Dom in a fight: What a Sub gonna do?

[3113]

(i'm not talking about a Dom defending me, himself, or someone else...i'm thinking in the context of bar fights, and just starting trouble in general.)

Understandable. Of course, my hypothetical situation supposed that this was not a usual thing. It certainly changes the situation significantly if the Dom tends to pick fights; in that case, I'd assume that the sub was either well versed in distracting their Dom from trouble, or that the sub never bothered to get involved in any of the Dom's fights.

I presumed, however, that this hypothetical Dom was usually a reasonable and rational person, and that, as it sometimes happens, something in this situation set him off (pushed some button you just don't push).

 

[3113]

Just to clarify and avoid dumping out these worms from cans I may have inadvertently opened (ack!)--let us assume that our hypothetical Dom is, at worst, going to get into a fistfight. This is not life-or-death territory (though I have found answers regarding that really interesting! Thank you!). Our hypothetical fight *might*, however, lead to bloody nose and black-eye territory.

Most likely, however, it's just going to be just a very loud, public altercation that isn't going to make the Dom look very good because he/she seems to have started it and he/she is in wrong. We'll assume that the people watching this fight include some friends, neighbors and associates. So, what we've got is the distinct possibility of our Dom looking like an asshole/bitch and ending up the the subject of many e-mails.

 

[Netzach]

is there an option for "I don't sub to people who are the kind of people who would START a bar fight?"

 

[BiBunny]

is there an option for "I don't sub to people who are the kind of people who would START a bar fight?"

That, too.

 

[Recidiva]

Just to clarify and avoid dumping out these worms from cans I may have inadvertently opened (ack!)--let us assume that our hypothetical Dom is, at worst, going to get into a fistfight. This is not life-or-death territory (though I have found answers regarding that really interesting! Thank you!). Our hypothetical fight *might*, however, lead to bloody nose and black-eye territory.

Most likely, however, it's just going to be just a very loud, public altercation that isn't going to make the Dom look very good because he/she seems to have started it and he/she is in wrong. We'll assume that the people watching this fight include some friends, neighbors and associates. So, what we've got is the distinct possibility of our Dom looking like an asshole/bitch and ending up the the subject of many e-mails.

Oh, well. If I cared what friends, neighbors or associates thought of the men I was with...

People presuming to tell me what to do with my relationship also piss me off and I'd have no problem telling them to talk to him, not me, about it.

 

[minx1]

Just to clarify and avoid dumping out these worms from cans I may have inadvertently opened (ack!)--let us assume that our hypothetical Dom is, at worst, going to get into a fistfight. This is not life-or-death territory (though I have found answers regarding that really interesting! Thank you!). Our hypothetical fight *might*, however, lead to bloody nose and black-eye territory.

Most likely, however, it's just going to be just a very loud, public altercation that isn't going to make the Dom look very good because he/she seems to have started it and he/she is in wrong. We'll assume that the people watching this fight include some friends, neighbors and associates. So, what we've got is the distinct possibility of our Dom looking like an asshole/bitch and ending up the the subject of many e-mails.

Part of his make up/his self control is that he wouldn't put himself in a position like that and i think he certainly would do everything not to look like an arsehole publicly. lol, sorry thats not very helpful!

 

[Chris_Xavier]

At last..

Sanity begins to set in..

 

[CutieMouse]

Most likely, however, it's just going to be just a very loud, public altercation that isn't going to make the Dom look very good because he/she seems to have started it and he/she is in wrong. We'll assume that the people watching this fight include some friends, neighbors and associates. So, what we've got is the distinct possibility of our Dom looking like an asshole/bitch and ending up the the subject of many e-mails.

I wouldn't sub to a guy who (even infrequently) lost his temper and started a bar fight. Your additional information suggests that your premise starts with a guy who can't control his temper enough to simply walk away; I don't know of many submissive types who would be in a relationship with that kind of person.

 

[SweetErika]

I'd expect my sub to respectfully interfere and remind me of the likely consequences of continuing. In fact, I see his efforts to protect me from harm and myself as the best way for him to serve me in that situation. It's important for someone who loves me to look out for my best interest, just as I do for them, regardless of our dynamic.

If I were a sub, I'd likely see it as the same way. I can't see myself being happy with someone who couldn't see I was serving them by acting in their best interest in a respectful way in the aftermath.

 

[3113]

is there an option for "I don't sub to people who are the kind of people who would START a bar fight?"

Well, as I said to HottieMama, I'm assuming that my hypothetical Dom doesn't usually start fights but that whoever he's run into, at whatever venue (could be an office party or a wedding), unwittingly pushed a button and set him off.

I've had this happen to me several times--and seen it happen. I remember a visiting lecturer quietly mentioning that a certain piece of literature could be classified as science fiction, and one of the professors in the audience started screaming at him that it was not science fiction. I mean, not only was this professor wrong about that, but he was yelling as if the man had threatened his only child. WTF? And this was not a professor who I'd *ever* seen lose his temper before. He'd always seemed very quiet and rational to me.

Another time, on an online site, I was discussing a book I'd read, and how I thought the author was very much into BDSM given what I was seeing as the culture in the book and the hero's arc, etc. Suddenly, this other author comes at me. Capitol letters screaming, "How dare you insult this writer by suggesting that! You know nothing about writing and the writing process...." Oh, my gosh! The guy went crazy. You'd have thought I'd insulted his wife.

What usually happens in these situations is that the person who explodes has been faced with people arguing such things before, things he/she strongly disagreed with. In their head, they've been building up counter arguments against these people. And then, one day, some innocent smuck casually and unwittingly sticks their finger into that old, open wound and "bam!" Our person lets lose with the whole arsenal. The innocent person becomes the scapegoat, the one who will die for the sins of all those past idiots! They will be forced to endure every counter-argument, every insult created and stored up for just this occasion! Revenge and vindication at last!

Unfortunately, the person exploding doesn't realize that everyone is gawking at them, wondering why they've started this argument and why they're acting like an asshole.

That's kind of the argument I was seeing--how it may have happened and got out of hand. I don't think it suggests a person who can't control their temper or gets into a lot of fights...just someone who, like all of us, has certain sensitive buttons. Then again, maybe you're right an anyone with that reaction to a sensitive button push isn't Dom (or good Dom) material.

 

[BiBunny]

Well, as I said to HottieMama, I'm assuming that my hypothetical Dom doesn't usually start fights but that whoever he's run into, at whatever venue (could be an office party or a wedding), unwittingly pushed a button and set him off.

I've had this happen to me several times--and seen it happen. I remember a visiting lecturer quietly mentioning that a certain piece of literature could be classified as science fiction, and one of the professors in the audience started screaming at him that it was not science fiction. I mean, not only was this professor wrong about that, but he was yelling as if the man had threatened his only child. WTF?

Another time, on an online site, I was discussing a book I'd read, and how I thought the author was very much into BDSM given what I was seeing as the culture in the book and the hero's arc, etc. Suddenly, this other author comes at me. Capitol letters screaming, "How dare you insult this writer by suggesting that! You know nothing about writing and the writing process...." Oh, my gosh! The guy went crazy. You'd have thought I'd insulted his wife.

What usually happens in these situations is that the person who explodes has been faced with people arguing such things before, things he/she strongly disagreed with. In their head, they've been building up counter arguments against these people. And then, one day, some innocent smuck casually and unwittingly sticks their finger into that old, open wound and "bam!" Our person lets lose with the whole arsenal. The innocent person becomes the scapegoat, the one who will die for the sins of all those past idiots! They will be forced to endure every counter-argument, every insult created and stored up for just this occasion! Revenge and vindication at last!

Unfortunately, the person exploding doesn't realize that everyone is gawking at them, wondering why they've started this argument and why they're acting like an asshole.

That's kind of the argument I was seeing--how it may have happened and got out of hand.

However...when one starts a fight (and, like many others have said, I wouldn't be involved with someone who does such things), one never knows the outcome. Yeah, it could just end with bruised egos and black eyes (which, to me, is still hurt), but you never know when some jackass is going to pull a knife or a gun or something, and then it doesn't matter how powerful Master is. He's still human like the rest of us. Yes, even precious Master can get shanked like anybody else. Can you still live with yourself afterwards if you stand idly by? That's what it all comes down to in the end--we may be subs, Doms, switches, or whatever, but we're still human. Furthermore, even if it's "just" a bar fight, Master could still get arrested because the law doesn't give a fuck about how "powerful" he is. In B.'s line of work, an arrest record is going to get him fired, and he'll be digging ditches the rest of his life.

Anyway, I'm ducking out now. We're all human in the end, and I'm not interested in getting involved in "subbier-than-thou" pissing matches.

 

[Netzach]

Well, as I said to HottieMama, I'm assuming that my hypothetical Dom doesn't usually start fights but that whoever he's run into, at whatever venue (could be an office party or a wedding), unwittingly pushed a button and set him off.

I've had this happen to me several times--and seen it happen. I remember a visiting lecturer quietly mentioning that a certain piece of literature could be classified as science fiction, and one of the professors in the audience started screaming at him that it was not science fiction. I mean, not only was this professor wrong about that, but he was yelling as if the man had threatened his only child. WTF? And this was not a professor who I'd *ever* seen lose his temper before. He'd always seemed very quiet and rational to me.

Another time, on an online site, I was discussing a book I'd read, and how I thought the author was very much into BDSM given what I was seeing as the culture in the book and the hero's arc, etc. Suddenly, this other author comes at me. Capitol letters screaming, "How dare you insult this writer by suggesting that! You know nothing about writing and the writing process...." Oh, my gosh! The guy went crazy. You'd have thought I'd insulted his wife.

What usually happens in these situations is that the person who explodes has been faced with people arguing such things before, things he/she strongly disagreed with. In their head, they've been building up counter arguments against these people. And then, one day, some innocent smuck casually and unwittingly sticks their finger into that old, open wound and "bam!" Our person lets lose with the whole arsenal. The innocent person becomes the scapegoat, the one who will die for the sins of all those past idiots! They will be forced to endure every counter-argument, every insult created and stored up for just this occasion! Revenge and vindication at last!

Unfortunately, the person exploding doesn't realize that everyone is gawking at them, wondering why they've started this argument and why they're acting like an asshole.

That's kind of the argument I was seeing--how it may have happened and got out of hand. I don't think it suggests a person who can't control their temper or gets into a lot of fights...just someone who, like all of us, has certain sensitive buttons. Then again, maybe you're right an anyone with that reaction to a sensitive button push isn't Dom (or good Dom) material.

Everyone has buttons to push. I just know that the person I've experimented with submission with is the kind of person who would shoo me away from an altercation, deflect it by taking the deferential position or cracking a joke, walk away etc.

This is a person who ends fights with broken bones. If he fights he will win in a quick and ugly moment. So fighting is pretty much a life and limb proposition. or a sport, not a recreational pasttime.

I can't really see myself starting fights. I know that if I get into an argument about something and push past the socially comfortable point my husband or my slave's demeanor will let me know that I'm in danger of embarrassing myself without them saying anything. I can fight over a book, probably not THAT intensely, but still...

 

[catalina_francisco]

Firstly, I avoid people who are loud, agressive, and/or given to losing self control and reacting violently....even more so in one who calls themselves a PYL....so I would not be with someone who is likely to react in such a way on the spur of the moment as the situation seems to indicate. I could understand a rare circumstance whereby it might occur under extremely extenuating circumstances, but that would be more a once in a lifetime situation if at all and would have to have a very good, strong reason that it happened.

That aside, if it happened and it was a situation where the PYL was reacting to misinformation or a mistaken assumption, not simply angry over some minor assumed slant etc., I would quietly and quickly inform him of the situation as it really were. I would try to do it in a way which did not expose him or a way in which my words were not overheard by anyone other than him. Why? Because it is not my place or wish to assert myself in such a way as to show him up for being anything less than wonderful, or publicly shame him.

From this point, if he asked my advice I would offer it if I had any and in a way which I saw as being possible for him to save face in the situation. If he chose to not want to know and continue with whatever action he felt necessary, I would respect and support his decision. He values my mind and insight in many things so he would welcome me alerting him to the potential he was about to make a fool of himself in front of others by reacting to the wrong information, but he would not value me asserting my opinion over his and trying to impose my will if he still felt it necessary to proceed...that is not my place. If it were a correct assumption or information he had reacted to, I would assume it would be of magnanimous proportions and thus likely warrant him feeling driven to take some action. My thoughts are though, knowing my Owner, he would not make a public scene as that is not his style, but he may find another way to privately let his feelings be known and take possible action other than violence if he still felt it necessary.

Catalina

 

[minx1]

Well, as I said to HottieMama, I'm assuming that my hypothetical Dom doesn't usually start fights but that whoever he's run into, at whatever venue (could be an office party or a wedding), unwittingly pushed a button and set him off.

I've had this happen to me several times--and seen it happen. I remember a visiting lecturer quietly mentioning that a certain piece of literature could be classified as science fiction, and one of the professors in the audience started screaming at him that it was not science fiction. I mean, not only was this professor wrong about that, but he was yelling as if the man had threatened his only child. WTF? And this was not a professor who I'd *ever* seen lose his temper before. He'd always seemed very quiet and rational to me.

Another time, on an online site, I was discussing a book I'd read, and how I thought the author was very much into BDSM given what I was seeing as the culture in the book and the hero's arc, etc. Suddenly, this other author comes at me. Capitol letters screaming, "How dare you insult this writer by suggesting that! You know nothing about writing and the writing process...." Oh, my gosh! The guy went crazy. You'd have thought I'd insulted his wife.

What usually happens in these situations is that the person who explodes has been faced with people arguing such things before, things he/she strongly disagreed with. In their head, they've been building up counter arguments against these people. And then, one day, some innocent smuck casually and unwittingly sticks their finger into that old, open wound and "bam!" Our person lets lose with the whole arsenal. The innocent person becomes the scapegoat, the one who will die for the sins of all those past idiots! They will be forced to endure every counter-argument, every insult created and stored up for just this occasion! Revenge and vindication at last!

Unfortunately, the person exploding doesn't realize that everyone is gawking at them, wondering why they've started this argument and why they're acting like an asshole.

That's kind of the argument I was seeing--how it may have happened and got out of hand. I don't think it suggests a person who can't control their temper or gets into a lot of fights...just someone who, like all of us, has certain sensitive buttons. Then again, maybe you're right an anyone with that reaction to a sensitive button push isn't Dom (or good Dom) material.

Again though, I think it unlikely that my M wouldn't let something build so much that it ever got to that stage. And I don't think thats just where I am concerned either...I think thats part of who he is, his personality, characteristics and how he lives his life. He is self controlled and he has a tendency to deal with problems or issues as they arise, rather than bottling them all up. If he is upset about something or angry he will withdraw from the situation and consider things.

 

[CutieMouse]

Everyone has buttons to push. I just know that the person I've experimented with submission with is the kind of person who would shoo me away from an altercation, deflect it by taking the deferential position or cracking a joke, walk away etc.

This is a person who ends fights with broken bones. If he fights he will win in a quick and ugly moment. So fighting is pretty much a life and limb proposition. or a sport, not a recreational pasttime.

I can't really see myself starting fights. I know that if I get into an argument about something and push past the socially comfortable point my husband or my slave's demeanor will let me know that I'm in danger of embarrassing myself without them saying anything. I can fight over a book, probably not THAT intensely, but still...

What she said... I would seriously lose respect for a guy I trusted to beat my ass, if he couldn't just deflect or walk away.

 

[DVS]

I picked the first option, but like you said, not everybody is going to be the same. Some submissives will follow their Dom to the end, so backing their side up in a fight would be natural.

But, some will see it as just another stupid rumble, and stay out of it. Just because the submissive is the Dom's partner, being stupid shouldn't be a prerequisite. The submissive shouldn't be the submissive if someone is going to get hurt. Just because you are submissive, you still have a brain. I wouldn't want a submissive that doesn't speak her mind, even if she disagrees with me.

In the story, what is the Dom's point of view, here? Is this just a stupid fight, or is there a back-story? Just a couple of drunken men showing off their testosterone levels, perhaps? Or does the fight have some basis to the story line?

I think it will ultimately fall to what your story's character would do. If
the submissive character's personality is well developed, that should help you decide what will happen. Personally, I'd like to think the common sense thing would come through, because physical conflicts are not my thing.

Blindly taking sides isn't the answer. Breaking it up, for the betterment of all concerned is my choice. Let everyone cool off, wise up and regroup. But, that's just me.

 

[northwoods_sub]

Firstly, I avoid people who are loud, agressive, and/or given to losing self control and reacting violently....even more so in one who calls themselves a PYL....so I would not be with someone who is likely to react in such a way on the spur of the moment as the situation seems to indicate. I could understand a rare circumstance whereby it might occur under extremely extenuating circumstances, but that would be more a once in a lifetime situation if at all and would have to have a very good, strong reason that it happened.

That aside, if it happened and it was a situation where the PYL was reacting to misinformation or a mistaken assumption, not simply angry over some minor assumed slant etc., I would quietly and quickly inform him of the situation as it really were. I would try to do it in a way which did not expose him or a way in which my words were not overheard by anyone other than him. Why? Because it is not my place or wish to assert myself in such a way as to show him up for being anything less than wonderful, or publicly shame him.

From this point, if he asked my advice I would offer it if I had any and in a way which I saw as being possible for him to save face in the situation. If he chose to not want to know and continue with whatever action he felt necessary, I would respect and support his decision. He values my mind and insight in many things so he would welcome me alerting him to the potential he was about to make a fool of himself in front of others by reacting to the wrong information, but he would not value me asserting my opinion over his and trying to impose my will if he still felt it necessary to proceed...that is not my place. If it were a correct assumption or information he had reacted to, I would assume it would be of magnanimous proportions and thus likely warrant him feeling driven to take some action. My thoughts are though, knowing my Owner, he would not make a public scene as that is not his style, but he may find another way to privately let his feelings be known and take possible action other than violence if he still felt it necessary.

Catalina

This is closest to how I would handle the situation. Sir is not one to get in a altercation over something, however if the situation arose, I would try to calmly try to steer him in another direction. The final decision would be his though. I would in that case stand back and let him do what he felt needed to be done.
Does this make me stupid? Or less then inteligent in the eyes of others? I guess I really don't care. I would recognize he was wrong, but overall I would let him do what he felt needed to be done. I will not confront him in front of others. This is who I was before we were in a M/s dynamic and it is who I am now.

 

[subtleone]

I voted for the first one.

As this is a hypothetical situation, although I agree with many of the others that I would never sub to anyone that was likely to get into a bar brawl, I'll ignore that and try to give you an idea what I would do if the situation ever arose.

Although I respect my Master to the nth degree and what he says within the home is law whether it is right or wrong in my mind; I do have a mind of my own (it just belongs to him) and occasionally use it to think for myself. If we were ever in that situation, I would intervene in any diplomatic way that I could, try to bring him to his senses and ask if we could leave. Anything to avert the fight. If, retrospectively, he believed that I was in the wrong for questioning his authority (and he would explain to me why I was wrong to intervene) I would take my punishment like a good girl, and the knowledge that I had averted the situation would help me endure it.

Hope this helps

 

[FurryFury]

Well, as I said to HottieMama, I'm assuming that my hypothetical Dom doesn't usually start fights but that whoever he's run into, at whatever venue (could be an office party or a wedding), unwittingly pushed a button and set him off.

I've had this happen to me several times--and seen it happen. I remember a visiting lecturer quietly mentioning that a certain piece of literature could be classified as science fiction, and one of the professors in the audience started screaming at him that it was not science fiction. I mean, not only was this professor wrong about that, but he was yelling as if the man had threatened his only child. WTF? And this was not a professor who I'd *ever* seen lose his temper before. He'd always seemed very quiet and rational to me.

Another time, on an online site, I was discussing a book I'd read, and how I thought the author was very much into BDSM given what I was seeing as the culture in the book and the hero's arc, etc. Suddenly, this other author comes at me. Capitol letters screaming, "How dare you insult this writer by suggesting that! You know nothing about writing and the writing process...." Oh, my gosh! The guy went crazy. You'd have thought I'd insulted his wife.

What usually happens in these situations is that the person who explodes has been faced with people arguing such things before, things he/she strongly disagreed with. In their head, they've been building up counter arguments against these people. And then, one day, some innocent smuck casually and unwittingly sticks their finger into that old, open wound and "bam!" Our person lets lose with the whole arsenal. The innocent person becomes the scapegoat, the one who will die for the sins of all those past idiots! They will be forced to endure every counter-argument, every insult created and stored up for just this occasion! Revenge and vindication at last!

Unfortunately, the person exploding doesn't realize that everyone is gawking at them, wondering why they've started this argument and why they're acting like an asshole.

That's kind of the argument I was seeing--how it may have happened and got out of hand. I don't think it suggests a person who can't control their temper or gets into a lot of fights...just someone who, like all of us, has certain sensitive buttons. Then again, maybe you're right an anyone with that reaction to a sensitive button push isn't Dom (or good Dom) material.

So what book was that??? Inquiring minds want to know!!

See books, music, and movies are very personal. Online people go off like they do on service personnel because they think they can get away with it. That doesn't make them good people though, just immature cowards usually IMO.

I too avoid confrontations and people with tempers now that I can pick and choose the people I spend my time with. You have to back me into a corner to really start a fight with me and then it gets UGLY.

I see relationships of any kink flavor, or non kinked, as partnerships. If I was about to get into some shit I didn't have to, that could get me arrested or whatever, I'd want my husband to say something and vice versa.

OTOH, I'm certainly not going to stand between a couple of men or women who are fighting it out. They wanna be jerks so be it.

*shrugs*

Oh and people who's partner, kids or animals can do "no wrong" need therapy IMO. That doesn't mean you have to treat the others with disrespect or always point out what they did wrong. One must chose their battles.

BTW, this is all MY opinion. It is NOT meant to discount any one else's practices or opinions on this board.

 

[Recidiva]

This is an interesting conversation for me. I'm a great deal more understanding of physical violence.

I'm also seeing that I can't imagine my SO starting a fight about that I wouldn't back him up for.

So I guess I'm not answering the question correctly.

I'm also having difficulty with a concept of "everyone" disagreeing.

 

[Betticus]

Doms are never wrong and never lose fights.

A good subbie will stand to the side and wait for her Dom to finish playing.

 

[callinectes]

is there an option for "I don't sub to people who are the kind of people who would START a bar fight?"

Ding Ding Ding! That's my answer as well.


Now that I have read the rest of the thread I am adding to my comment...

My ex-husband is a self-important jackass. Ours was not a D/s relationship, BTW. He would frequently embarrass me by taking offense at some imagined slight by a waiteress/cashier/doctor. (yes, he even had a doctor drop him as a patient the day before surgery because he was such a jerk) It got to the point that when he started to show his ass I would simply take my daughter and walk away. It was humiliating for me to witness and I did not want her to think that type of behavior was acceptable.

If I was with Daddy and he decided to get into some kind of fight (hell would freeze first tho) I would try to discreetly pull him aside and suggest this wasn't a good idea. If he continued the altercation I would wait for him outside but I would also be one angry bitch. If he was hurt, I would probably tend to his needs but I wouldn't coo and fuss over him but I would tell him what a stupid thing that was for him to do. (I'm allowed and expected to voice my opinion)

If it happened a second time, it would be over.

 

[callinectes]

Doms are never wrong and never lose fights.[ QUOTE]

What if they are both Doms?

 

[3113]

In the story, what is the Dom's point of view, here? Is this just a stupid fight, or is there a back-story? Just a couple of drunken men showing off their testosterone levels, perhaps? Or does the fight have some basis to the story line?

Very good questions, and a very good point that working out those answers are important to deciding what happens. I know, for example, that there is a backstory, but I'm not too clear on what it is. I suspect that if I work it out it will help a lot. Thanks for asking such questions.

 

[DVS]

I'm just the devil's advocate here for a bit. This little scenario involves a male Dom and a female Submissive. I wonder what would be the thought process of a submissive that allows a Dom to take control of her life, in a time when she's not able to do much more than accept what happens to her.

She allows him to tie her up, beat on her naked body, control her sexual desires to the point of release then deny her, and repeat this again and again, until she's finally allowed release. Talk about a time of hightened emotional feelings.

She must trust this man to be able to control his emotions, whatever the situation, because he is not only controlling his own emotions in this situation, but also hers. He isn't in charge of just his sexual thoughts, but also her sexual thoughts.

I wonder if I were a female submissive...would I find a man that's so suseptable to a physical fight with someone else, because his emotions were triggered by something the other person said...would I want that man to ever be in control of my emotional and maybe even mental and physical welfare, at such a time when I am not able to do anything about it?

I like to think the mature Doms and Dommes of this lifestyle have the ability to restrain themselves, their emotions and their desires, when others might not be able to. It is a necessity that Doms be able to do this, because some of the scenes they are involved in can be close to the edge of emotion, not to even mention sub space.

So, I'd suspect the scenario of a Dom getting into a fight with someone else, would very much need a good reason for the trigger to suck him in. Not that it wouldn't be possible, becuase we are all only human. But, I'd like to think that we Doms are not as likely to pick a fight, or be goated into a fight by someone else. I'm not the fighting type. I only beat on women, after all.



Hey,, Marquis? Is this one of your alts?