For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

I know what Neo is. Who on the "True Right" has been vocally against wars in general. Not Ukraine specifically. We've been at war basically my entire adult life. Surely someone on the Right should have been screaming at Obama for wasting tax dollars and young American live and for what? No oil, no WMDs nothing. Where were they praising Obama for basically ending one of the wars and lowering the other? Why not pressure Trump get us out? Why was it more important that 12 men died than than that Biden ended the war? Where are they? I watch enough fox, spend enough time on Twitter, Facebook and various forums. I follow MGT, Rand Paul, and Bongino. No word on any of this stuff. So where is this so called "True Right?"

Or is it like the True Left where the closest we have are AOC and Bernie. You guys call them commies when both are pro capitalists.
Everyone including me. We were wrong in Vietnam, we were wrong in Iraq, and after six months we were wrong in Afghanistan and proved it twenty years later. That is not to say I wouldn't have supported our troops who had no say in those matters. They did what they were ordered to do and failed when they were ordered to fail.
 
Well here we are in August and we're still waiting for Ukraine's Spring Offensive. Not a single word in the press about alleged Ukrainian routs of Russian forces. Does the Ukrainian Army have anyone left alive as we speak?
 
"The Kremlin and the wider Russian information space" (aka Reichguard) "are intensifying efforts to portray the Ukrainian counteroffensive as a failed effort."

https://www.criticalthreats.org/analysis/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-27-2023
It is while Russia continues to occupy near all the Black Sea coastal areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russi...dia/File:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg

Look at the map above, and if Russia actually occupies the coastal area in the bottom left in the future, then they'll have landlocked Ukraine.

How much more of our money do the Democrats and Republicans intend to waste on such military adventures?
 
It is while Russia continues to occupy near all the Black Sea coastal areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russi...dia/File:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg

Look at the map above, and if Russia actually occupies the coastal area in the bottom left in the future, then they'll have landlocked Ukraine.

How much more of our money do the Democrats and Republicans intend to waste on such military adventures?
They've lost land that was gained previously.

I'm fine with spending money to keep Russians out of Ukraine.
 

The more body bags and gruesomely injured Russian soldiers that go back home to Russia from Ukraine as the result of the recently supplied cluster ammunition, and the more drone strikes that bring the war’s destruction to Russian cities, the more likely it is that more Russian’s will begin to turn on Putin and Shokin, etc.

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Slava Ukraini!!!

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USA!!!

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I'm not. Use that money to wipe out poverty over here. The warmongers are crazy and utterly deluded.
Yes, you've mentioned that multiple times. You want Russia to own Ukraine and gain influence
 

The more body bags and gruesomely injured Russian soldiers that go back home to Russia from Ukraine as the result of the recently supplied cluster ammunition, and the more drone strikes that bring the war’s destruction to Russian cities, the more likely it is that more Russian’s will begin to turn on Putin and Shokin, etc.

👍

Slava Ukraini!!!

🇺🇦

USA!!!

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If Ukraine uses cluster bombs and depleted uranium, they are poisoning their own future for generations to come. Depleted uranium will mean illnesses, cancers, birth defects etc. increasing hugely for decades, while cluster bombs will see unexploded mines on the ground for decades. Such bombs are still killing people in Laos today, over 50 years later.

US forces in Vietnam used Agent Orange and White Phosphorus, and lost the war.
 
Yes, you've mentioned that multiple times. You want Russia to own Ukraine and gain influence
No, I don't. If it were up to me, Ukraine would be an independent sovereign socialist republic, so would Russia and so would the USA.
 
If Ukraine uses cluster bombs and depleted uranium, they are poisoning their own future for generations to come. Depleted uranium will mean illnesses, cancers, birth defects etc. increasing hugely for decades, while cluster bombs will see unexploded mines on the ground for decades. Such bombs are still killing people in Laos today, over 50 years later.

US forces in Vietnam used Agent Orange and White Phosphorus, and lost the war.
When someone writes misinformation such as the bold part above, it's painfully obvious they have no understanding of the subject matter.
Giving they lack the understanding, or perhaps are just too lazy to educate themselves on said topic, perhaps they shouldn't pontificate about it?

Just a polite suggestion.
 
Of course...because you have no basis of reality. None of that will happen, regardless of the outcome in Ukraine.

There is recent news regarding peace:

Saudi Arabia Will Host Talks About Ukraine’s Peace Plan, Diplomats Say

Involved would be Saudis, the US, Brazil, India and China
So you'd prefer to have super rich corporations run our society and exploit us all forever?

China has been disrupting US foreign policy in the Middle East and beyond. They have gotten Saudi Arabia and Iran together with diplomatic relations, have gotten closer still to some Latin American countries like Brazil, are pushing Germany to accept a peace plan in Ukraine. China will achieve something even bigger if they can get their rivals India to agree to join them or at least stay neutral. And now there's things like the coup in Niger.

Ultimately, all these imperialist power games are about billionaire profiteering at the expense of ordinary people, about which sections of the ruling class get to enjoy most of the spoils.
 
If Ukraine uses cluster bombs and depleted uranium, they are poisoning their own future for generations to come. Depleted uranium will mean illnesses, cancers, birth defects etc. increasing hugely for decades, while cluster bombs will see unexploded mines on the ground for decades. Such bombs are still killing people in Laos today, over 50 years later.

US forces in Vietnam used Agent Orange and White Phosphorus, and lost the war.
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Quoted for posterity and stupidity.

One more time:

There. Will. Be. No. Ukraine. In . The. Future. If. Russia. Wins.

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Also:

Russia has a tenuous grip on various regions of Ukraine.

When the tide fully turns in Ukraine, Russian forces will be washed into the Black Sea or driven back into Russia.

Well those that aren’t buried in Ukraine and those that have defected to the west.

👍

Slava Ukraini!!!

🇺🇦

USA!!!

🇺🇸
 
When someone writes misinformation such as the bold part above, it's painfully obvious they have no understanding of the subject matter.
Giving they lack the understanding, or perhaps are just too lazy to educate themselves on said topic, perhaps they shouldn't pontificate about it?

Just a polite suggestion.
Are you denying what depleted uranium does, i.e. causing illnesses, cancers and birth defects in far greater numbers due to dust particles? I suggest you look at Iraq since the 1990s bombings. If Ukraine use those weapons, they are poisoning their own future, and for what?
 
Are you denying what depleted uranium does, i.e. causing illnesses, cancers and birth defects in far greater numbers? I suggest you look at Iraq since the 1990s bombings. If Ukraine use those weapons, they are poisoning their own future, and for what?
I don't know what you are referring to about Iraq, but whatever it is, depleted uranium is not the cause. Depleted uranium is used in air planes ( as one of thousands of examples) , so I guess maybe you should stop flying eh?

Again as I said before, don't pontificate on subject matters your not familiar with.
 
So you'd prefer to have super rich corporations run our society and exploit us all forever?
You're really fixated on the rich.
I don't support full on socialism. I support capitalism with a robust welfare system.

China has been disrupting US foreign policy in the Middle East and beyond. They have gotten Saudi Arabia and Iran together with diplomatic relations, have gotten closer still to some Latin American countries like Brazil, are pushing Germany to accept a peace plan in Ukraine. China will achieve something even bigger if they can get their rivals India to agree to join them or at least stay neutral. And now there's things like the coup in Niger.
China isn't as powerful as they bluster...nor is Russia. Neither has shown a willingness to provide economic stability long-term.

Ultimately, all these imperialist power games are about billionaire profiteering at the expense of ordinary people, about which sections of the ruling class get to enjoy most of the spoils.
Your fixation on rich versus poor clouds your judgement in every topic of discussion. I believe it also hinders.your ability to understand complex topics.
 
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Quoted for posterity and stupidity.

One more time:

There. Will. Be. No. Ukraine. In . The. Future. If. Russia. Wins.

🙄
Russia is not going to occupy the whole of Ukraine now. Any chance of that ended in the early days of the invasion. And why occupy hostile territory anyway? Look at Napoleonic France in Spain during the Peninsular War. Holding down a hostile local population is not fun. Napoleon called it "my Spanish ulcer".

If Russia were to landlock Ukraine by going west of the Dnieper river and taking all the land there, it changes everything in regards to Ukraine's place in geopolitics, i.e. no Black Sea port or coast and the Ukrainian government and the far right neonazi battalions become the EU's problem.

Russia has a tenuous grip on various regions of Ukraine.

When the tide fully turns in Ukraine, Russian forces will be washed into the Black Sea or driven back into Russia.

Well those that aren’t buried in Ukraine and those that have defected to the west.

👍

Slava Ukraini!!!

🇺🇦

USA!!!

🇺🇸
Ukraine is not going to remove Russia from the Black Sea coast. They should have accepted those Minsk Accords years ago, which must look like luxury to Ukraine right now. Under the Minsk Accords in regards to 2013 Ukraine territory, Russia would only control Crimea, and the Donbass territories controlled by the Lugansk and Donetsk Republics. Ukraine, with NATO urging, kept sabotaging and flouting it, for years.
 
I don't know what you are referring to about Iraq, but whatever it is, depleted uranium is not the cause. Depleted uranium is used in air planes ( as one of thousands of examples) , so I guess maybe you should stop flying eh?

Again as I said before, don't pontificate on subject matters your not familiar with.
Depleted uranium missiles explode radioactive dust into the air. Inhalation of the dust causes the illnesses, cancers, birth defects etc. that I mentioned. The British sent depleted uranium weapons to Ukraine over US objections, while the opposite happened with cluster bombs (i.e. the US sent them, with the British objecting), almost like they colluded to send both depleted uranium and cluster bombs while raising token objections for public relations purposes.
 

RussianRandyRebecca explains perfectly why Ukraine cannot and will not cede the Black Sea coast to Russia.

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And that ^ is also why the U.S. and NATO will keep supporting Ukraine with ever more advanced and lethal weapons.

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The Ukrainian’s primary goal, currently, is to advance closer to key Russian supply corridors and bases so they can disrupt the entire Russian effort.

Attacks on the Crimean bridge are another example of the Ukrainians strategy of disrupting Russian supply corridors.

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Russia is NOT invincible.

Far from it.

👍

Slava Ukraini!!!

🇺🇦

USA!!!

🇺🇸
 

RussianRandyRebecca explains perfectly why Ukraine cannot and will not cede the Black Sea coast to Russia.

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And that ^ is also why the U.S. and NATO will keep supporting Ukraine with ever more advanced and lethal weapons.

👍

The Ukrainian’s primary goal, currently, is to advance closer to key Russian supply corridors and bases so they can disrupt the entire Russian effort.

Attacks on the Crimean bridge are another example of the Ukrainians strategy of disrupting Russian supply corridors.

👍

Russia is NOT invincible.

Far from it.

👍

Slava Ukraini!!!

🇺🇦

USA!!!

🇺🇸
The thing that the US has, which allows us to win wars most times is air superiority.

Ukraine doesn't have that....they'll be slugging it out on the ground for a while. Ulraine truly needs to send Russia off, licking their wounds
 
Depleted uranium missiles explode radioactive dust into the air. Inhalation of the dust causes the illnesses, cancers, birth defects etc. that I mentioned. The British sent depleted uranium weapons to Ukraine over US objections, while the opposite happened with cluster bombs (i.e. the US sent them, with the British objecting), almost like they colluded to send both depleted uranium and cluster bombs while raising token objections for public relations purposes.
*chuckles*

You keep on believing that, I'm not gona argue with a fool, who refuses to educate themselves.
 
Yes, let us all educate ourselves by reading opinion pieces instead of using peer reviewed studies. With people like you, it's no wonder the US is in such dire straights of not being able to tell fact from fiction.
And Agent Orange, White Phosphorus, like what was used in Vietnam? Are those harmless too, in your opinion?

How about in North Korea in the early 1950s, when every single building was flattened and 20% of the population killed? Douglas MacArthur still wanted to drop nuclear bombs. Think about that when you wonder why North Koreans are suspicious of Americans.
 
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