Female Brain vs. Male Brain

[s_red830]

My own $.02

Interesting.

Now I can say I generally agree with this, but... now this is very un-pc... where is the men's movement?

Not to say that the women's movement wasn't desperately needed, but I do believe that it has achieved a good deal of its intentions, such as giving women freedoms that they didn't have before, making them less beholden to men, etc.

But where, in this post about the female brain, is there consideration taken into the fact that men feel just as well as women, just differently? I really resent being told that I don't feel as well as women. No, I don't communicate it as they do, but I feel just as well.

But that's more of a rant about statistics, and a little less relevant.

My problem is... there was much more to this study than just notations about the female brain and all its wonderful skills. Where's the stuff about men?

I believe that men deserve just as much respect from women as women do from men. Men (stereotypically) disrespect women by using them as sex objects, denouncing their opinion, etc. Everyone is well aware of this. However, women can disrespect men by implying that they're stupid, they're jerks, they don't feel, etc. Does any of this sound familiar?

I'd love to read a post by Etoile on this, considering that her Daddy is of unspecified gender and might possibly come from a similar place as I do on this.

Any questions, feel free to ask... I probably left some stuff out.

~Red.

 

[s_red830]

You are NOT one of those people.

You sound like a female Kramer, "I was bathed in testosterone, Jerry! In utero!"

I'm sick of women trying to convince themselves that they're males.

Just cause you NEED one, doesn't mean you ARE one.

that's all I have to say.

 

[Shankara20]

Interesting.

Now I can say I generally agree with this, but... now this is very un-pc... where is the men's movement?

Not to say that the women's movement wasn't desperately needed, but I do believe that it has achieved a good deal of its intentions, such as giving women freedoms that they didn't have before, making them less beholden to men, etc.

But where, in this post about the female brain, is there consideration taken into the fact that men feel just as well as women, just differently? I really resent being told that I don't feel as well as women. No, I don't communicate it as they do, but I feel just as well.

But that's more of a rant about statistics, and a little less relevant.

My problem is... there was much more to this study than just notations about the female brain and all its wonderful skills. Where's the stuff about men?

I believe that men deserve just as much respect from women as women do from men. Men (stereotypically) disrespect women by using them as sex objects, denouncing their opinion, etc. Everyone is well aware of this. However, women can disrespect men by implying that they're stupid, they're jerks, they don't feel, etc. Does any of this sound familiar?

I'd love to read a post by Etoile on this, considering that her Daddy is of unspecified gender and might possibly come from a similar place as I do on this.

Any questions, feel free to ask... I probably left some stuff out.

~Red.

Hi Red - there are several threads around that discuss the male perspective, they pop up, are active for a while and go quiet. Some are informative and supportive and some are just silly - as with most topics tossed up here.

You might find this post of mine interesting.

https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=18701286&postcount=19

If you find a thread you want to bump up for more discussion, or want to start one please let me know so I don't miss it, I would welcome such a discussion.

Shank

 

[s_red830]

Hi Red - there are several threads around that discuss the male perspective, they pop up, are active for a while and go quiet. Some are informative and supportive and some are just silly - as with most topics tossed up here.

You might find this post of mine interesting.

https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=18701286&postcount=19

If you find a thread you want to bump up for more discussion, or want to start one please let me know so I don't miss it, I would welcome such a discussion.

Shank

okay, thanks shank.

 

[graceanne]

You know, i get sick of people saying that girls wear dresses cause only cause it's environment, and boys only play with guns cause it's environment. When my kids were babies they wore onsies most of the time (in all colors). I am not the worlds most patient person, and onsies are easier to clean and harder for them to get off. When I'd take them to buy toys (as they got older) I let them choose the toys they wanted, cause the point of toys is to entertain them, not to fulfill my expectations of what game they should play. I even, occasionally, bought them toys that were 'gender opposite' (like cars for my girls, stuffed animals for my son), just so that they'd have them if they wanted to play with them.

My girls always go for dress ups, and dolls, and stuff like that, and I've lost track of the number of toy guns, and tiny cars I've bought my son. (I'm running out of room in his toy box for the damn things.) I understand that some people pressure their children to fulfill gender rolls, but the majority of parents don't anymore. At least here in Oregon, I can't speak for elsewear.

And yet, the majority of the little girls I know want to dress up and play house and wear frilly dresses. And the majority of boys want to play outside, and rough house, and are constantly fighting with my son over his toy guns.

I know that not all children fit in with the 'gender rolls', and if they don't that's fine. My sister was never in the slightest bit interested in dolls and stuff. She's a 'tom-boy' through and through, and frankly I adore her. (And in her case their was a lot of pressure from our grandma for her to be girly - drove my step mom batty.) But just cause a little girl likes dresses or a little boy likes cars DOESN'T mean it's 'cause of societal pressure.

 

[Hester]

And yet, the majority of the little girls I know want to dress up and play house and wear frilly dresses. And the majority of boys want to play outside, and rough house, and are constantly fighting with my son over his toy guns.

i fought with with the boys while i wore my frilly dresses. i suppose, in a way, i still do.

 

[Aeroil]

You know, i get sick of people saying that girls wear dresses cause only cause it's environment, and boys only play with guns cause it's environment. When my kids were babies they wore onsies most of the time (in all colors). I am not the worlds most patient person, and onsies are easier to clean and harder for them to get off. When I'd take them to buy toys (as they got older) I let them choose the toys they wanted, cause the point of toys is to entertain them, not to fulfill my expectations of what game they should play. I even, occasionally, bought them toys that were 'gender opposite' (like cars for my girls, stuffed animals for my son), just so that they'd have them if they wanted to play with them.

My girls always go for dress ups, and dolls, and stuff like that, and I've lost track of the number of toy guns, and tiny cars I've bought my son. (I'm running out of room in his toy box for the damn things.) I understand that some people pressure their children to fulfill gender rolls, but the majority of parents don't anymore. At least here in Oregon, I can't speak for elsewear.

And yet, the majority of the little girls I know want to dress up and play house and wear frilly dresses. And the majority of boys want to play outside, and rough house, and are constantly fighting with my son over his toy guns.

I know that not all children fit in with the 'gender rolls', and if they don't that's fine. My sister was never in the slightest bit interested in dolls and stuff. She's a 'tom-boy' through and through, and frankly I adore her. (And in her case their was a lot of pressure from our grandma for her to be girly - drove my step mom batty.) But just cause a little girl likes dresses or a little boy likes cars DOESN'T mean it's 'cause of societal pressure.

I never claimed societal pressure affects 3-5 year olds, I don't know any 3-5 year olds.
Kids emulate a lot, though, and you can't tell me they never see you in a dress or they never see K acting all tough, or that they don't have friends who are into dresses and toy guns.

 

[Esclava]

... <snip> ... I know that not all children fit in with the 'gender rolls', and if they don't that's fine. My sister was never in the slightest bit interested in dolls and stuff. She's a 'tom-boy' through and through, and frankly I adore her. (And in her case their was a lot of pressure from our grandma for her to be girly - drove my step mom batty.) But just cause a little girl likes dresses or a little boy likes cars DOESN'T mean it's 'cause of societal pressure.

You're right graceanne - it's not ALL 'cause of societal pressure. But as you said about how your grandmother treated your sister, the pressure for girls to be girly is there, prevalent, and difficult to withstand.

Being girly was never a forte of mine but something interesting happened in my sport of choice. I learned to bowl from my mother - who bowled in a skirt. Up until I broke my leg earlier this year, my near 190 average (187) was earned wearing a skirt. Guys I bowl with hate being beaten by "the girl in the skirt" ... but the skirt doesn't affect my competition on the lanes. I just look like a woman and think like a man. Personally, I like seeing athletic legs moving gracefully under a mid-thigh length skirt covering firm glutes and quads ... bending over to pick up the ball ... stepping into the support stance ... pushing away with grace and coordination through all the steps of the approach ... entering the slide and delivering the ball accurately down the lane for a strike ... oh my ...

[Correcting the train of thought derailment ...] IMO, it's important for kids to be allowed to decide for themselves who they are and how they choose to think because they DO learn from the world around them. They need to have the freedom to know that everything about themselves is OK - as mine did in order to tolerate the fact that I dated women; that our lives were different from their friend's lives - different from the "norm". I don't think my girls are overly girly - nor are they overly aggressive and my son ... Well, suffice it to say the Marines did their share to convince him that "real Marines are manly men" ...

Ahhhhh ... but such is this world we live in as men and women from Mars and Venus!

Esclava

 

[Esclava]

[hijack]The other day while I was peeing my son (age 3) comes running in, holding his penis. Obviously he was gonna pee on me if I didn't get up, so I did quickly. But I still needed to go, so I was standing around, waiting for him to finish. He looked up at me, then down to his penis and said "Mine." I nodded and said "Yep. That's yours." Very proudly he said "Mine." I said "D, no one wants it." Then he finished and I sat down to finish. He was standing in the mirror, admiring his penis, and reminding me it was his. Finally I said "That's your penis." "My pee-nish?" he asked. "Yep, your penis." He turned back around to look again and then said, "I wanna see B's (my four year old girl) penis.", and ran for the door. I barely caught him before he went and tried to talk B into letting him see her penis. [/hijack]

And THIS is one of the funniest things I've read in a very long time - Thanks!

I have always wondered what goes through the minds of men when they're standing side by side at the urinal ...

Esclava

 

[graceanne]

I never claimed societal pressure affects 3-5 year olds, I don't know any 3-5 year olds.
Kids emulate a lot, though, and you can't tell me they never see you in a dress or they never see K acting all tough, or that they don't have friends who are into dresses and toy guns.

My oldest is eight. Add to that that I've been taking care of children longer than you've been alive. My parents were drug addicts, I took care of my sister, and she was 15 months younger than me. I have another sister who's 12 (as in 16 years younger than me). I know about a much larger age group of children then 3 to 5 year olds.

And why would my daughters choose to copy me? Or my son to copy his father? It's not societal, it's cause that's the actions that attract them the most. If my son was more interested in dresses and 'girly things' he'd imitate me, not his father. And if the girls were more interested in . . . boy stuff, they'd imitate their father, not me.

 

[graceanne]

And THIS is one of the funniest things I've read in a very long time - Thanks!

I have always wondered what goes through the minds of men when they're standing side by side at the urinal ...

Esclava

I thought it was pretty funny. He's only three, and already he's sure that's the coolest thing on the planet. I guess boys are born in love with their dicks. lol

 

[Aeroil]

My oldest is eight. Add to that that I've been taking care of children longer than you've been alive. My parents were drug addicts, I took care of my sister, and she was 15 months younger than me. I have another sister who's 12 (as in 16 years younger than me). I know about a much larger age group of children then 3 to 5 year olds.

And why would my daughters choose to copy me? Or my son to copy his father? It's not societal, it's cause that's the actions that attract them the most. If my son was more interested in dresses and 'girly things' he'd imitate me, not his father. And if the girls were more interested in . . . boy stuff, they'd imitate their father, not me.

I will admit that emulating one's parents is possibly a biological trait, that's how a child survives, emulating those who have survived in their enviornment well enough to achieve their biological purpose: to reproduce.

Still, they look at their parents, who are acting like "males" and "females", so they do the same... and the cycle continues.

 

[graceanne]

i fought with with the boys while i wore my frilly dresses. i suppose, in a way, i still do.

I have to admit - so did I. The boys at the misc. schools I went to knew not to mess with me or my sister. But for me it wasn't one of those fun things, it was a matter of I wasn't the friendliest child. I was very angry at the world, and VERY protective of my sister.

 

[graceanne]

I will admit that emulating one's parents is possibly a biological trait, that's how a child survives, emulating those who have survived in their enviornment well enough to achieve their biological purpose: to reproduce.

Still, they look at their parents, who are acting like "males" and "females", so they do the same... and the cycle continues.

As they get older, I can see that, the girls immitating me cause they know they're girls, and they know I'm a girl. But when they first start imitating they have no idea what male and female is. My son is just now figuring out that his sisters and I don't have the same privates as him. (See the hijack above. He wanted to see his sisters penis. LOL) He didn't realize till just this week that not everyone has a penis. It was the same with the girls. They didn't really notice that their dad's 'privates' were different from theirs until they were in the latter part of their third year. By then my they were permanently in pink (and they don't get that from me, I hate pink), and had more dolls than they had room for.

 

[Netzach]

When given a choice between a doll and a truck I would have whined for crayons.

 

[graceanne]

When given a choice between a doll and a truck I would have whined for crayons.

See, you weren't greedy enough. If given a choice between the three my middle girl will want the crayons and the doll. lol

 

[SpectreT]

And THIS is one of the funniest things I've read in a very long time - Thanks!

I have always wondered what goes through the minds of men when they're standing side by side at the urinal ...

Esclava

At the urinal? it depends somewhat on little things like age group, geographic location (i.e., whether you're in a gay nightclub or not), things like that. In a regular bar, what goes through the average guy's mind is something along the lines of:

"Whew. I was about ready to piss myself. Good thing we don't have those long lines to deal with."

Guys who are paranoid, or less secure might be thinking things like:

"Do not check out other guys' units. There is a spot directly above the urinal. this is the only safe spot to look at in the entire restroom. Eye contact is just as deadly as dick comparing."

Uber-macho homophobes might be thinking:

"Did that guy just check out my tool? If he so much as looks at me, I'll rearrange his face with a crowbar... <censored epithet regarding homosexuals>"

...So, you can see, it's not one blaket train of thought for all men.

edit to add:

And the once every 58 seconds is about right regarding sexual thoughts, for me anyway. If we assume the average sexual thought takes 58 seconds to complete, you'll get a more complete picture of one layer of my mind. Good thing I've got other layers to get things done with...

 

[Aeroil]

At the urinal? it depends somewhat on little things like age group, geographic location (i.e., whether you're in a gay nightclub or not), things like that. In a regular bar, what goes through the average guy's mind is something along the lines of:

"Whew. I was about ready to piss myself. Good thing we don't have those long lines to deal with."

Guys who are paranoid, or less secure might be thinking things like:

"Do not check out other guys' units. There is a spot directly above the urinal. this is the only safe spot to look at in the entire restroom. Eye contact is just as deadly as dick comparing."

Uber-macho homophobes might be thinking:

"Did that guy just check out my tool? If he so much as looks at me, I'll rearrange his face with a crowbar... <censored epithet regarding homosexuals>"

...So, you can see, it's not one blaket train of thought for all men.

edit to add:

And the once every 58 seconds is about right regarding sexual thoughts, for me anyway. If we assume the average sexual thought takes 58 seconds to complete, you'll get a more complete picture of one layer of my mind. Good thing I've got other layers to get things done with...

I don't use urinals.

 

[Marquis]

At the urinal? it depends somewhat on little things like age group, geographic location (i.e., whether you're in a gay nightclub or not), things like that. In a regular bar, what goes through the average guy's mind is something along the lines of:

"Whew. I was about ready to piss myself. Good thing we don't have those long lines to deal with."

Guys who are paranoid, or less secure might be thinking things like:

"Do not check out other guys' units. There is a spot directly above the urinal. this is the only safe spot to look at in the entire restroom. Eye contact is just as deadly as dick comparing."

Uber-macho homophobes might be thinking:

"Did that guy just check out my tool? If he so much as looks at me, I'll rearrange his face with a crowbar... <censored epithet regarding homosexuals>"

...So, you can see, it's not one blaket train of thought for all men.

edit to add:

And the once every 58 seconds is about right regarding sexual thoughts, for me anyway. If we assume the average sexual thought takes 58 seconds to complete, you'll get a more complete picture of one layer of my mind. Good thing I've got other layers to get things done with...

One bit of urinal behavior I've always found interesting is how men will tend to huddle directly into the urinal, as if to hide their penises from prying eyes. I can't even begin to understand this kind of shame, particularly because the closer you stand to the urinal, the more likely you are to splash piss back on yourself.

Personally, I like to stand a good distance from the urinal when pissing, anyone who wants a peek at my dick is free to have a look. A small price to pay for not pissing on yourself.

 

[Marquis]

I don't use urinals.

That's just about the gayest thing I've ever heard a man say.

Do you sit down when you pee?

 

[Aeroil]

That's just about the gayest thing I've ever heard a man say.

Do you sit down when you pee?

Since I was a kid.

Aeroil is hard to get peeks at.

It's just one part of the enigma wrapped in a shadow stuffed into a doughy blanket to make a delicious appetizer.

Wait, I think I just got my nature mixed up with pigs in a blanket there...

 

[Esclava]

At the urinal?

... <snip> ...So, you can see, it's not one blaket train of thought for all men.

Thank you so much for those tidbits of information. My only real experience is chatting with a man using the urinal next to the toilet I was using in a unisex facility. And, unfortunately, his mind was NOT on discussing a response to my curiosity.

Esclava

 

[Kajira Callista]

One bit of urinal behavior I've always found interesting is how men will tend to huddle directly into the urinal, as if to hide their penises from prying eyes. I can't even begin to understand this kind of shame, particularly because the closer you stand to the urinal, the more likely you are to splash piss back on yourself.

Personally, I like to stand a good distance from the urinal when pissing, anyone who wants a peek at my dick is free to have a look. A small price to pay for not pissing on yourself.

I peed in a urinal once don't ask, im not explaining lol.
And it is true that the closer you stand the more splashback you get.

 

[Shankara20]

I peed in a urinal once don't ask, im not explaining lol.
And it is true that the closer you stand the more splashback you get.

What if I want to know?

 

[Kajira Callista]

What if I want to know?

i dunno *shrugs and giggles then looks away blushing*