Guns for everyone. Guns for all.

[Zeb_Carter]

I think he meant that they would all have to cost that much. Like an ammo tax of $4995 on that .45 round.

That would be fine with me. The revenue could go to paying for all the damage caused by gun fondlers and ammosexuals, both the gun manufacturers' biggest civilian customers.

rj

And politicians being as stupid as they are or devious as they are would only apply that tax to complete rounds, leaving the individual pieces a market price. They may apply the tax to reloading equipment, but that's a one time expenditure. So hunters, most of who reload, wouldn't be effected by the per complete round tax.

 

[DeYaKen]

Maybe when we get to the place that Star Trek was filmed and everyone just has stunners.

Until then, I will rely on MY skill and 9mm, cause calling the police is a waste of time until it's all over.

I obviously live in Star Trek land because our police do not carry guns and don't want them. In a previous life I ran a Post Office. When my wife accidentally hit the alarm button with a parcel two Police cars arrived within four minutes and I was told that an armed response unit was on standby.

I don't need to carry a gun in my car because that would be illegal and I can be 99.9% sure that anyone who wants to pick a fight with me will not have a gun.

Do guns make for a more polite society? If they did Brits would be the least polite and Americans would be the most. In reality the Canadians are the most polite and Britain scores way above the USA. There doesn't seem to be a correlation one way or the other.

I know that the NRA claim that the solution to gun crime is for everyone to carry a gun. Does that mean that the world would be a safer place if every nation had nuclear weapons?

John Kenneth Gailbraith (one time head of the federal reserve and brilliant socio-economist) said about the first world war "with such a large build up of armaments, all that was necessary for disaster to strike, was a small element of stupidity" I leave it to you to decide whether that can be applied to your own society.

PS it made the national news here that the police have raided a number of houses on an estate following shots being fired on a local beach. No one was injured and there is no mention of malicious intent.

 

[SusanJillParker]

I obviously live in Star Trek land because our police do not carry guns and don't want them. In a previous life I ran a Post Office. When my wife accidentally hit the alarm button with a parcel two Police cars arrived within four minutes and I was told that an armed response unit was on standby.

I don't need to carry a gun in my car because that would be illegal and I can be 99.9% sure that anyone who wants to pick a fight with me will not have a gun.

Do guns make for a more polite society? If they did Brits would be the least polite and Americans would be the most. In reality the Canadians are the most polite and Britain scores way above the USA. There doesn't seem to be a correlation one way or the other.

I know that the NRA claim that the solution to gun crime is for everyone to carry a gun. Does that mean that the world would be a safer place if every nation had nuclear weapons?

John Kenneth Gailbraith (one time head of the federal reserve and brilliant socio-economist) said about the first world war "with such a large build up of armaments, all that was necessary for disaster to strike, was a small element of stupidity" I leave it to you to decide whether that can be applied to your own society.

PS it made the national news here that the police have raided a number of houses on an estate following shots being fired on a local beach. No one was injured and there is no mention of malicious intent.

"A small element of stupidity?"

I don't know, maybe it's me, in a world where 97% of the population are borderline morons, putting a gun in the hands of all of those people is an accident waiting to happen.

The bottom line is that the argument is not about guns, it's about money. I only wish those criminals with guns would kill those people who make guns and those people who pass the laws to legalize guns. Then and only then will they see the evil of their greedy ways.

Bush had his chance to sign the bill that would make automatic weapons such as AK-47's and Bushmasters illegal, instead he allowed the law to die. Why? Who paid him and how much did they pay him not to sign that legislation that could have save so many souls?

Why does a hunter need an AK-47? Why does anyone need an AK-47 unless they want to kill a lot of people, children in schools and people standing in line at a movie theatre?

I understand the need for handguns. Most handgun owners are law abiding citizens. Yet, there's no reason for anyone to house an arsenal of guns, especially when some of those guns aren't registered, a real problem when stolen.

Someone who lives in an isolated area where the police are miles away, needs a gun. Yet, most people have guns not because they need them but because they're fear driven by NRA lobbyists. Too many people who don't know how to even use them and safely keep them have guns. In a weak moment, instant death can be tempting. In a lifetime of regret, we can't take that bullet back.

My contention has always been and still is that instead of guns, everyone who wants a gun should have the right to own a water gun.

"Take that, you bastard! Now you're all wet!"

 

[SusanJillParker]

Can you imagine if we were all armed with water guns the worst trouble we could get in is to soak a woman's shirt enough that her nipples appear through her bra and shirt, if she's wearing a bra.

Imagine coming up behind a woman and squirting her ass enough to show her panties. Women wouldn't notice right away that they were being squirted until it was too late.

"Johnny! Stop squirting me. My nipples are showing right through my nightgown," said Johnny's mother. "Is that any way for a 30-year-old man to act? I'm going to take that water gun away from you."

Imagine a drive-by squirting where four water gun armed men stick their super soakers out the car window and soak unsuspecting people.

"Wow!"

"911. What's your emergency?"

"We were just drench by a drive-by squirting, actually it was more like a soaking."

"Sir, there's no crime in someone shooting you with a water gun."

"There is when there's a water ban."

"I'll dispatch a car."

 

[elfin_odalisque]

SJP, you wander incoherently between topics on this magical mystery tour, mainly spouting banal nonsense.

I am a Michael Moore advocate.

Abolish the NRA, give cops tasers and introduce strict police controls on people holding firearms.

 

[SusanJillParker]

SJP, you wander incoherently between topics on this magical mystery tour, mainly spouting banal nonsense.

I am a Michael Moore advocate.

Abolish the NRA, give cops tasers and introduce strict police controls on people holding firearms.

Ah, perhaps you're the one who lacks a sense of humor. Be careful. I just may squirt you in the face with my water gun.

Being that you're a guest in my thread, I suggest you be cordial. Would you like another cup of coffee? Another cookie? How about a piece of sponge cake?

Lemme ask you a question, while you're here in my thread. Do you think I should go with the burgundy drapes or the olive green? I have both colors in the oriental carpet that I put down. I really wanted a pool table but I don't have enough room for that in this small thread. Scouries just installed a bowling alley in his. He has a huge two floor thread with a Olympic swimming pool in the basement.

Oh, sorry. Am I rambling again? Maybe I should just squirt some water in your face with my water gun every time you stop following my train of thought.

 

[karaline]

'All of our television channels, cable TV, newspapers, and magazines are own by 7, white, Jewish, elderly billionaires.'

Fixed that for you.

Rupert Murdoch is not Jewish.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

SJP, you wander incoherently between topics on this magical mystery tour, mainly spouting banal nonsense.

I am a Michael Moore advocate.

Abolish the NRA, give cops tasers and introduce strict police controls on people holding firearms.

Lol. That's tact for you.

 

[DeYaKen]

Rupert Murdoch is not Jewish.

No but he would be if there was money or power in becoming Jewish. After all that is why he became an American citizen.

 

[robertreams]

SJP, I like you more and more. It was this same principle (arming to protect ourselves FROM the police) that lead to the murder of many Black Panther Party members in their beds as they slept, a nationwide event the U.S. congress investigation called "a conspiracy between the FBI and local police."

 

[robertreams]

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[robertreams]

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[robertreams]

Susan Jill, have you ever been loved by a 70 yr old man? You see everything so right!

 

[robertreams]

aha, at last I have tracked you down, AZ from this moment forward i will greet you each time i see you: Heil Hitler!

 

[SusanJillParker]

Susan Jill, have you ever been loved by a 70 yr old man? You see everything so right!

Loved by a 70-year-old man? Never.

I've been lusted over by men twenty and more years older than me when I was in my late teens and early twenties. Yes.

My four, much older brothers, one of which I believe is my biological father, all had their forced, sexual way with me. Then, there were some my incestuous whore of a mother's boyfriends who were always trying to get me drunk and/or naked.

My Mom had a habit of taking her work home with her long before telecommuting was popular.

So, lemme get this straight. Are you really dying? Tell me the truth and be honest, not that it makes any difference at all but are you a wealthy man? If you are rich, have I told you that I love you, really love you, and truly love you?

E-mail me and I'll give you my address where your lawyer may get in touch with me when reading your will.

"And to Susan Jill Parker, the only woman I ever truly loved other than my wife...I leave...all...of my...writings?"

"Writings? Are you kidding me? He left everything, his cash, his mansion in Colorado and his vacation house in the Hamptons, his Ferrari and Maserati to his wife? Are you kidding me? And all the he left me is his writings? Wait. Hold the phone. After reading some of his work, some of this stuff is good, really good. Who was this man, Wm Forrester of Finding Forrester? After I publish these manuscripts to novel length work, I may have a goldmine after all."

 

[TxRad]

Susan Jill, have you ever been loved by a 70 yr old man? You see everything so right!

Since Susan AKA Freddie plus a dozen more all male, is a guy you might want to rethink that.

I wonder what his asshole buddy Scouries thinks of him turning trans? Will they take Freddie off the fake lists and take away his fake wins in the fake contests?

Now I'll wait for the regular pure Freddie reaction.

 

[SusanJillParker]

Since Susan AKA Freddie plus a dozen more all male, is a guy you might want to rethink that.

I wonder what his asshole buddy Scouries thinks of him turning trans? Will they take Freddie off the fake lists and take away his fake wins in the fake contests?

Now I'll wait for the regular pure Freddie reaction.

I'm only here to earn a living and you, madam, aren't even a thorn in my side. You're more like a dinkleberry in my ass that I flush down the toilet.

May God touch you to make you a better person because right now, you're filled with the Devil.

"God hear my prayer. Help this woman of a man, TxRad, see the way of his wrongs. She/he's not even a man but a woman wearing men's clothes. She/he's not even from Texas but from Maine.

Give her/him the strength to say no to the Devil. Help her/him to be a better woman of a man in the way that LoveCraft is, a man, who if not only by his name, loves everyone, is good to everyone, and helps all.

Lovecraft sails his vessel of kindness through the waters of goodness in the way that this woman of a man rides a pretend merry-go-round horse for twenty-five cents in front of a grocery story.

Help this woman of a man God. Give her/him more quarters so that she/he may ride her/his pretend horse longer.

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, Amen."

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Just stop polluting this thread.

 

[TxRad]

Freddie, as usual you're repeating yourself.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Rupert Murdoch is not Jewish.

How do you know?

 

[SusanJillParker]

Just stop polluting this thread.

Being that this is my thread started by me, I dare say you're the one who's polluting my thread. Perhaps you're referring to yourself...Elfy.

You know, for someone who doesn't contribute to the site by writing stories, you have a lot of nerve. Have you ever written a story or do you just hang around her starting trouble. I'm starting to think that either you're Scouries or Scouries is you. C'mon, come clean. I promise I won't tell anyone.

Go fly. Go fly away...Elfy, sorry, I mean, Scouries.

 

[rgraham666]

Only in America can religious debates revolve around firearms. Only in America is use of a firearm supporting freedom. Only in America does property become more important than lives.

Here in Canada, and the rest of the developed world from my observation, firearms are tools of violence useful only in very limited circumstances. We aren't so frightened of our fellow citizens that we feel the need to be armed all the time.

I suspect that's because of, as I noted, the essentially religious and Manichaean nature of America culture. There's good guys and bad guys, good and evil. No nuance, no grey areas. All of existence is, to many Americans, a fight to the death.

No wonder the place is falling apart.

 

[SusanJillParker]

Only in America can religious debates revolve around firearms. Only in America is use of a firearm supporting freedom. Only in America does property become more important than lives.

Here in Canada, and the rest of the developed world from my observation, firearms are tools of violence useful only in very limited circumstances. We aren't so frightened of our fellow citizens that we feel the need to be armed all the time.

I suspect that's because of, as I noted, the essentially religious and Manichaean nature of America culture. There's good guys and bad guys, good and evil. No nuance, no grey areas. All of existence is, to many Americans, a fight to the death.

No wonder the place is falling apart.

The question to ask is why does American have so many guns, more guns than people?

Money. Guns and bullets are big business in America. Every politician is owned by the NRA. We will never have strong gun laws because of the NRA and their lobbyists own this country and our "public servants (sic)".

The NRA waves the flag of fear and people buy more guns and more bullets. The NRA points to a politician who wants to take your guns away by passing laws to register guns and license owners and people buy more guns and more bullets. The NRA comes to defend against those cities who want to pass sane gun laws and more people buy more guns and more bullets.

Guns are big business. Death is big business. Fear is big business.

The late Charlton Heston, once president of the NRA, is quoted as saying, "I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

The odd thing is that no one wanted to outlaw guns. Sane people just wanted gun owners to license themselves and register their guns.

Charlton Heston is singularly responsible for selling the most guns and bullets from what he said about the government trying to take the right away from people to bear arms. It was nothing but a ploy by the NRA to sell more guns and more bullets.

 

[SusanJillParker]

And the irony is that Charlton Heston is not holding a handgun. He's not holding an automatic weapon. He's not holding an AK-47 or a Bushmaster, he's holding a single shot rifle, possibly a .22 caliber.

Yet, people made that connection that the government wanted to take all guns. People made the connection that guns would soon be outlawed.

Preposterous.

 

[Mavramorn]

I know this will go against the grain with a lot of people, but imagine a world where even the police do not carry guns on a regular basis.

To perhaps put into perspective the comment I once read concerning the pro/con gun lobbies, about how arming everyone would make for a politer society, I live in the UK, where handguns are highly illegal, as are rifles and shotguns, except for licensed and closely regulated sporting pastimes, and our police are operationally and routinely unarmed, with specialist armed units wheeled-out only when an armed response is required. We do have a certain level of deaths by firearms, but these are the figures for the year 2011, which I picked at random, then checked with my husband, who is a firearms training officer with The Metropolitan Police in London and has these kinds of statistics at his fingertips;

The population of America in 2011 was 311,700,000
The population of Britain in 2011 was 67,770,000, so the population of a vast country like America is only 5 times that of our little island. One would therefore be forgiven for assuming that the death-rates would be proportional, in the same ratio (about 5:1), given that America is a civilised, sophisticated, Western country, not some gun-happy Banana Republic. Not so;

Total firearms-related deaths in the UK for 2011: 39
Total firearms-related deaths in the US for 2011: 32,351, or 829.5 times that of Britain

The relative population ratio is 5:1, yet the firearms deaths ratio is 829:1

39 people dead is horrifying enough; 32,351 is a crime against humanity