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Frankie Munoz is a nice looking kid but he'll always be my son's age to me.
I am shocked that someone would not know who Holden Caulfield is, and it can only be excused by the possibility that BB is not from America, as The Catcher in the Rye is on the list of things you ought to be aware of in order to be considered culturally literate.
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Well, I am sorry to disappoint you, but I am American.
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Again, sorry. Blame my parents or public school system for me having no knowledge on "how important" that book is.
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okay, folks
Alright.
I've been watching this thread from the day it was posted. I've refrained from posting here because even though it wasn't meant to be, I think it's a hateful thread and I don't want to keep bumping it up to the top. However, every time I've come to this forum I see this thread up at the very top.
It seems to me that the general opinion on lit, and I know it's not 100% true, but the general accepted opinion is NO PEDOPHILIA. no matter what that term means to anyone, a large majority of us believe that it shouldn't be allowed on this site. That in mind, why are we arguing about it here? We all agree. Can't we just leave it at that?
This thread is at the very top of the forum. Newbies wondering about putting their stories on this site, asking for feedback here, people who have never spent time on this very valuable forum are seeing *this thread*, this thread filled with hateful things and negativity, first thing. Can't we stop putting it here at the top and let the forum drift back to what it's meant to be? We can start this discussion anew in the Author's Hangout, or the General Board. I'm not saying that this isn't a relevant "Story Feedback" thread, just that it's saying bad things about the group of US to have it here at the top.
Chicklet
Alright.
I've been watching this thread from the day it was posted. I've refrained from posting here because even though it wasn't meant to be, I think it's a hateful thread and I don't want to keep bumping it up to the top. However, every time I've come to this forum I see this thread up at the very top.
It seems to me that the general opinion on lit, and I know it's not 100% true, but the general accepted opinion is NO PEDOPHILIA. no matter what that term means to anyone, a large majority of us believe that it shouldn't be allowed on this site. That in mind, why are we arguing about it here? We all agree. Can't we just leave it at that?
This thread is at the very top of the forum. Newbies wondering about putting their stories on this site, asking for feedback here, people who have never spent time on this very valuable forum are seeing *this thread*, this thread filled with hateful things and negativity, first thing. Can't we stop putting it here at the top and let the forum drift back to what it's meant to be? We can start this discussion anew in the Author's Hangout, or the General Board. I'm not saying that this isn't a relevant "Story Feedback" thread, just that it's saying bad things about the group of US to have it here at the top.
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Well Chicklet dear that is fine with Me. If the moderator of this section of the forum wishes to delete it I wouldn't mind at all. That said, please do remove it, it just as Chicklet said shows a negative light on "us" as a whole.
Besides I didn't see the outrage anyway. It was an oversight it was corrected, THE END.
Besides I didn't see the outrage anyway. It was an oversight it was corrected, THE END.
the_bragis said:
"Sweet little 16 year old"? You seem to be under the impression that the average teenager doesn't develop naughty thoughts or actively attempt to have sex. This may be the case for some, but the (US) government's panic about teen pregnancy is based on something, and it can't all be rape and contaminated swimming pools. Yes, it would be nice to think that it was nice and simple, that on one's 18th birthday, the Good Sex Fairy bestowed the ability to fantasize. It just doesn't happen to be true in any case that I'm familiar with.
This is not to say that I think you're horrible for not wanting people to be taken advantage of. It's a role of society to protect those who are not knowledgeable or powerful enough to protect themselves. I do think that innocence is the wrong word, though. Inexperienced, unready, deserving of our protection, emotionally immature, focused on other things, sure. But no sweet little teenager is completely innocent. It's not a moral issue; it's a legal one. Quite a few people on this thread seem to believe in the myth of childhood and adolescent innocence. I don't know if the childhood innocence is true, but I know adolescent innocence isn't.
When you know that students learn about the Holocaust and Ebola in schools, how can you think that they're these mindless, trusting little zombies? Would you seriously want to think that everything they learned just bounced off and only kicked in when they turned 18? "Gee Suzy, I never thought about how horrible the world could be or how nice it would feel to get laid!" It just doesn't make sense. Most suicide attempts would be on the 18th birthday.
Protecting those underage from being exploited because they're forbidden, is responsible and caring. It says very good things about the concerned individuals here that they are worried about the welfare of those without direct legal representation. But selectively applying morals at a site blatantly portraying pornography seems a bit silly. Not publish something because it violates the law? Perfectly rational. Not publish because the site owner, for whatever reason, doesn't care for it? Totally understandable. Not publish because it's immoral? Completely illogical.
I didn't mean to make this so long, but I think these things should be said. Literoticans can be very tolerant, but sometimes I think people forget that this site is, by conventional standards, immoral. If a teenager doesn't want to have sex until well after they graduate college or get married or whatever, the laws in place to protect them should be dependable. But I'm not going to call anyone who happens to find a teenager attractive a pedophile. They act on it, not cool. They admire but keep their hands off, totally cool.
Anyhow, to wrap this up, this is an opinion thing. As long as we can all realize that no one person's opinion runs this show but Laurel's, I think things might snap into perspective. It's all very well to say that you're outraged about something, but if you don't like something you can always find a different way to spend your time. As so many have said, just don't open the durn story.
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my humble opinion
I have much less of a problem with projecting into the future when a celebrity comes of legal age than I do with some of the stories that really push the envelope.
There is one in particular which is doing very well in the Erotic Couplings category (although it really belongs in Mature), where a man in his 40's seduces a teenager. The story is written to be rather fuzzy about her actual age, and she is written and described as if she is much younger than 18.
There's another story which is in the Toplist which clearly states the girl is 18, but could pass for at least 3 years younger. And I've seen this tactic used in quite a few other stories as well.
Those kinds of things bother me. They skirt the rules and they blur the line between erotica and kiddie porn. I personally don't think the Olsen Twins at their 18th birthday party fall into that category. The celebrity category, in my mind, is mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.
JMHO.
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I have much less of a problem with projecting into the future when a celebrity comes of legal age than I do with some of the stories that really push the envelope.
There is one in particular which is doing very well in the Erotic Couplings category (although it really belongs in Mature), where a man in his 40's seduces a teenager. The story is written to be rather fuzzy about her actual age, and she is written and described as if she is much younger than 18.
There's another story which is in the Toplist which clearly states the girl is 18, but could pass for at least 3 years younger. And I've seen this tactic used in quite a few other stories as well.
Those kinds of things bother me. They skirt the rules and they blur the line between erotica and kiddie porn. I personally don't think the Olsen Twins at their 18th birthday party fall into that category. The celebrity category, in my mind, is mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.
JMHO.
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[B]discussion has been moved:[/B]
discussion has been moved:
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165434
I was not going to post here again and bump this thread, but I really would like to say, thanks for posting this. You very articulatlty said what I was trying to say. Funny thing is I was having a conversation with someone about this topic yesterday and he had the same pov. We need to get real about sex in this country, and take our blinders off. 18 is an arbetrairy legal age, not an absolute moral one. We are all sexual our whole lives through. But heaven forbid we admit it.
discussion has been moved:
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Tamlee said:"Sweet little 16 year old"? You seem to be under the impression that the average teenager doesn't develop naughty thoughts or actively attempt to have sex. This may be the case for some, but the (US) government's panic about teen pregnancy is based on something, and it can't all be rape and contaminated swimming pools. Yes, it would be nice to think that it was nice and simple, that on one's 18th birthday, the Good Sex Fairy bestowed the ability to fantasize. It just doesn't happen to be true in any case that I'm familiar with.
This is not to say that I think you're horrible for not wanting people to be taken advantage of. It's a role of society to protect those who are not knowledgeable or powerful enough to protect themselves. I do think that innocence is the wrong word, though. Inexperienced, unready, deserving of our protection, emotionally immature, focused on other things, sure. But no sweet little teenager is completely innocent. It's not a moral issue; it's a legal one. Quite a few people on this thread seem to believe in the myth of childhood and adolescent innocence. I don't know if the childhood innocence is true, but I know adolescent innocence isn't.
When you know that students learn about the Holocaust and Ebola in schools, how can you think that they're these mindless, trusting little zombies? Would you seriously want to think that everything they learned just bounced off and only kicked in when they turned 18? "Gee Suzy, I never thought about how horrible the world could be or how nice it would feel to get laid!" It just doesn't make sense. Most suicide attempts would be on the 18th birthday.
Protecting those underage from being exploited because they're forbidden, is responsible and caring. It says very good things about the concerned individuals here that they are worried about the welfare of those without direct legal representation. But selectively applying morals at a site blatantly portraying pornography seems a bit silly. Not publish something because it violates the law? Perfectly rational. Not publish because the site owner, for whatever reason, doesn't care for it? Totally understandable. Not publish because it's immoral? Completely illogical.
I didn't mean to make this so long, but I think these things should be said. Literoticans can be very tolerant, but sometimes I think people forget that this site is, by conventional standards, immoral. If a teenager doesn't want to have sex until well after they graduate college or get married or whatever, the laws in place to protect them should be dependable. But I'm not going to call anyone who happens to find a teenager attractive a pedophile. They act on it, not cool. They admire but keep their hands off, totally cool.
Anyhow, to wrap this up, this is an opinion thing. As long as we can all realize that no one person's opinion runs this show but Laurel's, I think things might snap into perspective. It's all very well to say that you're outraged about something, but if you don't like something you can always find a different way to spend your time. As so many have said, just don't open the durn story.
I was not going to post here again and bump this thread, but I really would like to say, thanks for posting this. You very articulatlty said what I was trying to say. Funny thing is I was having a conversation with someone about this topic yesterday and he had the same pov. We need to get real about sex in this country, and take our blinders off. 18 is an arbetrairy legal age, not an absolute moral one. We are all sexual our whole lives through. But heaven forbid we admit it.
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Re: my humble opinion
I'm always very sensative about being clear that my characters are over 18, if there is any suggestion that they are not (high school, teenager, young girl, school-girl or whatever) However sometimes you feel like acnowledging in a sidewinding way that your character was NOT a virgin til her 18th birthday and that teenagers do indeed have ****edited for content********
On the one hand, I kind of agree with you. On the other hand, I am 28 and still look like jail-bait. If I wrote a story that was about ME, I would have to change that detail and sometimes I don't mind, sometimes I do. Since all of my stories are ultimatley about my fantasy, I feel that my situation and who I am is totaly legitamate. I really am an adult who looks like a teenager. What comes out of my mind and experience is likely to reflect that, and its frustrating to have that part of who I am stiffled because someone thinks I'm writing "kiddie porn" or endorsing pedophilia.
Even worse than that, when I was 18, I actully looked like a well developed 12 year old. I was told that nearly every day, and it got worse when I turned 21 and everyone said, "are you sure you don't have that backwards?" These days I have to explain my age a lot bc my oldest child is 9 years old. So what sounds perverse to some is a daily fact of my life. I don't think that every guy who hits on me without seeing my id is a pedophile (even if he does probably think I'm a teenager). And I have to say I get more than my fair share of adult male attention.
I wonder if I wrote a story adressing this issue if it would be allowed? I actually have a few ideas that would make good if controversial stories.
CrownJoolz said:I have much less of a problem with projecting into the future when a celebrity comes of legal age than I do with some of the stories that really push the envelope.
There's another story which is in the Toplist which clearly states the girl is 18, but could pass for at least 3 years younger. And I've seen this tactic used in quite a few other stories as well.
Those kinds of things bother me. They skirt the rules and they blur the line between erotica and kiddie porn. I personally don't think the Olsen Twins at their 18th birthday party fall into that category. The celebrity category, in my mind, is mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.
JMHO.
Joolz
I'm always very sensative about being clear that my characters are over 18, if there is any suggestion that they are not (high school, teenager, young girl, school-girl or whatever) However sometimes you feel like acnowledging in a sidewinding way that your character was NOT a virgin til her 18th birthday and that teenagers do indeed have ****edited for content********
On the one hand, I kind of agree with you. On the other hand, I am 28 and still look like jail-bait. If I wrote a story that was about ME, I would have to change that detail and sometimes I don't mind, sometimes I do. Since all of my stories are ultimatley about my fantasy, I feel that my situation and who I am is totaly legitamate. I really am an adult who looks like a teenager. What comes out of my mind and experience is likely to reflect that, and its frustrating to have that part of who I am stiffled because someone thinks I'm writing "kiddie porn" or endorsing pedophilia.
Even worse than that, when I was 18, I actully looked like a well developed 12 year old. I was told that nearly every day, and it got worse when I turned 21 and everyone said, "are you sure you don't have that backwards?" These days I have to explain my age a lot bc my oldest child is 9 years old. So what sounds perverse to some is a daily fact of my life. I don't think that every guy who hits on me without seeing my id is a pedophile (even if he does probably think I'm a teenager). And I have to say I get more than my fair share of adult male attention.
I wonder if I wrote a story adressing this issue if it would be allowed? I actually have a few ideas that would make good if controversial stories.
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Well......This is the first time I have joined one of these discussions and I have to say I completely agree with Tamlee and Licksuwell. When reading stories here, I am presuming that the writer is exploring both their fantasies and their literary abilities. Now this may be naive of me, but I personally prefer to believe that stories written are an exploration of sexual fantasy and not necessarily based in any reality.
Therefore I see any and all subjects as relatively harmless, unless I feel there is intent there. I personally have never bothered to read any of the celebrity stories, simply because they do not interest me personally. If you are reading them, I would presume that they interest you on a sexual level, seeing as this is basically an adult site, working with authors and readers of sexual stories.
My personal feelings are that we can go where we like in our heads, that doesn't necessarily mean we would like to make these thoughts a reality. If I were reading letters of people boasting about taking advantage of children, then I would be first in line to make criticism.
Therefore I see any and all subjects as relatively harmless, unless I feel there is intent there. I personally have never bothered to read any of the celebrity stories, simply because they do not interest me personally. If you are reading them, I would presume that they interest you on a sexual level, seeing as this is basically an adult site, working with authors and readers of sexual stories.
My personal feelings are that we can go where we like in our heads, that doesn't necessarily mean we would like to make these thoughts a reality. If I were reading letters of people boasting about taking advantage of children, then I would be first in line to make criticism.
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From what I understand, the primary reason under 18s are strictly not allowed has more to do with the government than the site owner's personal preferences in the matter.
For the so-called land of the free, this country is not tolerant fantasies they find disturbing.
For the so-called land of the free, this country is not tolerant fantasies they find disturbing.
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I wish I had lambchop right now.
This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends. Some people started typing it without knowing what it was and they'll continue typing it for ever just because.... This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends, then some people started reading it without knowing what it was and they'll continue reading it forever just befuckingcause......
This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends. Some people started typing it without knowing what it was and they'll continue typing it for ever just because.... This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends, then some people started reading it without knowing what it was and they'll continue reading it forever just befuckingcause......This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends. Some people started typing it without knowing what it was and they'll continue typing it for ever just because.... This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends, then some people started reading it without knowing what it was and they'll continue reading it forever just befuckingcause......This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends. Some people started typing it without knowing what it was and they'll continue typing it for ever just because.... This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends, then some people started reading it without knowing what it was and they'll continue reading it forever just befuckingcause......
Ok thanks I feel better now.
This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends. Some people started typing it without knowing what it was and they'll continue typing it for ever just because.... This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends, then some people started reading it without knowing what it was and they'll continue reading it forever just befuckingcause......
This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends. Some people started typing it without knowing what it was and they'll continue typing it for ever just because.... This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends, then some people started reading it without knowing what it was and they'll continue reading it forever just befuckingcause......This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends. Some people started typing it without knowing what it was and they'll continue typing it for ever just because.... This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends, then some people started reading it without knowing what it was and they'll continue reading it forever just befuckingcause......This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends. Some people started typing it without knowing what it was and they'll continue typing it for ever just because.... This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on My friends, then some people started reading it without knowing what it was and they'll continue reading it forever just befuckingcause......
Ok thanks I feel better now.
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sorry master v
discussion has been moved:
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165434
I just want to let everyone know that i reposted my recent post on a new thread: re my humble opinion.
lets cary on the discussion there and let this thread die down as it ha been harmful to master v.
see you all on the new thread
discussion has been moved:
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165434
I just want to let everyone know that i reposted my recent post on a new thread: re my humble opinion.
lets cary on the discussion there and let this thread die down as it ha been harmful to master v.
see you all on the new thread
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SexyChele said:
Huzzahs!! Chele?? Do you remember me? Woman? It's nice to see you- I thought you had disappeared... And I couldn't have said it better!!
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Enough on the twins
I agree with master V and with the others who think deleting this is a grand idea. ENough is enough and rightfully so new members drawn into this thread have no idea its not the norm Give it a break and let it stop now. Besides I think with his last post it might be interfering with his ability to write although reading his latest horror selections neck still tingling from the visual of his vampire it has definately brought out his dark side and that is to the good He is great in these stories.
I agree with master V and with the others who think deleting this is a grand idea. ENough is enough and rightfully so new members drawn into this thread have no idea its not the norm Give it a break and let it stop now. Besides I think with his last post it might be interfering with his ability to write although reading his latest horror selections neck still tingling from the visual of his vampire it has definately brought out his dark side and that is to the good He is great in these stories.
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Re: Enough on the twins
I'm sorry- you are right!! I really came in to say Hi to Chele!! Let it go... my mouth is taped!! lol
maggie2002 said:
I'm sorry- you are right!! I really came in to say Hi to Chele!! Let it go... my mouth is taped!! lol
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unbelievable
i have posted two stories in the bdsm section. but after reading the pettiness by that bb woman who started this whole debate i will not be posting any more here. how petty can one person be? you are just protesting to protest. the ages were quite obviously posted and if your small mind can't age them 2 years then you have more problems then worrying about someone writing a story about them. it's people like you that make these sites lose business. if you are the type of person that is reading stories here then i have no desire to post here anymore. and isnt' it funny that the "bad" people who post these stories did so with the best of intentions and AGED the characters but the self proclaimed "good" people are the ones that can find something totally disgusting and horrid in what was set up to be a perfcetly legitimate ADULT story. I find it disgusting to see children used as sex objects but this was not the case here except in petty peoples minds. You know there are others out there who would shut down this whole site for the same reasons you stated you wanted this story pulled. i wonder what you would tell them?
i have posted two stories in the bdsm section. but after reading the pettiness by that bb woman who started this whole debate i will not be posting any more here. how petty can one person be? you are just protesting to protest. the ages were quite obviously posted and if your small mind can't age them 2 years then you have more problems then worrying about someone writing a story about them. it's people like you that make these sites lose business. if you are the type of person that is reading stories here then i have no desire to post here anymore. and isnt' it funny that the "bad" people who post these stories did so with the best of intentions and AGED the characters but the self proclaimed "good" people are the ones that can find something totally disgusting and horrid in what was set up to be a perfcetly legitimate ADULT story. I find it disgusting to see children used as sex objects but this was not the case here except in petty peoples minds. You know there are others out there who would shut down this whole site for the same reasons you stated you wanted this story pulled. i wonder what you would tell them?
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Just to clear up something, fictional stories about people under 18 years of age having sex are not illegal in the USA. However, child pornography is illegal. But "stories" are not child pornography in the eyes of the Courts.
Clearly, fictional stories are not visual depictions. Laurel has chosen to not post stories involving characters under eighteen for personal reasons, not legal. It's her website and she can do as she pleases. If someone doesn't like it, they can go elsewhere to post their stories.
Laurel has stated her opinion on this issue at least once:
Source: https://forum.literotica.com/showth...&perpage=25&highlight=child porn&pagenumber=3
Clearly, fictional stories are not visual depictions. Laurel has chosen to not post stories involving characters under eighteen for personal reasons, not legal. It's her website and she can do as she pleases. If someone doesn't like it, they can go elsewhere to post their stories.
Laurel has stated her opinion on this issue at least once:
Source: https://forum.literotica.com/showth...&perpage=25&highlight=child porn&pagenumber=3
Marxist said:
Laurel said:Not so fast, buster. I asked YOU first.
It has nothing to do with incitement to action. It has to do with personal tastes. I don't want to read stories involving young children. They offend me - not because I think they're harmful, but because I think they're distasteful. It being a privately run site, we can make up whatever rules we deem fit. We also don't allow stories under 750 words. (Not for the same reasons, of course.
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Pookie_grrl said:
Pookie This is clearly the most intelligent , well thought out response I have seen yet. If I go to a bar and I don't like what I see... I go to another bar. If I open a book and don't like what I read, I close it. The woman who started all this brouhaha should have stopped reading and moved on. Let's hope she learns from this... and you who said you were gonna stop posting here? Then you let her win!! Don't do that! Instead write a story about Lil Orphan Annie and Daddy Warbucks... should be interesting cuz Annie never gets old, tho she was born in 1930 something!!
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BooMerengue said:
I know this was not the intent of anyone who responded here, but, after the last 2 posts, I went back to the first of the thread to re-read the initial post. One thing I noticed was the format of the post. Generally, the buttons at the bottom of each post. The original poster, majority of her buttons were missing, as well as her info being "guest" (tho, they could have done that). So I did a search for her, and also looked in the story section since she did have stories posted. I could not find her listed anywhere..... so, I'm wondering, did they leave lit?? (as I said, I know that no one intended to run them off, if they did leave, just was curious. )
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NO she has many other names and I am sure keeping an eye on this thread and giggling. I for one decided not to post here because it is about My stories and I would like to see this thread slide off. If anyone really wants to continue this discussion there is a similar thread started by sweetnpetite. It's called :My humble opinion. Not to be an ass but too much was made of this to start with and I think for the sake of not posting more nonesense here everyone should post their ideas on that thread.
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She had a high drama, sweeping into the General Board like Scarlett after Ashley, and asked, nay, demanded that Laurel remove all of her stories and close her account because no one liked her anymore.
She already had one of her alter-egos set up and running and she's apparently developed another one since she left.
Go Tiggsy go.
She'll never leave. She'll just pretend she does.
She already had one of her alter-egos set up and running and she's apparently developed another one since she left.
Go Tiggsy go.
She'll never leave. She'll just pretend she does.
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