Don't you agree?

[Homburg]

Put it this way, when the game was over I wasn't thinking either "game over" or "I value her submission". I was thinking "woah, cool. I wonder what else I can get her to do." and "Damn, I'm a fucking gangster."

Agreed. I honestly don't think about her submission period. It's a non-issue. But that 10ft tall and bulletproof feeling I get from doing stuff like that is valuable. Thus the "value-added" concept. There are a lot of asses that would love a beating, but only a few of them are going to make me feel like king of the fucking jungle while I do it.

 

[Marquis]

Agreed. I honestly don't think about her submission period. It's a non-issue. But that 10ft tall and bulletproof feeling I get from doing stuff like that is valuable. Thus the "value-added" concept. There are a lot of asses that would love a beating, but only a few of them are going to make me feel like king of the fucking jungle while I do it.

ha ha, well said.

 

[BiBunny]

You know what? I fucking love it when Doms are honest about why they do some of the things they do. I'd ten times rather hear a man say he does X because he wants to, and it's a monstrous ego stroke for him, rather than hear that "I'm doing it to help you grow" crap when we both know it's bullshit.

 

[Marquis]

You know what? I fucking love it when Doms are honest about why they do some of the things they do. I'd ten times rather hear a man say he does X because he wants to, and it's a monstrous ego stroke for him, rather than hear that "I'm doing it to help you grow" crap when we both know it's bullshit.

Hey man, that's one of our best lines.

It all works in cycles. For a while it's all "me me me MEEEEE"

and then eventually the sub is like, "but, what about me? don't I count for ANYTHING (everything)?"

and then you gotta be like, "baby. love of my life. no matter what it may appear, everything, and i mean EVERYTHING i do. is for you."

*smooch, grab lube*

 

[Homburg]

You know what? I fucking love it when Doms are honest about why they do some of the things they do. I'd ten times rather hear a man say he does X because he wants to, and it's a monstrous ego stroke for him, rather than hear that "I'm doing it to help you grow" crap when we both know it's bullshit.

Oh, I do stuff to foster growth too, but the vast majority of what I do is for pure enjoyment. And I'm enough of a pig (ie honest) to admit to it (and wallow in it)

 

[00Syd]

Wallowing pigs are the best kind. A pig who doesn't wallow is just an asshole pretending that he's not a pig. A pig who wallows in it owns their piggishness. And ignoring the metaphor, thats hot.

 

[Homburg]

Wallowing pigs are the best kind. A pig who doesn't wallow is just an asshole pretending that he's not a pig. A pig who wallows in it owns their piggishness. And ignoring the metaphor, thats hot.

We have a winner!

 

[Marquis]

Wallowing pigs are the best kind. A pig who doesn't wallow is just an asshole pretending that he's not a pig. A pig who wallows in it owns their piggishness. And ignoring the metaphor, thats hot.

Your metaphor is totally hot.

This has always been an issue for me. Often enough, you can call me whatever the fuck you want. I can be pretty thick skinned, and what I get called is often a small price for what I get to do in return.

Every once in a while the identity begins to wear on me and I want to clean up my act. Thats when I find out that bitches won't fuck and suck for the nice guy the way they get nasty for the pig. They will do some other nice stuff though, it's all good really.

 

[faeriefire]

value?

I would say that it can be a value increase and could also be a value decrease. The truth is, I tend to think that women (of which I'm generally referring to subby women when i say that (Netz, do I need to say this every time)) are more preoccupied with their value to their partner than their men are.

That is to say, judge his value for you based on what he offers you as a partner, not based on your own "performance."

This is confusing, even to me.

Ummm???? Yeah, confusing. And the pig metaphor. Definately Animal Farm flashback lol. So pretty much the more a guy offers of himself (sexually or otherwise) the more the woman thinks he cares? Is that the gist? Whew, men are soooo confusing

 

[nh23]

You know what? I fucking love it when Doms are honest about why they do some of the things they do. I'd ten times rather hear a man say he does X because he wants to, and it's a monstrous ego stroke for him, rather than hear that "I'm doing it to help you grow" crap when we both know it's bullshit.

Agreed. It's so fucking hot to hear I'm going to hurt you because I want to. Because it pleases me to see you in pain. (etc.) *swoons*

 

[Perfect_Trust]

Originally posted by Marquis
Thats when I find out that bitches won't fuck and suck for the nice guy the way they get nasty for the pig. They will do some other nice stuff though, it's all good really.

So true, personally i get bored with too much nice stuff... leaves me feeling cold and distant, not to mention bratty coz I'm wondering why they have no motivation to really get inside my head.

I find it quite laughable (in a sad kinda way) that the two long term nilla relationships I was in both ended due to sex being a total no go area. They both decided I was frigid (lmao, they've no idea) despite it all starting with me wanting them to be more pushy and them not being able to move on to anything more exciting.

 

[Marquis]

So true, personally i get bored with too much nice stuff... leaves me feeling cold and distant, not to mention bratty coz I'm wondering why they have no motivation to really get inside my head.

Yes, it's very confusing, but you see, it's kind of like this. Too much nice stuff leaves you feeling cold and distant, but too much rough stuff keeps you fired and up and a little too in my face. Knowing exactly where that perfect midpoint is would require calibrating equipment of futuristic sensitivity.

I'm telling you, once the nanites get here, we're gonna be on easy street.

 

[Netzach]

Your metaphor is totally hot.

This has always been an issue for me. Often enough, you can call me whatever the fuck you want. I can be pretty thick skinned, and what I get called is often a small price for what I get to do in return.

Every once in a while the identity begins to wear on me and I want to clean up my act. Thats when I find out that bitches won't fuck and suck for the nice guy the way they get nasty for the pig. They will do some other nice stuff though, it's all good really.

Careful here. Right here.

Just a word of friendly advice. Let YOU decide whether you're the asshole or the prince today. Not someone else's horny pussy.

This is one of the most subtle manipulations out there and it's deadly. I think any Top who's into it seriously has been taken for multiple rides on this one.

 

[Marquis]

Careful here. Right here.

Just a word of friendly advice. Let YOU decide whether you're the asshole or the prince today. Not someone else's horny pussy.

This is one of the most subtle manipulations out there and it's deadly. I think any Top who's into it seriously has been taken for multiple rides on this one.

Solution?

 

[RJMasters]

You know what? I fucking love it when Doms are honest about why they do some of the things they do. I'd ten times rather hear a man say he does X because he wants to, and it's a monstrous ego stroke for him, rather than hear that "I'm doing it to help you grow" crap when we both know it's bullshit.

Hahaha, this made me laugh. If I had a dollar for everytime a submissive begged or asked sincerely for my wisdom or help to help them grow, I would be a rich man. That is not to make light of those who do ask for help, advice or council, but point out that in most of my experience in helping others to grow has been a result of being asked.

In a similar way I guess I like submissives that are honest and sinecere when they ask for such help and get off on accepting direction and adjustment from a Dominant they respect or admire. In this way I see it as a definate possabilty to getting one's ego stroked, gaining more respect, or simply the self satisfaction that you influenced another by helping them along their journey. Without that kind of payoff, the trouble and risks would never be worth doing it ever.

I think there are a lot of people who have some kind of dynamic in their D/s relationship in which it is stacked towards the submissive often looking to the Dominant for guidance, centeredness, and direction(and its not bullshit). Its only bullshit when either party are insincere.

If all things are "sterotypical equal" men are simpletons because the male ego and cock must be stroked, then so too do women live in the land of emotional unrest where they consider it a perogative to change their minds as a legitimate excuse for believing they are sincere in everything they do.

When such a sterotypical universe presses in upon my reality, then Marquis's answer is as good as any. "tell them what they want to hear and then grab the lube. From my perspective, a good hard stiffy has just as good a chance of simplifying emotional unrest as a paradigm of wisdom intended to help someone grow.

My conclusion of the matter then is that both are acceptable solutions depending on circumstances involved....

LMAO.

 

[Netzach]

Solution?

Wish I the fuck knew.

Remember my "pussywhipped by sissies?" T- shirt idea?

I'm not ashamed of the fact, and I'm not always whipped. But sometimes...yeah....I have the T shirt.

 

[Netzach]

I know I've helped people "grow" and "learn" and "expand their horizons" etc. but I've never been asked by anyone sincere about it.

Sincere people just do it.

It's a "just something that happens" kind of thing. And rarely do I find either party sitting back saying "wow I really grew there" - maybe sometimes, and it's kind of nice. But I distrust open negotiations about that and I distrust the idea of setting it as a goal for myself let alone anyone else.

To me, it's about making a series of small, almost subconscious decisions that put you, as a submissive or as a Dominant, but just as a human being, in the path of challenge, and having enough self-discipline to stay there and see what happens on the other end.

When it happens among a pair it's one of those super sexy outcroppings of chemistry, one of the perks of chemistry.

Dicking doesn't enter into it. I'm not attracted to people who believe it does, it's a less subtle machination than the one above and a pedestal I don't care to get up on.

Although I think for some people "personal development" might be a kind of kink/roleplay in itself, rather than a justification. I could get into that, maybe, if there's transparency about it. "This is what gets me off, but I can function as an adult without it." I need that reassurance, because I've encountered too many infantile people who want to recruit me to teach them emotional 101.

women live in the land of emotional unrest where they consider it a perogative to change their minds as a legitimate excuse for believing they are sincere in everything they do

Hahahah! If I had a dime for every man occupying THIS mysterious "land of unrest" I'd be the richest woman alive.

 

[Marquis]

Wish I the fuck knew.

Ha ha, true enough.

I feel like as long as I'm happy, I don't care. Make me happy. Am I a happy? Then the answer to every other question is the same.

Remember my "pussywhipped by sissies?" T- shirt idea?

No, but that's good. Can I use it?

I'm not ashamed of the fact, and I'm not always whipped. But sometimes...yeah....I have the T shirt.

Oh crap, they made the t-shirt?

I thought you said it was an idea!!!

What would be the mdom version of that?

Oh my god, I will totally make this t-shirt.

 

[Netzach]

Ha ha, true enough.

I feel like as long as I'm happy, I don't care. Make me happy. Am I a happy? Then the answer to every other question is the same.



No, but that's good. Can I use it?



Oh crap, they made the t-shirt?

I thought you said it was an idea!!!

What would be the mdom version of that?

Oh my god, I will totally make this t-shirt.

It does not to my knowledge exist.

Take it, have it, run with it.

 

[Marquis]

I know I've helped people "grow" and "learn" and "expand their horizons" etc. but I've never been asked by anyone sincere about it.

Sincere people just do it.

It's a "just something that happens" kind of thing. And rarely do I find either party sitting back saying "wow I really grew there" - maybe sometimes, and it's kind of nice. But I distrust open negotiations about that and I distrust the idea of setting it as a goal for myself let alone anyone else.

To me, it's about making a series of small, almost subconscious decisions that put you, as a submissive or as a Dominant, but just as a human being, in the path of challenge, and having enough self-discipline to stay there and see what happens on the other end.

Dicking doesn't enter into it. /QUOTE]

If you had a dick, don't you think it probably would?

Goals suck.

A guy at a convention once talked about elaborate interrogation scenes. He explained why he would never play with the goal of finding out a particular secret.

Only a sucker plays a game they can't win.

 

[Marquis]

It does not to my knowledge exist.

Take it, have it, run with it.

You know I make t-shirts, right?

 

[RJMasters]

Dicking doesn't enter into it.

Nilla version = "I just want you to listen to me and hold me and everything in the universe is calm and fine once again. Everything is simplified as I am safe and feel loved/protected.

Kink version = Heard a 1000 times over and over on this board and many others like it by submissive women...I feel most loved when I am used by you for your pleasure. Life is simple when you tell me what to do and I do it.

For some, dicking has everything to do with it. Just saying.

 

[TeachMeSir]

......

 

[Marquis]

Can I help it that what you do just to please yourslef also pleases me?

Not at all!

We understand that you absolutely must do whatever we desire, and we are so willing to hold you to that it's not even funny.

I speak for all Doms, everywhere.

 

[RJMasters]

Dicking doesn't enter into it. I'm not attracted to people who believe it does, it's a less subtle machination than the one above and a pedestal I don't care to get up on.

Oh I don't know, I tend to think often that you have a whole palace complete with a throne built on that pedestal Netz. I mean, you make a living with the power of the all mighty vagina.

If you don't want to pay homage to the power of the phallus its no skin off my nose and don't really care, but to say your not up on pedestal of sexual power(regardless of your weapon of choice) is an epic blind spot. We're talking full eclipse here.

Exploits of your dicking is all over this forum and in the cafe.

I guess what your saying is, that when Dominant women share their exploits of dickery of men as if they are nothing more than ego/cocks simpletons, that is perfectly ok, but if Dominant men speak of dickery, we are somehow on a pedestal hatching involved plots to achieve sinister ends?


lol I guess I am guilty as charged.