For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

NATO being up to its eyes in Ukraine probably means that they can't do much to arm sympathetic forces in Africa after the recent coups over there. The Biden administration has been using Ukrainians like sacrificial pawns on a chess board.
 
NATO righteously supporting Ukraine probably means that they can't do as much to arm sympathetic forces in Africa after the recent Russian motivated / instigated authoritarian coups over there. The Putin regime has been using Ukrainians like sacrificial pawns on a chess board.

“The Niger coup represents another overthrow of democratic governments by army officers who are clearly connected to Russia through arms sales or ties to the Wagner military corporation, which we now know is directly subsidized by Putin and the Russian government.”

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NATO being up to its eyes in Ukraine probably means that they can't do much to arm sympathetic forces in Africa after the recent coups over there. The Biden administration has been using Ukrainians like sacrificial pawns on a chess board.

Ukraine and Ukrainians have agency. They have the ability to decide whether they fight or not. The error is seeing this conflict through the lens of Western, and specifically American politics. Not everything is about the West or America or Biden.

In Afghanistan after the US withdrawal the Afghan army collapsed as it had no will or desire to fight. In Ukraine there is a determination to fight for their homeland. All they ask is for the means to help them do so. At the least give the people dying in service of their country some respect rather than dismissing them as hapless pawns in some US grand plan.

The US cannot make Ukraine fight this war anymore than they could make the Afghan army fight the Taliban.
 
From one of the great strategic minds of our time:

FOREIGN AFFAIRS

Make Peace, You Fools!​

America’s proxy war with Russia has transformed Ukraine into a graveyard.

Douglas Macgregor
Aug 1, 2023 1:00 PM

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/make-peace-you-fools/

Macgregor is a Putin mouthpiece. This is not a proxy war. The Ukrainians will be the ones who decide whether to make peace or not. They are the ones dying in defence of their homeland. You should pay more attention to your Orwell quote.
 
You're way too uninformed on current events and outright ignorant of military issues either in Nato, the US, or Russia, to speak on the subject.

The riposte of someone sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming that they can’t hear you.
 
Macgregor is a Putin mouthpiece. This is not a proxy war. The Ukrainians will be the ones who decide whether to make peace or not. They are the ones dying in defence of their homeland. You should pay more attention to your Orwell quote.
Tell us all about who and what Macgregor is, you idiot;

Macgregor was the "squadron operations officer who essentially directed the Battle of 73 Easting" during the Gulf War.[3] Facing an Iraqi Republican Guard opponent, he led a contingent of 19 tanks, 26 Bradley Fighting Vehicles and four M1064 mortar carriers through the sandstorm to the 73 Easting on February 26, 1991, and in a 23-minute battle destroyed almost 70 Iraqi armored vehicles with no U.S. casualties. He was at the front center of the formation with Eagle Troop on the right and Ghost Troop on the left. Macgregor designated Eagle Troop the main attack and positioned himself to its left. Eagle Troop Scouts subsequently followed Macgregor's tank through a minefield during which his crew destroyed two enemy tanks. As Macgregor was firing from the front line, he didn't "request artillery support or report events to superiors until the battle was virtually over, according to one of his superior officers", taking risks which "could have been criticized had the fight turned ugly".[3]

At a November 1993 exercise at the Army's National Training Center (NTC) at Fort Irwin, Lt. Col. Macgregor's unit vastly outperformed its peers against the "Opposition Force (OPFOR)". The series of five battles usually end in four losses and a draw for the visiting units; his unit won three, lost one, and drew one. Macgregor's unit dispersed widely, took unconventional risks, and anticipated enemy movements.[3]

Macgregor was "one of the Army's leading thinkers on innovation", according to journalist Thomas E. Ricks. He "became prominent inside the Army" when his book Breaking the Phalanx was published in 1997, arguing for radical reforms.[5] Breaking the Phalanx was rare in that an active duty military author was challenging the status quo with detailed reform proposals for the reorganization of U.S. Army ground forces.[10] The head of the Army, United States General Dennis Reimer, passed out copies of the book, but its reforms failed to win the support of the general officer corps.[11] It advocated that "the Army restructure itself into modularly organized, highly mobile, self-contained, combined arms teams that look extraordinarily like the Marine Corps' Air Ground Task Forces".[12] His article "Thoughts on Force Design in an Era of Shrinking Defense Budgets" was published in the Israeli Dado Center Journal.

Many of Macgregor's colleagues thought his unconventional thinking may have harmed his chances for promotion. While an Army NTC official called him "the best war fighter the Army has got," colleagues of Macgregor were concerned that "the Army is showing it prefers generals who are good at bureaucratic gamesmanship to ones who can think innovatively on the battlefield," and some saw him as too blunt or arrogant. Despite his top post-Gulf War NTC showing, his Army career was sidelined. The summer of 1997 marked the third time the Army refused to put him in command of a combat brigade,[3] "a virtual death warrant for his Army career, relegating him to staff jobs as a colonel for the remainder of his service".[4]

Macgregor was the top planner for General Wesley Clark, the military commander of NATO, for its 1999 intervention in Yugoslavia.[4]

In the fall of 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who had read Breaking the Phalanx, insisted that General Tommy Franks and his planning staff meet with Colonel Macgregor on January 16–17, 2002 to discuss a concept for intervention in Iraq involving the use of an armored heavy force of roughly 50,000 troops in a no warning attack straight into Baghdad.[13]

Macgregor left the Army in June 2004.[14]

You aren't qualified to comment on the integrity or patriotism of such men.
 
Well, also from Macgregor's Wikipedia page:

In 2014, Macgregor went on Russian state-owned RT and criticized U.S. intervention in the Kosovo War in the late 1990s.[7] He described the results of US intervention in Kosovo as to "put, essentially, a Muslim drug mafia in charge of that country".[6]

In 2014, after the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation and during a conflict with Ukraine over its eastern parts, Macgregor appeared on Russian state-owned network RT where he called for annexation of Donbas and said residents of the region "are in fact Russians, not Ukrainians, and at the same time, you have Ukrainians in the west and in the north, who are not Russians".[7][54]

After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Macgregor appeared on three Fox News programs in February and early March to speak in support of Russia's actions. Three days after the war began, he said "The battle in eastern Ukraine is really almost over," and predicted "If [Ukraine] don't surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them." Macgregor said he believed Russia should be allowed to seize whatever parts of Ukraine it wanted. In his second appearance, he revised his prediction: "The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over... I think the most heroic thing he could do right now is come to terms with reality. Neutralize Ukraine." After one of his appearances, Macgregor's comments were characterized by veteran Fox News Pentagon correspondent Jennifer Griffin as "distorting" and "appeasement" and that he was being an "apologist" for Putin. After Griffin's remarks, Tucker Carlson — who hosted Macgregor on two successive nights — remarked, "Unlike many of the so-called reporters you see on television, he is not acting secretly as a flack for Lloyd Austin at the Pentagon. No, Doug Macgregor is an honest man." Trey Gowdy, another Fox News host who interviewed Macgregor, said his viewpoint was "stunning and disappointing".[8][55][56][57][9][58]

He regularly contributes to Fox News and has appeared on the Russian state-funded channel RT.[7] His commentary has been noted for disparaging Ukraine, immigrants and refugees.[8][9][7]

Given his Pro-Russian bias, I'm not sure how much I could trust any statement he makes about the Ukrainian conflict.
It isn't pro-Russian bias when you're simply reporting the facts unless you like being propagandized. He has lived in Europe and has contacts in the intel community and in Europe. Our problem here is much of the information about the war is controlled. The WaPo and the NYTs are prime examples of outlets that support CIA and government messaging. But even they are beginning to question their government sources. See post #455 and read the two links. You can see the coming narrative about the failure in Ukraine starting to take shape.
 
It isn't pro-Russian bias when you're simply reporting the facts unless you like being propagandized. He has lived in Europe and has contacts in the intel community and in Europe. Our problem here is much of the information about the war is controlled. The WaPo and the NYTs are prime examples of outlets that support CIA and government messaging. But even they are beginning to question their government sources. See post #455 and read the two links. You can see the coming narrative about the failure in Ukraine starting to take shape.
You've been saying the same exact thing for over a year. Nothing has changed in your narrative or your boy MacGregor's narrative.
 
Comrade RG Vetteman is just a Russian store spreading disinformation.
The little man pretending to be a big Indian tells lies and projects misinformation because he is a small and sackless man.
 
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It tells us a lot about what they think of defending their country. They are but a few of the 14 million or so that have left Ukraine never to return.
You are so full of shit.

Do you get paid when Putin's cock is in your mouth or do you just do it out of admiration of his masculinity?
 
It tells us a lot about what they think of defending their country. They are but a few of the 14 million or so that have left Ukraine and probably never to return.
That is hitting below the belt here, it's not like they have much of a choice. Would you abandon your family and race for the front lines?
 
That is hitting below the belt here, it's not like they have much of a choice. Would you abandon your family and race for the front lines?
There is no question. If a foreign power invaded the US I would fight for my country. It's all we have, the bones of our fathers are in the dirt. It belongs to us until somebody puts our bones in the dirt and takes it all away.
 
There is no question. If a foreign power invaded the US I would fight for my country. It's all we have, the bones of our fathers are in the dirt. It belongs to us until somebody puts our bones in the dirt and takes it all away.
Well, as it happens there are thousands of illegal immigrants crossing the southern border. Would you say that this is an invasion or do you support these people who are migrating?
 
There is no question. If a foreign power invaded the US I would fight for my country. It's all we have, the bones of our fathers are in the dirt. It belongs to us until somebody puts our bones in the dirt and takes it all away.
Awesome for you.
 
Well, as it happens there are thousands of illegal immigrants crossing the southern border. Would you say that this is an invasion or do you support these people who are migrating?
It is an invasion, it ought to be repelled and ultimately it will be repelled by the people of Texas if the President does not act. It is not an armed invasion however, a bit different than the situation in Ukraine, but if you want my opinion they ought to be opposed by deadly force if need be, after all, the event is being managed from Mexico by a criminal organization. They are forcing their way into the country illegally and bringing great harm to the people of the United States. Joe Biden should be impeached and prosecuted for letting this happen.
 
You've been opposing all efforts by the international community to help Ukraine defend itself.
This is where people are going wrong. There was a coup in Ukraine in 2014, where the democratically elected government was overthrown. Two of the biggest parties in the country were later outlawed, including the the pre-coup ruling party the Party of Regions. That is what destroyed democracy in Ukraine. The Euromaidan regime was to assist US imperialism's designs against Russia for continued global hegemony. The ultimate aim is to balkanize Russia and cause splits in China.
 
You've been opposing all efforts by the international community to help Ukraine defend itself.
So what does that have to do with whether or not Ukraine is Ukrainian? My opposition stems from the fact that what happens in Ukraine is not a national security threat to the United States. It is a matter for Europeans to settle. Ukraine should be neutral and Nato should get the hell out of Ukraine unless we want a ground war with Russia that could turn into a nuclear disaster for everyone. what do you think we would do if the Russian and the Chinese military decided that building a military presence in Mexico was a good idea?
 
This is where people are going wrong. There was a coup in Ukraine in 2014, where the democratically elected government was overthrown. Two of the biggest parties in the country were later outlawed, including the the pre-coup ruling party the Party of Regions. That is what destroyed democracy in Ukraine. The Euromaidan regime was to assist US imperialism's designs against Russia for continued global hegemony. The ultimate aim is to balkanize Russia and cause splits in China.
And the fact that Ukraine at the time was discriminating against its Russian-speaking citizens in the Donbass and had killed some 14,000 of them prior to the Russian invasion.
 
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