Extreme Discipline

[Etoile]

As in osg's example, incessant food deprivation can possibly lead to health issues. Repetitive disciplinary actions of this nature are totally out of the question.

To me, this falls under SSC. No sane top is going to do something unsafe like that. (Okay, the C part doesn't really apply.) Yes, repeated starvation will damage a human body, but nobody's saying that the top would do that. It's temporary, and most likely infrequent.

And having met both osg and her Daddy, I can state pretty confidently that he wouldn't let his little girl be damaged as a result of his discipline. Just in case anybody's wondering about her specifically.

 

[s'lara]

To me, this falls under SSC. No sane top is going to do something unsafe like that. (Okay, the C part doesn't really apply.) Yes, repeated starvation will damage a human body, but nobody's saying that the top would do that. It's temporary, and most likely infrequent.

And having met both osg and her Daddy, I can state pretty confidently that he wouldn't let his little girl be damaged as a result of his discipline. Just in case anybody's wondering about her specifically.

Incessant food deprivation doesn't fall under SSC for me. If the forced fasting is infrequent, i am sure it wouldn't be a problem provided such fasting isn't adverse to the health of the submissive.

As far as osg and her Daddy, i am pretty sure she was clear about how He used this tactic on a prior slave and not with her. i am far from worried about osg or her Master. Their relationship is unique to them and as such, i can only hope they are doing their best to care for each other.

lara

 

[Etoile]

As far as osg and her Daddy, i am pretty sure she was clear about how He used this tactic on a prior slave and not with her.

The way she stated it was "in the past" which doesn't tell us who was involved.

 

[s'lara]

The way she stated it was "in the past" which doesn't tell us who was involved.

She did state that she never said it was she who was the subject of this kind of discipline and went as far as to make the distinction as shown below:

as to what was gained by my Master starving his slave (i never said he ever subjected me personally to this, btw. i am not the only slave he has ever owned), she developed a new awareness and appreciation of her place as property.

While this is subject to interpretation, it does appear that she went through an effort to make it clear that she was not the only sub He ever owned and went on to refer to a "she." As osg has not indulged in the third person "internet speak" in my readings of her public posts (she and i have not conversed privately), i think it safe to conclude that she wasn't referring to herself. If she feels it necessary to further define the above statement to clarify whether it was she who was subject to the discipline, so be it.

Aside from subjective interpretations of what osg stated, i still hold to my previous posts on this topic as i am sure you do as well Etoile. All cool with me.

lara

 

[Etoile]

Hi, s'lara! This is me not having a brain. I didn't take my meds today, it's 1:30am and I have to be up at 7:00. And I didn't read thoroughly. You are absolutely and completely right. Now I just have to finish reading my e-mail and then I can go to bed.

 

[s'lara]

Hi, s'lara! This is me not having a brain. I didn't take my meds today, it's 1:30am and I have to be up at 7:00. And I didn't read thoroughly. You are absolutely and completely right. Now I just have to finish reading my e-mail and then I can go to bed.

Sleep well Etoile. Our mods are precious commodity and we like to see them well rested. Good night miss.

lara

 

[CutieMouse]

Interesting bump...

 

[eastern sun]

As a young woman, I experienced discipline administered by a sadist - systematic sleep deprivation, adrenalin-pumping events that we were expected to handle with equanimity, excruciating physical work-outs, food offered only at the discretion of authority. Discipline designed to break down our expectations of life, the "comfort zones" we'd developed as middle-class Americans, to allow us to respond spontaneously, creatively and with immense heart in situations saturated with fear. And it worked. And I came to love the mix of adrenalin and fear.

Now, today, I live as a "slave," but my master is not a sadist. Discipline is still critical, but it is largely self-imposed, and rarely heavy-handed. He makes his expectations clear. If I fail to meet them, we are miserable. I can try to comfort myself with food and sleep and pleasant distractions, and none of it comes close to working as long as we are in conflict. Only by disciplining myself, through meditation and mindfulness, can I even begin to meet his expectations without losing myself in myself.

Extreme discipline, as I understand the term, breaks down the expectations and ego-structures that stand in the way of fearless spontaneity. But so does meditation. If you're disciplined.

I do think there's a difference, though. And I think it has to do with the play of adrenalin.

I would love to see studies done on BDSM and adrenalin - and the long-term consequences to our health. Does anyone know if they exist?