For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Rightguide]

Even the Telegraph sees the writing on the wall in Ukraine. Once again, we see Joe Biden being wrong on foreign policy, only this time the results are catastrophic for the people of Ukraine, Nato, and the US.

Ukraine’s counter-offensive is failing, with no easy fixes​

Kyiv complains that it doesn’t have air power, but that is not the real source of its recent struggles
RICHARD KEMP21 July 2023 • 6:35pm

With no significant breakthrough after six weeks, it is worth asking whether Ukraine’s counter-offensive can ever succeed, for it certainly doesn’t look to be succeeding now.

Compare the glacial but costly progress today to the lightning victories at Kharkiv and Kherson last autumn. Back then Kyiv’s forces were advancing against a withdrawing enemy that was pulling back to redeploy troops, trading space for time. Having now built up their forces through mobilisation and dug extensive defence lines, this time the Russians aren’t going anywhere.

That has left Ukraine with one option: launching frontal attacks against heavily defended positions, almost akin to the Western Front in World War I where trench lines ran continuously from Switzerland to the sea, with neither side achieving a decisive breakthrough for four years. Such an outcome today would leave Kyiv vulnerable to shifts in Western opinion, given the possibility of a Trump presidency or European fatigue. This is something President Zelensky must be aware of; and is perhaps causing great consternation.

The question to be asked is: are the Ukrainians prepared – militarily, politically, financially – to carry out months and potentially years of these attacks to penetrate 1914-18 style defensive belts of tank traps, barbed wire, minefields, bunkers and trench lines? The UK Ministry of Defence has described these Russian fortifications as “some of the most extensive systems of military defensive works seen anywhere in the world”.

More here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...nter-offensive-is-failing-with-no-easy-fixes/

 

[Rotadom]

Ukraine has taken back 50% of territory that Russia seized


https://www.reuters.com/world/blink...k-50-territory-that-russia-seized-2023-07-23/

 

[Buffalogurl]

Ukraine has taken back 50% of territory that Russia seized


https://www.reuters.com/world/blink...k-50-territory-that-russia-seized-2023-07-23/

I doubt the ukies have taken back 50% of the territory from the Russians. The ukies have received horrible losses, the Russians are grinding them down. As we correspond here the nazi ukies are going door to door seizing anyone who can fog a mirror to place in combat. Ukraine is a land locked nation (such as it is) hell even the Poles are looking to seize land from the ukies.... in my humble opinion, the best the remaining ukies can do is to tell the Biden crime family to fuck off, hang Zelensky as a war criminal along with his group of thugs, and have a sit down with Putin... Biden and NATO are playing the Ukrainian people. Fucking criminal at the minimum.....

 

[ll74]

I doubt the ukies have taken back 50% of the territory from the Russians. The ukies have received horrible losses, the Russians are grinding them down. As we correspond here the nazi ukies are going door to door seizing anyone who can fog a mirror to place in combat. Ukraine is a land locked nation (such as it is) hell even the Poles are looking to seize land from the ukies.... in my humble opinion, the best the remaining ukies can do is to tell the Biden crime family to fuck off, hang Zelensky as a war criminal along with his group of thugs, and have a sit down with Putin... Biden and NATO are playing the Ukrainian people. Fucking criminal at the minimum.....

Your position is so shocking....who would've thought you'd have that opinion????

 

[Rightguide]

Ukraine has taken back 50% of territory that Russia seized


https://www.reuters.com/world/blink...k-50-territory-that-russia-seized-2023-07-23/

This is totally false. The assertion is being made by Tony Blinkin, who like Biden cannot be trusted t tell the truth about the failures of his department's failures. The interactive map at ISW has been the same for months and show no such Ukrainian gains.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-22-2023

 

[ll74]

This is totally false. The assertion is being made by Tony Blinkin, who like Biden cannot be trusted t tell the truth about the failures of his department's failures. The interactive map at ISW has been the same for months and show no such Ukrainian gains.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-22-2023

Reichy towing the Ruskie line. As per usual.

 

[DeluxAuto]

who like Biden cannot be trusted t tell the truth

Deep State.

DrinK!

 

[Rotadom]

I doubt

Well, that settles it!

 

[Rightguide]

Reichy towing the Ruskie line. As per usual.

Fuck off dipshit. It's just the truth you don't want to hear.

 

[ll74]

Fuck off dipshit. It's just the truth you don't want to hear.

No, it's the one sided bullshit you're getting from Russia. Do you corroborate with RT.com prior to posting?

 

[VinnyVeritas]

The tragedy that is war:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...at-odessa-cathedral-bombed-by-russian-forces/

 

[VinnyVeritas]

I think I see Buddy Holly from my front porch. I sure do hear crickets.

Jason Aldean is now more interesting than Vlad blowing up historic cathedrals?
I thought he appointed himself the guardian of Orthodox Greek Catholicism...

 

[Rightguide]

I think I see Buddy Holly from my front porch. I sure do hear crickets.

Jason Aldean is now more interesting than Vlad blowing up historic cathedrals?
I thought he appointed himself the guardian of Orthodox Greek Catholicism...

Anything to shift public attention away from what our foreign-owned President is doing to bring harm to America.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I do not need to wonder why we are helping Ukraine. An aggressor subjected the Ukrainians to an unprovoked invasion. That is all I need to know.

So you tell me why the US federal government/military etc. don't show the same attitude to Saudi Arabia regarding Yemen, or Israel regarding Palestine? And saying that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was "unprovoked" is so laughable, insulting people's intelligence.

 

[RandyRebecca]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1679927692735463437

If Russia lay down their arms right now and kowtowed, their borders would still be completely surrounded by NATO and it would be a disaster for the Russian establishment domestically, returning to 1990s Yeltsin style chaos. NATO would like Russia broken up into little pieces, like what was done to Yugoslavia. The so-called "journalists" know all this, yet play dumb, thinking that we the viewers are that stupid.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Of course it does. NATO formed in 1949, the Soviet Union applied to join NATO in 1954 and were refused, NATO invites West Germany to join in 1955, the Soviet Union and Eastern European states then form the Warsaw Pact. NATO proved by refusing the Soviet Union and inviting West Germany in that NATO was all about anti-communism and anti-socialism, and about the US controlling Europe. These sort of actions from NATO are always more telling than any words are. And at the time, McCarthyism was poisoning US politics domestically.

None of that demonstrates offense or defense.

Get Putin's cock out of your mouth...Richard wants a turn.

I said not a word about Putin in my post. It was about the period 1949-1955.

Eventually, we will see the truth of what Biden has wrought in Ukraine. All he's done is open the door for the social and economic destruction of Ukraine, recreate the Russian army as a formidable continental force, expose Nato as a paper tiger, and draw down US war stocks to levels that threaten our own security. We'll spend the next decade replacing billions in equipment that Ukraine purchased with a 10 million dollar bribe.

If Ukraine have used the depleted uranium missiles that the British sent them, it will mean a big increase in things like cancers, birth defects, illnesses etc. in that area for generations, like what happened in Iraq. If Ukraine have used the cluster bombs that the US have sent them, then it will mean unexploded bombs that will still be maiming and killing Ukrainians in decades time, like what still happens in Laos and Cambodia today since Nixon and Kissinger went crazy with their foreign policy around 1969-1971 before eventually coming round to a saner position.

 

[ll74]

I said not a word about Putin in my post. It was about the period 1949-1955.

You're pro Russia. That is Putin. Doesn't matter when you're nostalgic for.

 

[RandyRebecca]

You're pro Russia. That is Putin. Doesn't matter when you're nostalgic for.

No. I'm pro-socialist, that means supporting the Soviet Union against capitalist attacks and certainly means opposing someone who criticizes Lenin and the Bolsheviks at every opportunity and supports WW1 (i.e. Putin).

Your post was a deliberate distraction from the points I was raising about 1949-1955, which shows that NATO came into being as an aggressive anti-Russian, and above all an anti-socialist, bloc. They rejected Soviet attempts to join NATO in 1954, and then invited West Germany to join NATO just 10 years after the end of WW2, a war which devastated the infrastructure of countries across the European continent, and where the Soviet Union lost 27 million people (compared to 600,000 for the US and 650,000 for Britain). Only after all this did the Soviet Union and their Eastern European allies then form the Warsaw Pact in 1955, in response to NATO.

You responded to these points by making smears against me regarding Putin. Stick to the points raised. Even RFK Jr. is pointing a lot of them out.

 

[ll74]

No. I'm pro-socialist, that means supporting the Soviet Union against capitalist attacks and certainly means opposing someone who criticizes Lenin and the Bolsheviks at every opportunity and supports WW1 (i.e. Putin).

Your post was a deliberate distraction from the points I was raising about 1949-1955, which shows that NATO came into being as an aggressive anti-Russian, and above all an anti-socialist, bloc. They rejected Soviet attempts to join NATO in 1954, and then invited West Germany to join NATO just 10 years after the end of WW2, a war which devastated the infrastructure of countries across the European continent, and where the Soviet Union lost 27 million people (compared to 600,000 for the US and 650,000 for Britain). Only after all this did the Soviet Union and their Eastern European allies then form the Warsaw Pact in 1955, in response to NATO.

You responded to these points by making smears against me regarding Putin. Stick to the points raised. Even RFK Jr. is pointing a lot of them out.

You're pro Russia.

But keep on pretending you're something else.

NATO was a defensive countermeasure to the results of world war 2

 

[Chernosoth]

I like the thread title. It looks like a Ukrainian could have written it or used software to translate it.

 

[ll74]

I like the thread title. It looks like a Ukrainian could have written it or used software to translate it.

ReichGuard would use a Russian to English translator

 

[Lazaran]

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Russia and their puppets reaaaaaally don’t like those new cluster munitions falling on their heads.

With some accurate intel and targeting, the Russians are soon going to be seriously questioning what the fuck this war was for, and acknowledging that it wasn’t worth it.

If it is true that Ukraine is now striking inside of Russia with drones, then the Russian people will start to know what it feels like to be Ukrainian.

Hopefully that ^ will lead to a Russian withdrawal.



Slava Ukraini!!!





USA!!! USA!!!

 

[jomar]

Eventually, we will see the truth of what Biden has wrought in Ukraine.

True

All he's done is open the door for the social and economic destruction of Ukraine,

How‘s zat? That would happen if Putin was allowed to invade without impunity.

recreate the Russian army as a formidable continental force,

The Russian army has been exposed as a paper tiger. Brutal, but not the indomitable force the world thought it was.

expose Nato as a paper tiger,

NATO is stronger than ever and is adding members.

and draw down US war stocks to levels that threaten our own security. We'll spend the next decade replacing billions in equipment

Let’s call that happy days for your military industrial complex learning how to upgrade and manufacture weapon systems.

that Ukraine purchased with a 10 million dollar bribe.

Ah, that old fake saw.

 

[jomar]

If Russia lay down their arms right now and kowtowed, their borders would still be completely surrounded by NATO

Pretty much.

and it would be a disaster for the Russian establishment domestically, returning to 1990s Yeltsin style chaos.

Why? NATO is a defensive force.

NATO would like Russia broken up into little pieces, like what was done to Yugoslavia.

NATO is a defensive force. It could care less about anything internal. NATO cares about Russian aggression beyond its borders.

The so-called "journalists" know all this, yet play dumb, thinking that we the viewers are that stupid.

Please elaborate.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Pretty much.


Why? NATO is a defensive force.


NATO is a defensive force. It could care less about anything internal. NATO cares about Russian aggression beyond its borders.


Please elaborate.

NATO is NOT defensive. Read my previous post about 1949-1955. I'll say it again:

NATO came into being in 1949 as an aggressive anti-Russian, and above all an anti-socialist, bloc. They rejected Soviet attempts to join NATO in 1954, and then invited West Germany to join NATO just 10 years after the end of WW2, a war which devastated the infrastructure of countries across the European continent, and where the Soviet Union lost 27 million people (compared to 600,000 for the US and 650,000 for Britain). Only after all this did the Soviet Union and their Eastern European allies then form the Warsaw Pact in 1955, in response to NATO.

The above paragraph proves that NATO is emphatically not "defensive".

I honestly wonder if some people actually read the posts! They only seem to be interested in trolling, distraction tactics, culture wars and smears than in serious political debate. If I'm talking about 1949-1955 and how NATO is not defensive, any response of smearing me as a "Putin sympathizer" is a distraction tactic that has nothing to do with the period in question.

Conclusion, NATO is an aggressive anti-Russian and anti-socialist force that aimed at imposing US imperialist hegemony on the continent of Europe, and now beyond when NATO has "partners" like Colombia, Australia, Japan and South Korea. To call NATO "defensive" is basically a laughable joke, as much of a joke as calling the Russian invasion of Ukraine "unprovoked" after Ukrainian forces killed over 13,000 people in the Donbass from 2014-2022 before the invasion while NATO carried out "war games" near Russia's borders during that time. Don't insult my intelligence.

Please elaborate.

It's simple enough. They know that the Russian invasion was NOT "unprovoked", yet they think that the general public that they are talking to are too stupid to see through the lies. The funny thing is, more Democrats fall for this (or deliberately play into it) than Republicans.