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[Fuzzy1975]

Yet under Trump we were almost at a point of energy, Independence and actually were producing all kinds of oil.

The US became energy independent under Obama....

Because we didn't shut down pipelines and drilling sites. We followed the philosophy then for those years of drill baby drill. And we were doing great. There's tons and tons. There's a whole bunch of oil for us to take and use without destroying natural resources. But this administration stopped that. We shouldn't need to worry about whether or not Russian oil production places are blown up. We shouldn't be dependent on Russia at all for anything. So no I'm not happy with the way those dollars are spent. I want American dollars spent on American production of oil and crude and gas and diesel and all kinds of other sources... Including electric and solar by the way and nuclear. It's not an either/Or it's a both/and.

And hey I'm glad you spend your money the way you want to spend it. No, I would be curious as to how much research you do about how Ukraine spends their dollars that are offset by your dollars in their own government. I personally would rather buy the homeless guy a meal myself and then help him get a job, than give him money to go buy a burger and then him use his own money to buy alcohol. And I'm not saying homeless people will automatically do that. I'm giving an example. But hey you are using your money the way you choose to use it. And I bet if the government stopped taking the money that they're taking and tax dollars from you, at least to the level they do, You would have more money to spend on the things you care most about. I have no doubt you put your money where your mouth is. Good job for you. You aren't all talk. And I support your freedom to spend that money where you want to, even if I don't agree with the spending. Let's just keep the government out of it.

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How to say you have no fucking clue how oil prices happen using a whole lot of words...

Excellent example Fisher....

 

[KeithD]

Yet under Trump we were almost at a point of energy, Independence

Besides the fact that this is a Trumpian lie, what part of "during the height of Covid, very little oil was being used" can't you/won't you be honest enough to grasp?

 

[JaySecrets]

Even if I agreed with any of the above, I note that you do not dispute my point in any way: Putin didn't hold back from attacking Ukraine while Trump was president because he was afraid of Trump, he did it because he was hoping Trump would pull us out of NATO. It doesn't matter whether you want us out of NATO or not.


What is "fundamentally true" is that people like you have been saying that for a hundred years about anyone to the left of Atilla the Hun. You probably don't even really know the true definition of "socialism", nor have you ever studied Marx. You just know those words scare people into voting the way you want.

I wish! But it just ain't so. Again, it only looks that way to you.

Nope. That's another one the likes of you have been saying again and again and again, without being able to point to anything to support that.

I have in fact studied what Marx taught at length. I have read the Communist manifesto. I have paid close attention to what was said in that manifesto and compared it to the actions and beliefs as expressed by the Democrat party. They are frighteningly similar and sometimes use the exact same phrases. So don't say I haven't studied Marx when I actually have. I know exactly what communism and socialism is.

As for the schools, that indoctrination began back with Dewey when he came into the school systems. Again, you don't have to theorize because he wrote at length about what his goals were. He was educated in communist, Russia in childhood psychology. He and his group came into the universities and started pushing things that they knew would lead to the propagation of socialism and communism in America. He in fact stated I don't need anything except your universities and I will brainwash your children. Well he didn't use the word brainwash but, that's what it was. Again, not theory, simply reading what he wrote. So the father of modern public education was an avowed communist who had his goal as brainwashing American students in the long game of turning America communist and socialist. If you have the balls and the courage to read it, there's a great book that goes in great depth on this. It's called Crimes of the Educators. The Reagan administration actually did a investigation as to what was happening to our school systems and why they had gone downhill so much. What the findings of that investigation said was that if a foreign entity had done what we had allowed to happen internally in our school systems we would consider an act of war. Again, I'm just quoting the research. I'm giving you hard facts here. You can look them up. It's easier to get them today than ever, at least if you don't use the search engines like Google and others that automatically filter out anything that doesn't fit a social agenda. Do your own research. I'm giving you some great start points here. Then come back to me.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I have in fact studied what Marx taught at length. I have read the Communist manifesto

You may have studied it, but you failed to understand it. As soon as you learned I am not an American, you called me a Marxist socialist.

Those terms don't co-exist. Obviously you need to go back and re study.

 

[InThe312]

For someone who claims not to be MAGA fanatic you sure have the talking points down pat

Geez...how did you not know the MAGAts got these from Jay?

 

[jomar]

There is in fact widespread voter fraud. I happen to be in Wisconsin where in Madison and Milwaukee it happened badly. It has happened both in the governor races and in the presidential races. And I am not going to get into all the ways that happened here because that is a very long discussion. But the reason why you can say there's not evidence of widespread voter fraud is because the media refused to report on it and local governments that were controlled by liberals refused to investigate it. The conservatives in those regions actually did the investigations and showed the widespread voter fraud and The Liberals in that area and those regions buried the story. So there's plenty of evidence for widespread voter fraud. There's very little reporting on it. There's a difference.

lol, I’m starting to think you’re a Russian bot like randyrebecca.

But to the voter fraud. I get why you don’t want to get into it because there’s nothing there but an empty claim. If there were widespread and significant voter fraud the last presidential election would have exposed it bigly, as I’m sure you’re aware. In fact, IIRC the small amount of voter fraud was done by republicans.

 

[JaySecrets]

Proof please....

No it's not really a long explanation. All you have to do is come up with some evidence. Trust me brighter minds than you have tried and failed.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

lol,so you're claiming the courts haven't acted because it wasn't reported on? Election fraud is a criminal charge. Courts act, so I'm sure you can show us the court cases, since those are publicly accessible records, irregardless of if the cases made the news.....

That really depends on who's controlling the courts now, doesn't it? We have in Wisconsin a very very liberal supreme Court and it has not been willing to handle a lot of things that don't go along with their ideology. So saying the courts are somehow impervious to corruption is crazy. Courts are made up of people. Those people are corruptable. And we have, particularly in places like Wisconsin, A problem where because judges are elected they run on political platforms even though they claim not to. And then they deliver on their political agenda. Yes, I realize appointing them can create the same problem. It's why the founders considered the judicial branch The most dangerous branch of government. They held that the courts would be able to thwart the Constitution easier than any other branch of government, which is why they intended for extreme checks and balances on it. Checks and balances that we have later discarded.

And yes, there are long explanations here. Because there was all kinds of stuff that happened with ballots and public spaces where there was nobody watching the absentee ballots and they were literally being held in open canvas bags in public parks and not being handled with any care. Were people in nursing homes being pressured by liberals who worked at the nursing homes to vote absentee for a candidate they didn't support and being told that we don't vote for this person because we don't like him. You had family members being kept away during that time which meant it was easier for those corrupt people to do what they did. You had all kinds of stuff happening and it was all over the board. So yes, it's a very long explanation. And I'm not going to get into all of it because I don't want to get into that tangent. I'm just about done with this thread because you don't want to listen to any truth. But I'm actually doing the effort of putting the truth out there for anyone who bothers researching it.

Courts are not the end-all and be-all. It's kind of funny that when a judge or a court rules in the favor of conservatives you scream foul saying the judge is biased or a plant by the conservatives or so on and so forth. But then when something happens against the conservatives you say that it's just how it is and the courts are being balanced and unbiased. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that courts are unbiased and unassailiable and how dare you say that the courts get it wrong and then turn around and say that they got it wrong and were biased over here. It cuts both ways. I'm saying courts are made up of biased corruptable people whose biases and corruption can sometime come through and in this case it did.

 

[JaySecrets]

You may have studied it, but you failed to understand it. As soon as you learned I am not an American, you called me a Marxist socialist.

Those terms don't co-exist. Obviously you need to go back and re study.

Those terms coexist nicely. The reason that you claim they don't is because of the brainwashing of the world through the globalists who understood the negative connotation of one against the other. If I have two sides to the same view, there's just a difference of opinion on how you advance that view, can't say those sides don't coexist. Because in fact there is some compromise between those two sides because they have the same end goal. The goal of Marxism and communism and the goal of socialism is the same. The goal of the national socialist party was the same goal as the Communist party. They just had different methodology. Please stop pretending those are separate. That's like saying outright globalist Marxism by force has nothing in common with communitarianism. Both are pushing toward the same goal. It's just the rate of speed and the methodology used to get there.

 

[JaySecrets]

lol, I’m starting to think you’re a Russian bot like randyrebecca.

But to the voter fraud. I get why you don’t want to get into it because there’s nothing there but an empty claim. If there were widespread and significant voter fraud the last presidential election would have exposed it bigly, as I’m sure you’re aware. In fact, IIRC the small amount of voter fraud was done by republicans.

Of course the media would not have exposed it bigly as you put it. The media wanted Trump to lose. The media figures actually wept tears of sorrow and panic when Trump was elected. Those same media figures celebrated openly when Biden was declared the winner. Of course they were going to bury voter fraud. And those same biases existed and still do exist in liberal-run courts across the country. This is why the Democrats and the socialists have invested so much in the election of Judges. This was the purpose. If you can get a hold of the media and control the media and the courts... And especially if you can also control the schools, You own the country. That's exactly what your socialist and communist have done. That's the truth. And that's why my side is saying what they are. We presented the evidence. It got shouted down and told to shut up.

 

[YDB95]

So don't say I haven't studied Marx when I actually have. I know exactly what communism and socialism is.

Not if you think I'm either of those, you don't.

As for the schools, that indoctrination began back with Dewey when he came into the school systems. Again, you don't have to theorize because he wrote at length about what his goals were. He was educated in communist, Russia in childhood psychology.

No, he wasn't. He completed his education well before the USSR even existed, and he was a staunch advocate of democracy. At best, you're cherrypicking one paper he wrote. At worst, you're regurgitating something you probably read in some right-wing rag and not quite getting it right (or the source got it wrong to begin with, which is rather likely).

So the father of modern public education was an avowed communist who had his goal as brainwashing American students in the long game of turning America communist and socialist.

If you've got evidence of that, post it. All I could find was one travelogue from Russia that had nothing to do with his educational policies.

The Reagan administration actually did a investigation as to what was happening to our school systems and why they had gone downhill so much.

Consider the source! Reagan famously bragged about having never read a book in college, lest we forget.

What the findings of that investigation said was that if a foreign entity had done what we had allowed to happen internally in our school systems we would consider an act of war. Again, I'm just quoting the research. I'm giving you hard facts here.

No, you're giving me Reagan administration propaganda. There is a huge difference. This also contradicts your repeated claim that you "don't trust Republicans either".

You can look them up. It's easier to get them today than ever, at least if you don't use the search engines like Google and others that automatically filter out anything that doesn't fit a social agenda. Do your own research. I'm giving you some great start points here. Then come back to me.

Google does not filter out sources you would like. I know this because of what I call "the Google test": when someone like you makes an outrageous claim about Biden (or any other Democrat), I google it. If the first page of results consists of sources that would say "BIDEN CAN'T SWIM" if he walked on water, then it fails the Google test. And they almost always do.

 

[stxjimmy]

He and his group came into the universities and started pushing things that they knew would lead to the propagation of socialism and communism in America. He in fact stated I don't need anything except your universities and I will brainwash your children. Well he didn't use the word brainwash but, that's what it was. Again, not theory, simply reading what he wrote. So the father of modern public education was an avowed communist who had his goal as brainwashing American students in the long game of turning America communist and socialist.

Did he say it or not? In two sentences you have Dewey stating something, then not, then writing it.

Make more of an effort to make sense.

 

[JaySecrets]

lol, I’m starting to think you’re a Russian bot like randyrebecca.

But to the voter fraud. I get why you don’t want to get into it because there’s nothing there but an empty claim. If there were widespread and significant voter fraud the last presidential election would have exposed it bigly, as I’m sure you’re aware. In fact, IIRC the small amount of voter fraud was done by republicans.

Yeah cuz Russian bots are greatly concerned with what said on this site. Give me a break. I'm simply pointed out facts that your side doesn't want to acknowledge. And that's fine. I believe that America is done as a nation anyway. We have sold out to the enemy too much. We are now on a downward spiral that historically no Nation has ever recovered from. So right now I'm just stating the facts of how we got here. There has never been a good outcome of the worldview that you are citing and spewing. Not once in the history of the world. You are not the exception. My interest now is in watching how it plays out and keeping track of how we get there. And with that I am done with this thread. I have laid out the facts. I have laid out as much as I can of resources. You mock them. You reject them. So be it. Hopefully somebody reading this does some research and looks it up and finds out you are the liars that facts show you to be. I never planned on changing your minds because you are so set in your lies and your biases and your propaganda that you can't see the truth. You are willfully blind. You are deaf by choice. And you choose to be ignorant to the facts. I feel sorry for you. Because when tyranny comes to this nation, And it will very soon, You are going to be part of the cause of it. But maybe someone who is not you is going to see this, going to see the fact that I'm not resorting to name calling and attacks on personality. And they're going to do the research. And they're going to pick up a book that wasn't produced by some left-wing source. And they are going to be exposed to the truth. Hopefully they read Sowell, or Elder or several other conservatives, And hopefully they are conservatives who happened to be black so that the charge of racism can be erased from your claims. And hopefully they'll have their eyes open a little bit. You're willfully keeping your eyes closed. Some of us keep our eyes very wide open.

 

[ll74]

I didn't like him any better under his previous alt.

 

[schism666]

Do you believe trump to be a good CEO?

lol. fucker bankrupts casinos and entire football leagues.

 

[InThe312]

That really depends on who's controlling the courts now, doesn't it? We have in Wisconsin a very very liberal supreme Court and it has not been willing to handle a lot of things that don't go along with their ideology.

Wisconsin's supreme court is 4 D to 3 R. I wouldn't call that very very liberal.

You Wisconsinites love to throw around widespread voter fraud because you keep voting in people that the lunatics can't believe got elected by the good people of Wisconsin and then the lunatics launch recalls which either a) fail to get enough traction to even go to vote or b) fail.

I'll never wrap my head around how you cannot understand the level of voter fraud by a single party that would need to take place to sway any election. Sure, maybe someone could still pull off rigging a local sheriff's election in some rural county in Idaho, but no presidential, congressional or gubernatorial election could be changed by voter fraud without someone detecting it and shining a light. The Earth isn't flat. Chemtrails don't exist. There isn't a secret world ruling elite cabal. The NFL isn't rigged. Jesus.

 

[jaF0]

Mail-In voting is the easiest way to commit voter fraud.

There is in fact widespread voter fraud. I happen to be in Wisconsin where in Madison and Milwaukee it happened badly.

There's very little reporting on it. There's a difference.

"MILWAUKEE (CN) — The former deputy director of the Milwaukee Election Commission was found guilty of one count of misconduct in public office and three counts of voter fraud at the conclusion of her jury trial on Wednesday.

Kimberly Zapata, 47, will be sentenced on May 2 at a hearing before Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Kori Ashley, who also presided over her trial.

Zapata pleaded not guilty to all the charges she faced. Combining all potential penalties for all the charges, she now faces a maximum of five years in prison and more than $10,000 in fines at sentencing."




"Prosecutors successfully argued that Zapata used fake voter information to request three military absentee ballots through the Wisconsin Elections Commission’s online portal on Oct. 25, 2022 — just ahead of that year’s midterm elections — and send them to a Republican lawmaker who embraced election conspiracy theories. "

"While she was working as deputy director of the commission, according to prosecutors, Zapata requested the three ballots. She then used her governmental access to get the home address of Janel Brandtjen of Menomonee Falls — a Republican member of the Wisconsin Assembly who frequently makes false assertions of fraud in the 2020 election — and had the fraudulent ballots mailed there."

https://www.courthousenews.com/former-milwaukee-election-official-guilty-of-voter-fraud-jury-finds/

 

[jomar]

Of course the media would not have exposed it bigly as you put it. The media wanted Trump to lose. The media figures actually wept tears of sorrow and panic when Trump was elected.

You’re having a busy day!

I’m not talking about the media. I’m talking about the endless lawsuits the Giuliani clown show trotted around. They had nothing. No voter fraud. Courts called their bluff and they backed away because they knew their claims were false.

Those same media figures celebrated openly when Biden was declared the winner.

And the world danced in the streets. Remember those videos?

Of course they were going to bury voter fraud.

Again, there was no widespread or meaningful voter fraud. If you have actual evidence, present it.

And those same biases existed and still do exist in liberal-run courts across the country. This is why the Democrats and the socialists have invested so much in the election of Judges. This was the purpose. If you can get a hold of the media and control the media and the courts...

lol, there are as many whackadoodle left media as right. The difference between Dems and repubs is that you believe the conspiracy shit while we don’t.

As far as judges, that may have actually been the crowning achievement of the trump administration. McConnell’s hypocrisy got a conservative SCOTUS and down wind many, many judges were appointed with the backing of the heritage foundation. So I call bullshit on your bullshit.

And especially if you can also control the schools, You own the country. That's exactly what your socialist and communist have done. That's the truth. And that's why my side is saying what they are. We presented the evidence. It got shouted down and told to shut up.

lol, what evidence? You have no stinking evidence. Shouted down, double lol.

 

[adrina]

 

[jomar]

Yeah cuz Russian bots are greatly concerned with what said on this site. Give me a break. I'm simply pointed out facts that your side doesn't want to acknowledge. And that's fine. I believe that America is done as a nation anyway. We have sold out to the enemy too much. We are now on a downward spiral that historically no Nation has ever recovered from. So right now I'm just stating the facts of how we got here. There has never been a good outcome of the worldview that you are citing and spewing. Not once in the history of the world. You are not the exception. My interest now is in watching how it plays out and keeping track of how we get there. And with that I am done with this thread. I have laid out the facts. I have laid out as much as I can of resources. You mock them. You reject them. So be it. Hopefully somebody reading this does some research and looks it up and finds out you are the liars that facts show you to be. I never planned on changing your minds because you are so set in your lies and your biases and your propaganda that you can't see the truth. You are willfully blind. You are deaf by choice. And you choose to be ignorant to the facts. I feel sorry for you. Because when tyranny comes to this nation, And it will very soon, You are going to be part of the cause of it. But maybe someone who is not you is going to see this, going to see the fact that I'm not resorting to name calling and attacks on personality. And they're going to do the research. And they're going to pick up a book that wasn't produced by some left-wing source. And they are going to be exposed to the truth. Hopefully they read Sowell, or Elder or several other conservatives, And hopefully they are conservatives who happened to be black so that the charge of racism can be erased from your claims. And hopefully they'll have their eyes open a little bit. You're willfully keeping your eyes closed. Some of us keep our eyes very wide open.

All you’ve pointed out and laid out are MAGA talking points and given rwcj links as supporting evidence. I hope you’re getting paid by the word!

 

[jaF0]

Maybe that vote fraud in WI isn't the kind of vote fraud in WI somebody was talking about.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

That really depends on who's controlling the courts now, doesn't it?

No it doesn't, it has to do with the prosecutors, and as of now, you've yet to show any evidence. If there was voter fraud, it would have been prosecuted. You don't get a slap on the wrist, and a "don't do it again" warning. Voter fraud is one of the most serious crimes in a Democracy, and people don't sweep evidence of it under the rug...

 

[JaySecrets]

No it doesn't, it has to do with the prosecutors, and as of now, you've yet to show any evidence. If there was voter fraud, it would have been prosecuted. You don't get a slap on the wrist, and a "don't do it again" warning. Voter fraud is one of the most serious crimes in a Democracy, and people don't sweep evidence of it under the rug...

They don't sweep it under the rug. Unless of course they're the ones committing the fraud. The office of da and the office of judge has been pushed hard by the left to fill them with socialists and liberals and globalists who actually state that they hold the United Nations charter and the United Nations positions above the United States Constitution, these Have filled our courtrooms. All across the country. And conservatives were painfully unaware of what was happening until it was too late. So no, it wouldn't be exposed by prosecutors by judges by anybody in a system that is so corrupted that it wanted the fraud to happen in order to fundamentally transform this country. And now I am done because I have addressed the final part of the conversation. With this you won't see any more posts from me. So say what you will. It really doesn't matter because you don't deal with truth.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Those terms coexist nicely. The reason that you claim they don't is because of the brainwashing of the world through the globalists who understood the negative connotation of one against the other.

No, they do not coexist nicely:

If I have two sides to the same view, there's just a difference of opinion on how you advance that view, can't say those sides don't coexist.

LOL, now you've just proved you need to go back and re study, what you claimed to have studied. Fuck I don't think you even know who Friedrich Engels even is.....

Marxist meaning: A Marxist is someone who strongly agrees with the political, economic, and philosophical ideas of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. If you're a Marxist, you're especially critical of capitalism.

socialist meaning: Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems.

If you have actually studied either, you will see why they do not belong together....

 

[KeithD]

They don't sweep it under the rug. Unless of course they're the ones committing the fraud. The office of da and the office of judge has been pushed hard by the left to fill them with socialists and liberals and globalists who actually state that they hold the United Nations charter and the United Nations positions above the United States Constitution, these Have filled our courtrooms.

You're so full of crap that I can't read anymore. On ignore.

 

[jomar]

You're so full of crap that I can't read anymore. On ignore.

He tries so hard, though