For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ll74]

Moscow ready to strike French military trainers in Ukraine​

“No instructor involved in training the Ukrainian military has immunity,” the Kremlin says.
JUNE 4, 2024 2:58 PM CET
BY VICTOR GOURY-LAFFONT

Last week, Ukraine’s top commander Oleksandr Syrskyi said French trainers would come to Ukraine “soon,” a statement which was downplayed at the time both in Paris and Kyiv.

French President Emmanuel Macron — who will meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy this week during the 80th anniversary of the D-Day landings in France — could soon announce a small coalition of countries willing to send trainers on the ground in Ukraine, Le Monde reported.

“There is no consensus today on officially sending, taking on and endorsing ground troops. But in a dynamic situation, nothing should be ruled out,” Macron said in February.

Russia’s Vladimir Putin said last week there were already “specialists [in Ukraine] under the guise of mercenaries.” State news agency TASS meanwhile quoted Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova as saying that Moscow had “confirmation ... coming in on reports that France is preparing to send its troops to Ukraine,” in reference to trainers.

https://www.politico.eu/article/moscow-ready-to-strike-french-military-trainers-in-ukraine/

Interesting, Putin's use if the term "mercenaries," as such they have little protection under the law of war.

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NATO may draw up plans to get US troops to frontline amid WW3 fears​

NATO may draw up plans to get US troops to frontline amid WW3 fears©Provided by Daily Mail

In the event the route through central Europe becomes compromised, allied troops would be able to move through Italy into Slovenia and the Balkans, bypassing the Alps and Switzerland. The aim of the plans would be to ensure armies could rush through Europe without delays caused by local regulations and checkpoints - as the French government observed difficulty moving tanks through borders en route to Romania. Greece and Turkey - also both NATO members - could also provide routes through to Romania and towards the southern coast of Ukraine under the plans. And a fifth route through Norway and Sweden into Finland could allow troops to reach the Russian border in the north since Finland's accession to the bloc in April last year. NATO leaders agreed last year to prepare 300,000 troops to be kept in a state of high readiness to defend the bloc in case of an attack on a member state - just under half the force Napoleon sent to Russia in his disastrous 1812 campaign.

More here: https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/othe...-frontline-amid-ww3-fears/ss-BB1nC6TS#image=3

But no chance of WWIII, right?

I never said there was no chance, dipshit

 

[Rightguide]

I never said there was no chance, dipshit

You said, "We aren't close to world war 3". We are close to WWIII. Updated contingency planning is already taking place.

 

[ll74]

You said, "We aren't close to world war 3". We are close to WWIII. Updated contingency planning is already taking place.

Yes, I said that I never said there was no chance.

We are closer to world war 3 because Putin invaded Ukraine and is threatening those who support Ukraine in their defense against the invaders with world war 3.

If Putin has not invaded Ukraine, then the risk of a world war would be lower.

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, I said that I never said there was no chance.

We are close to world war 3 because Putin invaded Ukraine and is threatening those who support Ukraine in their defense against the invaders with world war 3.

Putin has in his mind a national security interest in keeping NATO off his southern border. We have no such national interest. Ask the Europeans or the American people if they want to give up a city or two for Ukraine. Report back.

 

[ll74]

Putin has in his mind a national security interest in keeping NATO off his southern border. We have no such national interest. Ask the Europeans or the American people if they want to give up a city or two for Ukraine. Report back.

Yes, he is the only leader who has threatened to escalate his war and expand it.

And no matter what bullshit you give, our interests align with our allies in Europe economically and strategically. That's why they are our allies. We do not have those interests with the autocratic dictator from Russia.

 

[Lazaran]

Putin has in his mind a national security interest in keeping NATO off his southern border. We have no such national interest. Ask the Europeans or the American people if they want to give up a city or two for Ukraine. Report back.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cd11rej2qy8o



Russiaguide



Also:

Russiaguide is a coward and a traitor.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

But no chance of WWIII, right?

Nope, because Putin knows that is the end of him.

Russia can't even beat the Ukrainian army. The army you have stated is no match, yet here we are almost 2 and half years later, and guess what? Russia still hasn't won....no fucking way Putin wants to get in a real shooting match with NATO.

 

[Buffalogurl]

Putin has in his mind a national security interest in keeping NATO off his southern border. We have no such national interest. Ask the Europeans or the American people if they want to give up a city or two for Ukraine. Report back.

Rightguide, it's my understanding that president Putin has moved (I believe) 6 war ships and a nuclear missile equipped submarine just off the coast of Cuba also Putin has stated he is arming our adversaries in South America. FYI the Iranians have personal in South America as well with what some high ranking us officials believe to have i.c.b.m.'s in addition to this it's believed the Iranians are training current and future insurgents add to this the estimated half million Chinese soldiers that are here because of the current crime family's open borders policies.........
We are at world War 3... like a frog in water, start with room temperature water then slowly turn up the heat you will be able to boil the frog alive without any problems.......We've been sold out to the Chinese by the current crime family in power.......
fuzzy, we in the United States fought the Vietcong and the n.v.a. how well did that fucking disaster work out for us or for that matter Afghanistan.......

 

[ll74]

Rightguide, it's my understanding that president Putin has moved (I believe) 6 war ships and a nuclear missile equipped submarine just off the coast of Cuba also Putin has stated he is arming our adversaries in South America. FYI the Iranians have personal in South America as well with what some high ranking us officials believe to have i.c.b.m.'s in addition to this it's believed the Iranians are training current and future insurgents add to this the estimated half million Chinese soldiers that are here because of the current crime family's open borders policies.........
We are at world War 3... like a frog in water, start with room temperature water then slowly turn up the heat you will be able to boil the frog alive without any problems.......We've been sold out to the Chinese by the current crime family in power.......
fuzzy, we in the United States fought the Vietcong and the n.v.a. how well did that fucking disaster work out for us or for that matter Afghanistan.......

"It is my understanding"

Based on what sources? Be specific. Have you corroborated that with other unrelated sources?

 

[Rightguide]

Rightguide, it's my understanding that president Putin has moved (I believe) 6 war ships and a nuclear missile equipped submarine just off the coast of Cuba also Putin has stated he is arming our adversaries in South America. FYI the Iranians have personal in South America as well with what some high ranking us officials believe to have i.c.b.m.'s in addition to this it's believed the Iranians are training current and future insurgents add to this the estimated half million Chinese soldiers that are here because of the current crime family's open borders policies.........
We are at world War 3... like a frog in water, start with room temperature water then slowly turn up the heat you will be able to boil the frog alive without any problems.......We've been sold out to the Chinese by the current crime family in power.......
fuzzy, we in the United States fought the Vietcong and the n.v.a. how well did that fucking disaster work out for us or for that matter Afghanistan.......

I'm not sure about those specifics, they may be true but I did see him say a day or so ago that he would consider arming our adversaries in retaliation for our arming of Ukraine with weapons to be used on Russian soil. This could be a plausible explanation of how we've lost four MQ-9 Reaper Drones at 30 million apiece to the Houthis in the last several months:

https://theaviationist.com/2024/05/18/fourth-mq-9-reaper-lost-to-houthi/

He could start providing drone support and other arms to the Mexican Cartels along our southern border as well. At this point in time we are very vulnerable.

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[Rightguide]

Yes, he is the only leader who has threatened to escalate his war and expand it.

And no matter what bullshit you give, our interests align with our allies in Europe economically and strategically. That's why they are our allies. We do not have those interests with the autocratic dictator from Russia.

Our security interests do not align with those of Ukraine we have no security treaty with Ukraine. There is a worldwide security interest that both Russia and the United States refrain from war with each other. Joe Biden and some of his people are losing sight of that fact.

 

[ll74]

Our security interests do not align with those of Ukraine we have no security treaty with Ukraine.

We have an alliance with Ukraine. We have alliances with Europe. Both are essential to our security interests.

There is a worldwide security interest that both Russia and the United States refrain from war with each other. Joe Biden and some of his people are losing sight of that fact.

Yes, which is why Putin should not escalate his rhetoric or action and should resolve his dispute with Ukraine diplomatically. Biden can assist when he does.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

fuzzy, we in the United States fought the Vietcong and the n.v.a. how well did that fucking disaster work out for us or for that matter Afghanistan.......

So you agree Putin's made a huge mistake....how insightful of you.

 

[Rightguide]

We have an alliance with Ukraine. We have alliances with Europe. Both are essential to our security interests.


Yes, which is why Putin should not escalate his rhetoric or action and should resolve his dispute with Ukraine diplomatically. Biden can assist when he does.

Yet we facilitate attacks on his soil. The weapons being used our ours, the data uplinks that guide these weapons are ours, and the overhead ISR that targets and surveils the Russians are ours. If the situation were to be reversed how long do you think it would take us to target these systems? I hate to say it but it does look like the Russians are exhibiting great restraint.

 

[ll74]

Yet we facilitate attacks on his soil.

We provide weapons to Ukraine to defend against their invaders.

The weapons being used our ours, the data uplinks that guide these weapons are ours, and the overhead ISR that targets and surveils the Russians are ours. If the situation were to be reversed how long do you think it would take us to target these systems? I hate to say it but it does look like the Russians are exhibiting great restraint.

Yes, we provide allies with information to assist in their defense of the Russian invaders.

Russia invaded Ukraine. That is not restraint....that is escalation. Restraint is not invading foreign countries.

 

[Rightguide]

We provide weapons to Ukraine to defend against their invaders.


Yes, we provide allies with information to assist in their defense of the Russian invaders.

Russia invaded Ukraine. That is not restraint....that is escalation. Restraint is not invading foreign countries.

No, we are providing warheads that are being used to kill Russians and Russian infrastructure on Russian soil. Let's be clear about it.

 

[ll74]

No, we are providing warheads that are being used to kill Russians and Russian infrastructure on Russian soil. Let's be clear about it.

We are providing weapons to defend against Russian invaders. That includes the ability to take out offensive weapons being used for that invasion, some of which are located in Russia.

Being clear means being succinct.

Russia can avoid further Russian deaths by ceasing their pointless invasion and providing assurances to Ukraine not to pursue further attacks against the sovereign nation

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No, we are providing warheads that are being used to kill Russians and Russian infrastructure on Russian soil. Let's be clear about it.

About fucking time too!! Russians are on Ukraine soil killing Ukrainians. Lets be clear about that.

 

[Rightguide]

We are providing weapons to defend against Russian invaders. That includes the ability to take out offensive weapons being used for that invasion, some of which are located in Russia.

Being clear means being succinct.

Russia can avoid further Russian deaths by ceasing their pointless invasion and providing assurances to Ukraine not to pursue further attacks against the sovereign nation

The Russians could just surrender as well, right?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The Russians could just surrender as well, right?

Maybe pass that on to Putin. It's a valid option and would end the war. Ukraine has no desire for Russian territory.

 

[ll74]

The Russians could just surrender as well, right?

They could cease hostilities and negotiate peace. Since they started it, there is no reason they couldn't stop it as well.

That isn't surrendering.... It is simply deciding that their land grab was sufficient for national interests.

 

[Rightguide]

They could cease hostilities and negotiate peace. Since they started it, there is no reason they couldn't stop it as well.

That isn't surrendering.... It is simply deciding that their land grab was sufficient for national interests.

The point is there cannot be a Nato force on his border if there is to be peace. And BTW it looks like Joe Biden is realizing this:

Biden casts doubt on Ukraine’s fondest wish: Eventual NATO membership​

ByJamie McIntyre
https://www.facebook.com/sharer.php...raines-fondest-wish-eventual-nato-membership/
June 6, 2024 7:04 am
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BIDEN: ‘NOT PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE NATO-IZATION OF UKRAINE’: In an interview with Time magazine this week, President Joe Biden expressed doubts about whether Ukraine needs to join NATO in order to bring lasting peace and stability to the war-torn nation, suggesting instead that NATO should continuing supporting Ukraine so it can defend itself.

“Peace looks like making sure Russia never, never, never, never occupies Ukraine. That’s what peace looks like,” Biden told Time in an Oval Office interview published Tuesday. “It doesn’t mean … they are part of NATO. It means we have a relationship with them like we do with other countries, where we supply weapons so they can defend themselves in the future.”

Biden cited Ukraine’s long history of political corruption as one factor weighing against NATO membership but stressed abandoning Ukraine in its fight against Russian aggression would risk grave consequences. “The point is, though, that if we ever let Ukraine go down, mark my words: You’ll see Poland go, and you’ll see all those nations along the actual border of Russia, from the Balkans and Belarus, all those, they’re going to make their own accommodations.”

“I am not prepared to support the NATO-ization of Ukraine,” he said.
ZELENSKY: NATO INVITATION WOULD STRENGTHEN HIS HAND: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met with Biden on the sidelines of the Shangri-La Dialogue defense forum in Singapore last weekend to press the case again for Ukraine to receive an invitation to join the alliance when the 32 leaders of NATO gather for a summit in Washington next month.

More here: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...raines-fondest-wish-eventual-nato-membership/

Ukraine needs to accept neutrality.

 

[ll74]

The point is there cannot be a Nato force on his border if there is to be peace. And BTW it looks like Joe Biden is realizing this:

Biden casts doubt on Ukraine’s fondest wish: Eventual NATO membership​

ByJamie McIntyre
https://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-on-defense/3030159/biden-casts-doubt-on-ukraines-fondest-wish-eventual-nato-membership/
June 6, 2024 7:04 am
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BIDEN: ‘NOT PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE NATO-IZATION OF UKRAINE’: In an interview with Time magazine this week, President Joe Biden expressed doubts about whether Ukraine needs to join NATO in order to bring lasting peace and stability to the war-torn nation, suggesting instead that NATO should continuing supporting Ukraine so it can defend itself.

“Peace looks like making sure Russia never, never, never, never occupies Ukraine. That’s what peace looks like,” Biden told Time in an Oval Office interview published Tuesday. “It doesn’t mean … they are part of NATO. It means we have a relationship with them like we do with other countries, where we supply weapons so they can defend themselves in the future.”

Biden cited Ukraine’s long history of political corruption as one factor weighing against NATO membership but stressed abandoning Ukraine in its fight against Russian aggression would risk grave consequences. “The point is, though, that if we ever let Ukraine go down, mark my words: You’ll see Poland go, and you’ll see all those nations along the actual border of Russia, from the Balkans and Belarus, all those, they’re going to make their own accommodations.”

“I am not prepared to support the NATO-ization of Ukraine,” he said.
ZELENSKY: NATO INVITATION WOULD STRENGTHEN HIS HAND: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met with Biden on the sidelines of the Shangri-La Dialogue defense forum in Singapore last weekend to press the case again for Ukraine to receive an invitation to join the alliance when the 32 leaders of NATO gather for a summit in Washington next month.

More here: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...raines-fondest-wish-eventual-nato-membership/

Ukraine needs to accept neutrality.

You already confirmed to me directly that NATO is already on their border regardless of Ukraine being a part of it

Ukraine had previously said they weren't joining NATO and Russia invaded anyway. I told Russia guarantees no more hostility, Ukraine shouldn't do a damn thing.

 

[Rightguide]

Rightguide, it's my understanding that president Putin has moved (I believe) 6 war ships and a nuclear missile equipped submarine just off the coast of Cuba also Putin has stated he is arming our adversaries in South America. FYI the Iranians have personal in South America as well with what some high ranking us officials believe to have i.c.b.m.'s in addition to this it's believed the Iranians are training current and future insurgents add to this the estimated half million Chinese soldiers that are here because of the current crime family's open borders policies.........
We are at world War 3... like a frog in water, start with room temperature water then slowly turn up the heat you will be able to boil the frog alive without any problems.......We've been sold out to the Chinese by the current crime family in power.......
fuzzy, we in the United States fought the Vietcong and the n.v.a. how well did that fucking disaster work out for us or for that matter Afghanistan.......

Putin Says He Might Arm West's Enemies to Punish Backing Ukraine​

Thursday, 06 June 2024 07:20 AM EDT


The Kremlin said Thursday that Western nations which supply Ukraine with weapons to directly strike Russian territory will definitely face consequences after President Vladimir Putin said he was considering arming the West's enemies in retaliation.

Speaking with senior editors of international news agencies in St Petersburg on Wednesday, the Russian leader said Moscow was thinking about supplying advanced long-range weapons – of a similar nature to those the West is giving Ukraine – to the West's adversaries around the world.
Putin in his comments mentioned long-range missiles being supplied to Ukraine by the United States and Britain, hinting he might move to arm forces fighting their overseas interests.

"We are thinking that if someone thinks it is possible to supply such weapons to a war zone in order to strike at our territory and create problems for us, then why do we not have the right to supply our weapons of the same class to those regions of the world where there will be strikes on sensitive facilities of those countries that are doing this to Russia?" Putin said.

More here: https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/vladimir-putin-russia-war/2024/06/06/id/1167672/

Possibly the dumbest thing Ukraine could have done is to strike Russia's early warning nuclear strike radar. That could have led to Russia thinking that we were attempting to blind their ability to detect a nuclear strike over the region covered by that radar and have sparked a nuclear response.

 

[ll74]

Putin Says He Might Arm West's Enemies to Punish Backing Ukraine​

Thursday, 06 June 2024 07:20 AM EDT


The Kremlin said Thursday that Western nations which supply Ukraine with weapons to directly strike Russian territory will definitely face consequences after President Vladimir Putin said he was considering arming the West's enemies in retaliation.

Speaking with senior editors of international news agencies in St Petersburg on Wednesday, the Russian leader said Moscow was thinking about supplying advanced long-range weapons – of a similar nature to those the West is giving Ukraine – to the West's adversaries around the world.
Putin in his comments mentioned long-range missiles being supplied to Ukraine by the United States and Britain, hinting he might move to arm forces fighting their overseas interests.

"We are thinking that if someone thinks it is possible to supply such weapons to a war zone in order to strike at our territory and create problems for us, then why do we not have the right to supply our weapons of the same class to those regions of the world where there will be strikes on sensitive facilities of those countries that are doing this to Russia?" Putin said.

More here: https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/vladimir-putin-russia-war/2024/06/06/id/1167672/

Possibly the dumbest thing Ukraine could have done is to strike Russia's early warning nuclear strike radar. That could have led to Russia thinking that we were attempting to blind their ability to detect a nuclear strike over the region covered by that radar and have sparked a nuclear response.

Why is Ukraine an enemy of Russia?