Gamers?

[Annisthyrienne]

The bolded area is one I totally get.

I spend so much time, crafting my characters for stories, for role plays. There is no way I would be able to EVER write more than one major character in a game.

It's why I never GM'ed.

(Hell I still play a Toreodor from the original V:tM and I have had her for close to 15 years. I know her, inside and out. Same with my Gangrel. The idea of getting that in depth with another character terrifies me. And hell my Malkavian is about 8 years old.

Don't even ask me about my half Wood elf ranger from 1995...her name is Mistrielle...and I still play her for 2nd Edition D and D games, dammit!!)

It's almost as if we imbue our characters with at least one aspect of our own personality. Annisthryienne is me, in large part. She is like the distilled and concentrated parts of me that are the good in my nature. As such, she comes across as perhaps too good, too altruistic sometimes. But some of the other characters I played were also aspects of my personality too. Brennisen, for example, had the naive innocence of youth, but at the same time, she was more aggressive when she finally developed a relationship with the dark elf Maura Jade. Brennisen would be my toppish side, definitely.

I have played vampires, werewolves, daemons, and ghosts in a game called NightLife. It was a small press game system put out about the same time as Vampire the Masquerade but by a small company in Ohio called Stellar Games. That one was pretty fun.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

It's almost as if we imbue our characters with at least one aspect of our own personality. Annisthryienne is me, in large part. She is like the distilled and concentrated parts of me that are the good in my nature. As such, she comes across as perhaps too good, too altruistic sometimes. But some of the other characters I played were also aspects of my personality too. Brennisen, for example, had the naive innocence of youth, but at the same time, she was more aggressive when she finally developed a relationship with the dark elf Maura Jade. Brennisen would be my toppish side, definitely.

I have played vampires, werewolves, daemons, and ghosts in a game called NightLife. It was a small press game system put out about the same time as Vampire the Masquerade but by a small company in Ohio called Stellar Games. That one was pretty fun.

Most of my vampire characters are usually the bits of me I find repulsive...therefore they are manipulative, exceedingly seductive, liars. (Cept for my Gangrel since SHE is the closest I can get to being Werewolf in a Vamp game). However~ acting them out for LARP's or even playing them at the table~ gives me an odd sort of balance. I can allow those characters to do things I never would...because they are the antithesis to the way I see myself.

Misti is me~only innocent, virginal, and VERY, VERY judgmental in a way I would never allow myself to be. Even all these years later, I have never allowed myself to be put in a position where those three attributes would be changed. Not that I play her safe (as I don't) but that I play her well. (My DM has been trying to kill her for about 6 years...heh)

I get attached to these bits and pieces of myself~the dark and the light. There would be no way for me to bring that kind of intensity to a story that required me to play more than one role.

Sad but true.

 

[zydrate]

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[The_Spectre]

OK, this is a general question, please don't bash the question or such, I just want some direction

Minecraft.

What is it exactly?

My 6 year old wants it, what are your recommendations?

More or less, 3D legos.

 

[Cheska]

More or less, 3D legos.

Best answer ever.
In fact, Lego, in agreement with Mojang.. the people who created Minecraft, released a Minecraft set of Lego's.

Here are some good Youtube teachers of Minecraft.

Paul Suar jr. Paul is a very family friendly guy who does a "Let's Play." which shows things you can do in MC, he even plays with his wife and kids.

 

[SinfulLittleOne]

Best answer ever.
In fact, Lego, in agreement with Mojang.. the people who created Minecraft, released a Minecraft set of Lego's.

Here are some good Youtube teachers of Minecraft.

Paul Suar jr. Paul is a very family friendly guy who does a "Let's Play." which shows things you can do in MC, he even plays with his wife and kids.

Ahhh, nice! Thanks all

He wants it downloaded NOW but I told him I would think about it...

 

[The_Spectre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sglKS-HfZMw

If anyone is interested in the rise of RPGs (and JRPGs) and has a some time on their hands there you go.

 

[Cheska]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sglKS-HfZMw

If anyone is interested in the rise of RPGs (and JRPGs) and has a some time on their hands there you go.

No offence, but Video games are not really RPG's.
You have a set story.
You have set characters you can play.
and you have a set out come.

A real RPG has a story, the players may follow it or go off on a tangent, a good GM can handle this.
You can have any character you want to play within the game world and tailor it to suit your taste.
And, should you get to the end.. lord knows what will happen.

 

[Annisthyrienne]

Well said, Cheska.

 

[Nina327]

Best answer ever.
In fact, Lego, in agreement with Mojang.. the people who created Minecraft, released a Minecraft set of Lego's.

Here are some good Youtube teachers of Minecraft.

Paul Suar jr. Paul is a very family friendly guy who does a "Let's Play." which shows things you can do in MC, he even plays with his wife and kids.

Thanks for this. I hate having to watch endless youtube strings of MC content just to find the ones I care to let my kids watch.

 

[The_Spectre]

No offence, but Video games are not really RPG's.
You have a set story.
You have set characters you can play.
and you have a set out come.

A real RPG has a story, the players may follow it or go off on a tangent, a good GM can handle this.
You can have any character you want to play within the game world and tailor it to suit your taste.
And, should you get to the end.. lord knows what will happen.

Wow, forgive me if I feel that comes off a bit snobbish. And that last part just described The Elder Scrolls to tee. The first things you you in Arena and Dagger is fill out your character sheet and roll for your attributes. Hell, each attack you do is decided via invisible dice rolls. Yeah there's a story but you're also aloud to wander off and joins various factions and religions as well as complete various quest for them in a world that's the size of Great Britain. This game was inspired by D&D, created by people who loved the game and wanted to create a software version of it. I'm so sick of the whole "Oh sure let the computer decide the outcome" because it's not like the game was penned, developed and programmed by a person. Obviously I'm alone on this, so I'm sorry that I didn't play Dungeons and Dragons growing up seeing as it wasn't readily available over here leaving me stuck with what I thought were RPGs. I guess "Gamers" just refers to tabletop games.

 

[marauder13]

Wow, forgive me if I feel that comes off a bit snobbish. And that last part just described The Elder Scrolls to tee. The first things you you in Arena and Dagger is fill out your character sheet and roll for your attributes. Hell, each attack you do is decided via invisible dice rolls. Yeah there's a story but you're also aloud to wander off and joins various factions and religions as well as complete various quest for them in a world that's the size of Great Britain. This game was inspired by D&D, created by people who loved the game and wanted to create a software version of it. I'm so sick of the whole "Oh sure let the computer decide the outcome" because it's not like the game was penned, developed and programmed by a person. Obviously I'm alone on this, so I'm sorry that I didn't play Dungeons and Dragons growing up seeing as it wasn't readily available over here leaving me stuck with what I thought were RPGs. I guess "Gamers" just refers to tabletop games.

Spectre, for me the biggest and most critical difference between them is that a programmed RPG will always impose limits on what you can do plot wise, where in a table top or similar game, that limitation isn't there. In a computer based RPG, you can't really set off on your own generated plotline, you can only go on ones that have been supplied for you.

I will admit to being a purist, even an elitist snob regarding RPGs, but to me, Gamers covers people who play RPGs (computer & pen and paper), console games, computer games and table top warfare. So, as far as I am concerned, "Gamers" isn't limited to Table top game players only.

 

[Cheska]

Wow, forgive me if I feel that comes off a bit snobbish. And that last part just described The Elder Scrolls to tee. The first things you you in Arena and Dagger is fill out your character sheet and roll for your attributes. Hell, each attack you do is decided via invisible dice rolls. Yeah there's a story but you're also aloud to wander off and joins various factions and religions as well as complete various quest for them in a world that's the size of Great Britain. This game was inspired by D&D, created by people who loved the game and wanted to create a software version of it. I'm so sick of the whole "Oh sure let the computer decide the outcome" because it's not like the game was penned, developed and programmed by a person. Obviously I'm alone on this, so I'm sorry that I didn't play Dungeons and Dragons growing up seeing as it wasn't readily available over here leaving me stuck with what I thought were RPGs. I guess "Gamers" just refers to tabletop games.

Ok, to be honest and direct.. I am sorry if it sounded snobbish... but, well. I am a snob when it comes to a hobby that I have enjoyed for 30+ years, been published in many languages [Where do you live that they did not have D&D?].
I have never played Elder Scroll, so I can't comment as yet... but I can research.
My friends play Skyrim and claim it's awesome, but not like a real Table Top RPG.
Not 100%

Spectre, for me the biggest and most critical difference between them is that a programmed RPG will always impose limits on what you can do plot wise, where in a table top or similar game, that limitation isn't there. In a computer based RPG, you can't really set off on your own generated plotline, you can only go on ones that have been supplied for you.

I will admit to being a purist, even an elitist snob regarding RPGs, but to me, Gamers covers people who play RPGs (computer & pen and paper), console games, computer games and table top warfare. So, as far as I am concerned, "Gamers" isn't limited to Table top game players only.

Exactly, In any Video game, there are only X things you can do. Sure, you can provide 100 Choices for where you go, 100 choices for who you fight, act, see, do.. etc.. but There is the limit.. 100.

People at a table have this Limit:
Player: What do I want Berty, my bard, to do today?
GM: Am I ready for the Curve ball that are my players?

Certainly, a GM can have a set idea of where he would 'Like' the players to go, but after that, he has little control [Note: a Good GM does NOT force his players to go from A to B within the limits of the game would physics.] over how they get there.
The control he does have is his own internal logic.
If the players have no way to fly, they must walk, ride, or swim.
If the players break certain laws, they 'might' get punished. I say might, because a fast talk or fast feet might get them out of trouble as well.

A real RPG has unlimited options.
No matter how good the program, how intensive the story, how many possible options.. a Video game will always reach a limit.

This is just my opinion.

Sorry if it offends.

 

[Nina327]

Hello gamers. I'm gonna post a few pics and I'm asking for some feedback. My lil sis has hit the self doubt we all hit no matter our medium. Constructive useful feedback appreciated... blatant complements would be better.

Drawn for a DnD type gamebook.
spider
Batthing

The start of her graphic novel
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3

A few characters
Blue
Brown

 

[DarkWarrioress]

OMG, Nina. She's an incredibly talented artist. I can see her easily finding someone to publish her. I only saw that little bit of her graphic novel, but she can write too.

Wow. Just. Wow. Seriously. I'd read her. *nod*

 

[Annisthyrienne]

Hello gamers. I'm gonna post a few pics and I'm asking for some feedback. My lil sis has hit the self doubt we all hit no matter our medium. Constructive useful feedback appreciated... blatant complements would be better.

Drawn for a DnD type gamebook.
spider
Batthing

The start of her graphic novel
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3

A few characters
Blue
Brown

Thank you for posting them, Nina. If your niece is old enough to read things on Lit, I hope you will let her see the comments she gets.

In all honesty, this artwork is every bit as good, and mostly better, than what I've seen in gaming books before. I've been a gamer all my life. Some game books have great artwork, but they are not exactly known for it. But these pictures are very good, very vivid. They'd be excellent aids to spurring the imagination. Since most of these type of games take place entirely in the imagination, it is very helpful to have vivid imagery to refer to when you're trying to imagine what a certain monster looks like, or what a certain character looks like. She could have a very good future ahead of her as an illustrator.

 

[marauder13]

Hello gamers. I'm gonna post a few pics and I'm asking for some feedback. My lil sis has hit the self doubt we all hit no matter our medium. Constructive useful feedback appreciated... blatant complements would be better.

Drawn for a DnD type gamebook.
spider
Batthing

The start of her graphic novel
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3

A few characters
Blue
Brown

Nina, as a long time gamer, 30+ years, she's got the talent right now to illustrate anything in the gaming industry.

The first 3 images were fantastic. Good as anything out there now, at the very least.

Her graphic novel looks really good too. Seriously, tell her she's going great guns, and to continue putting in the effort she has, because it's paying off in spades.

I think once she gets a decent portfolio together, there wont be much standing in the way of her making a living out of that.

Oh, and as Cait said, if she finishes that graphic novel of hers, I'd be reading it too.

 

[Mr_J]

Greetings and Salutations,

Big gamer, I have played D&D 3.5 & 4

I actually played Star Wars with D20 system

I do love computer and console gaming

as well I am in the works of getting my MFA in VFX and animation

 

[Nina327]

Thank you both. I let her read both comments (she's 20). I love seeing my little sister blush, smile and tear up at the same time!

 

[Nina327]

Nina, as a long time gamer, 30+ years, she's got the talent right now to illustrate anything in the gaming industry.

The first 3 images were fantastic. Good as anything out there now, at the very least.

Her graphic novel looks really good too. Seriously, tell her she's going great guns, and to continue putting in the effort she has, because it's paying off in spades.

I think once she gets a decent portfolio together, there wont be much standing in the way of her making a living out of that.

Oh, and as Cait said, if she finishes that graphic novel of hers, I'd be reading it too.

I'll send this too her too as she's just headed back out the door.

Ive told her shes good but... Sister praise and praise from those that would be an audience are two differing monsters.

I'm hoping all of this also helps her tell her friend to fuckoff as well. (a little twit that has no job, no tallents other than tearing down other people) She's let the comments filter in and make her muse cry.

So thank you very much.

 

[DarkWarrioress]

I'll send this too her too as she's just headed back out the door.

Ive told her shes good but... Sister praise and praise from those that would be an audience are two differing monsters.

I'm hoping all of this also helps her tell her friend to fuckoff as well. (a little twit that has no job, no tallents other than tearing down other people) She's let the comments filter in and make her muse cry.

So thank you very much.

Apparently her little friend has some serious self esteem issues. She simply wants to drag everyone down with her. Your sister has talent. I sincerely hope she continues to hone it and she should just ignore her friend's negativity.

 

[Nina327]

Apparently her little friend has some serious self esteem issues. She simply wants to drag everyone down with her. Your sister has talent. I sincerely hope she continues to hone it and she should just ignore her friend's negativity.

Oh.. she does. She was always so sweet around me. Took her years to show her true colors though. But the little bitchs pattern is to claw at my sister ever time she starts succeding. Thankfully sister is learning and rarely sees the girl anymore. Serioulsly, I think the girl has a gigantic crush on my sister and cant stand that shes straight and more attractive than she is. She's also learning that some friends never really leave highschool in their brains.

BUT.. that is not the point of the postings.

Lil sis didnt want to keep drawing or posting her Novel and I figured... fuck all that. What she needs is real people feedback.
She paints too. She's in a local gallery, sold a few pieces... but shes the type that lets the few stray negative comments outweigh the mountain of positives. Even when those negatives are complete shite!

 

[LordUsagi]

Oh.. she does. She was always so sweet around me. Took her years to show her true colors though. But the little bitchs pattern is to claw at my sister ever time she starts succeding. Thankfully sister is learning and rarely sees the girl anymore. Serioulsly, I think the girl has a gigantic crush on my sister and cant stand that shes straight and more attractive than she is. She's also learning that some friends never really leave highschool in their brains.

BUT.. that is not the point of the postings.

Lil sis didnt want to keep drawing or posting her Novel and I figured... fuck all that. What she needs is real people feedback.
She paints too. She's in a local gallery, sold a few pieces... but shes the type that lets the few stray negative comments outweigh the mountain of positives. Even when those negatives are complete shite!

Continue to encourage her

The fact that you said she has sold pieces in the local gallery speaks volumes. People are willing to pay for her work tells you something

As to her Graphic Novel two things
Firstly it made me think, okay what is happening...I want to know more. A GOOD INTRO
Secondly I like the style...It seems to suit the story

 

[Nina327]

Continue to encourage her

The fact that you said she has sold pieces in the local gallery speaks volumes. People are willing to pay for her work tells you something

As to her Graphic Novel two things
Firstly it made me think, okay what is happening...I want to know more. A GOOD INTRO
Secondly I like the style...It seems to suit the story

Thank you.
I Dont know if I have pics of the ones she sold, I know she does somewhere. - This is one she did for me. And one for a cousin. And one for someones babies room.
-giggles- Had to show her off one more time, didnt I.

The intro was one thing she was conflicted about so I'm glad to know it's exactly as she intended it do be. Drawing interest.

Good good good good... -nods-

thanks again!

 

[Britwitch]

Thank you.
I Dont know if I have pics of the ones she sold, I know she does somewhere. - This is one she did for me. And one for a cousin. And one for someones babies room.
-giggles- Had to show her off one more time, didnt I.

The intro was one thing she was conflicted about so I'm glad to know it's exactly as she intended it do be. Drawing interest.

Good good good good... -nods-

thanks again!

She's amazingly gifted! She really is.