasms from nothing more than a tap or no more than a 2 or 3 second rub of her clit. she came over and over for about 30 minutes before she started coming back to reality. it was a sight i'll never forget.

Yep, and someone who is addicted (as seems to happen fairly quickly) and on the downhill slide to death with their face so marked as to be almost unrecogniseable is a sight I will never forget either...not pretty and certainly not worth an orgasm or 2.

Catalina

 

[ScaredWarrior]

Me and my lover do but, oddly i cant really hold my drinks well. We dont ever drink to much if thats the plain. But it dose mix up things a little. I would say do it only if you handle drinks well. I dont get drunk easy and oddly it dose not mess me up unless i had a lot. But if you doing anyting that get need lots of thinking i would not do it. Any hardcore bdsm i would not maby some of the light stuft maby. But be careful and trust is very big in that state more thatn normal.Well buts that just me.

 

[EmpressFi]

This is a HARD rule that we have. We dont even have the "single glass of wine with dinner". Absolutely nothing that alters the senses. At first, I was kinda down about it.. I like my wine with dinner or sometimes during a movie... but now, it's not THAT big of a deal, is it? I get high enough after a few hits of the flogger that I can barely keep my feet on the ground as it is.. god help me if my inhibitiions were lowered even just a little more..