Loving Wives vs Cuckold

[Luv4hotwives]

This is a perfectly reasonable and understanding position. But consider the alternative position -- that it might be better to put up with some flak if the upside is that you will get a lot more readers and fans by posting in Loving Wives. Is it better to have a smaller, but more overall approving group of readers, or a larger group of readers, some of whom will give you flak but many of whom will love your story?

The fact of the matter is that Loving Wives is the second most popular story category, after Incest, and it draws both the BTB readers AND the hotwife/cuckold readers, in greater numbers than other categories do. So that's something to consider. The problem with posting a story of this type in Fetish or Erotic Couplings is that's not where the fans of these stories are typically headed to find a story they want to read.

I've had good luck publishing hot wife stories in Exhibitionism and Voyeur because my stories of this type typically have strong exhibitionist elements. I've gotten a few "anti-cuck" criticisms, but not many.

I hadn’t considered that. Now that you mention it I had submitted a story in the fetish category and when it was published it seemed the reviewer included it in the exhibitionism category instead. I didn’t think anything of it then, but looking now it looks like it got a lot more exposure.

For me I think part of being hesitant about LW is I that submitted a story that admittedly just sucked. Regardless of the content it wasn’t very good. I think that amplified the reaction to the content which in addition to being cuck was heavy into humiliation. That one should have been in fetish and maybe not written at all lol.

I think I will try to branch out of fetish a little more when appropriate. Might try to further improve my skills before attempting LW again though.

 

[Luv4hotwives]

Honestly, my thought is that splitting it into a separate category would be even worse. The point of “if you don’t like it, why keep reading it” is sort of the proof. The toxic members are making a bad faith argument. They’re not mad those stories are being “forced” onto them. They legit hate those stories and cheating women and get off on review bombing and rage commenting. If there was a Cuckold section, I guarantee they would all flood it and downvote everything in there.

You are probably right on that account. I’m sure it would just present a big target. Besides if they start creating unique categories for anything someone might find objectionable then there would have to be a lot more categories on this site.

 

[Mainefiddleheads]

I have had a varied and good sex life over the years, and have personally sampled many of the categories listed here, even including some fetish stuff.

However, I spend much of my time on this board in the Loving Wives and Exhibition and Voyeur sections, mostly because of the many good memories with wives and girlfriends in my past.

However, if I open a story, and it starts down the cuckold or humiliation path, 99% of the time I exit out and don't even bother reading the rest, as it is a waste of time and doesn't relate to me or my experience at all.

I believe that they should be two separate categories, as apparently that is a turn-on for some readers, or it wouldn't written about.

The cuckold thing is part of the genre and whether observers want to admit it or not, cuckoldry runs through most stories on the board whether RAAC or BTB or outright surrendered cuckoldry. I think it would be nearly impossible to carve it out of LW although story tags would help a great deal if the story is willing or 'sissy' cuckoldry. I almost always pass on the latter once I see the direction of the story.

MFH

 

[Abbafan]

The cuckold thing is part of the genre and whether observers want to admit it or not, cuckoldry runs through most stories on the board whether RAAC or BTB or outright surrendered cuckoldry. I think it would be nearly impossible to carve it out of LW although story tags would help a great deal if the story is willing or 'sissy' cuckoldry. I almost always pass on the latter once I see the direction of the story.

MFH

It makes sense to see it as a subcategory of loving wives, I can see the reasoning behind it,but I don't see how it would be impossible to carve it out as its own category. I'm not criticizing how they do the categories, but nothing would stop them from putting the stories in which a man enjoys getting cucked into their own.

In most cases, it wouldn't be hard to make a distinction between stories where the husband is being cucked and is into it and other types of stories that involve a wife having sex with someone other than her husband. The readers can see the difference with most of these Loving Wives stories - just look at some of the comments they can get.

Make it the Happy Cucks category or something like that. There will be a few stories where category lines are crossed or not obvious, but that happens with other categories as well. I'm not sure it would matter, based on reasons others have given in this thread, but it could be done in theory.

 

[MilkFountain]

Thank you!

Being a hotwife or a hotgirlfriend is totally different than a woman that cucks a guy. I like being shared but the idea of cucking a guy seems sick to me and I don't like those stories and don't read them. So I wish there was a section just for hotwives and hotgirlfriends.

I think that the concept of sharing a wife or a girlfriend with other guys is probably one of the fastest growing sex trends at this time. That is because once a couple try it they are hooked and start telling trusted friends how fun it is. But the desire for a woman to humiliate a guy or for a guy to be humiliated does not have the same wide appeal that makes guys love having a hot woman.

YOUR WORDS: "I think that the concept of sharing a wife or a girlfriend with other guys is probably one of the fastest growing sex trends at this time." IS, IN MY EXPERIENCE, TRUE.

I've talked extensively with my wife about this. She says that our relationship--my exclusive focus on her, while we celebrate her sexuality, makes her feel secure in our relationship, and feel loved. (She says that feeling free to enjoy another man, even love him, has made her love me more.)

She's also said that in the early stages of our marriage when we were monogamous, she only had a full-blown climax once: on a half-drunken evening while making love with me after she had gotten into a really arousing dry-hump while dancing with a man she'd met at the friend's home where we'd had dinner.

Since we'd become a loving wife loved by her husband, she's begun climaxing more and more often, and more strongly than she believed possible.

And . . . the adventures we've enjoyed are amazing.

 

[daggett]

When I first started reading Lit in the early 2000’s I was attracted to the Loving Wives section because of some chat I’d had with someone on line. Wife sharing/watching was one of those fantasies that I knew would never happen for me in real life, but the fantasy of it was still a turn on. I say “wife sharing” because it was more about the couple entering into something to enhance their sexual relationships. It was an agreement of mutual respect. Kind of a “I take pleasure and enjoy watching you been pleasured by someone else, but at the end of the day there is still us. No disrespect. No holding what you did against you”. At the time I may have heard the word “cuckold” before it I certainly wasn’t sure what it meant. The stories at that time were more about couples sharing an experience than about the wife enjoying humiliating the husband. Fast forward to 2020 and most LW stories are either the infamous BTB stories or have a conservative mild-mannered wife turning into an “Eat that cum from my pussy, you asshole!” pseudo dom within 5 paragraphs. I much prefer the “sharing” stories to the “cuckold” type. In my mind I can’t see how a relationship, even in fantasy, works without respect for each other. Fiction relies on suspension of disbelief. You don’t the reader to have one of those, “This can’t happen” moments intruding on your story. Good stories keep you involved and immersed. I guess the increase in the more cuckold type stories are a product of our more aggressive and less respectful times. Just my two cents.

 

[yowser]

The main trouble in LW comes down to definitions. Everyone who has chimed in here is aware that 'wife sharing' or 'hotwife' is not necessarily a cuckold scenario, and consent can be included, etc. But a large and vocal minority (majority?) of LW readers refuse to accept a logical definition of 'cuckold.'

To them, if a wife has any sort of non-monogamous sex (or even desires) it is automatically 'cuck shit.'

And that's when the nasty commentary comes in, which is vicious and blindly raging enough to discourage many authors who would rather not deal with the fallout. One of my favorite series is there and I won't stop posting there, but it is not a category for the thin-skinned. It's unfortunate, since a lot of good stories could exist there.

Make it the Happy Cucks category or something like that.

I love this idea.

 

[UltimateHomeBody]

It would help if writers used the tags correctly. Save having to read even a few lines of a story that could make you puke.
Easiest way in LW to gauge if cuck, btb, hotwife etc is to look at the stars. Generally 4+ is BTB, 2 or less is cuck or hotwife. 3 star rating is either bad BTB or an extremely well written vomit story.
Of course occassionally some brave soul tries a story about a normal, horny, happily married couple. Those just get confusing being an oxymoron of adjectives.

 

[SimonDoom]

Make it the Happy Cucks category or something like that. .

But why? There's only one justification given: these stories bother the BTB crowd so much that they make them mad. Or even "make them puke."

Really? Isn't that extraordinarily childish? If you don't like a story's topic, move on. Live and let live. If you feel the need to spoil others' fun with invective and childish comments, you're a child. You're not an adult.

This is not a sound reason for the Site to feel obligated to do anything for anyone. Grow up and enjoy your stories and let others enjoy theirs.

The readers who DO like these stories WANT them to be in Loving Wives, where they have been, historically, for 20 years, and where they can be ensured of having the largest number of appreciative readers (even if many others are not appreciative). It is therefore logical from the standpoint of both the Site and readers as a whole to leave these stories in Loving Wives.

Authors, and the Site, could perhaps to do more to tag these stories more accurately so that reader groups have the information needed to sort themselves appropriately. That seems sensible to me. But if you are an LW reader who doesn't like these stories, and you don't check out the tags, you have no cause to complain about them or bomb them. Take some of the responsibility yourself. Read the tags and description and don't read it if it doesn't appeal.

The Site is not going to break apart the category and "hot wife" story authors aren't going to go elsewhere. Respect them, live and let live, and move on and read the stories you like.

 

[RoperTrace]

Loving wives?

I wrote and published a story here on Lit.com titled:
Cindy Gets Gangbanged.....and a reader gave me negative comments about it being a Loving Wives story?? It was clearly labeled as Non Consent/Reluctance. How in the world would he/she draw that conclusion as a Loving Wives from the title alone? It was written over fifteen years ago, and not one of my better works, but it's my second most read story.

 

[tomlitilia]

If there was a Cuckold section, I guarantee they would all flood it and downvote everything in there.

I am convinced this is true. I have a LW series where comments made by poor annon made it obvious he (because it is always a he) had suffered through all previous chapters. If they come back to read additional chapters of a story with themes they don't like (or tell themselves they don't), they are going to seek out these stories even if they are moved to a separate category. Also, Literotica now makes the tags available at the top. If readers truly want to avoid certain themes, that's already possible.

In addition, I'll bring up the same point I always do when this comes up: it is not always a clear cut between cuckold and hotwife. Many of the best (IMHO) LW stories balance on the edge, not making it obvious until towards the end whether the husband is willing to share his wife or not. Where would such a story go if the category is split into two?

 

[mletrout]

Shoot. I wrote a story about four guys in a barbershop quartet who are hopelessly in love with their wives, so they go around the neighborhood serenading them, and then it makes the local papers, goes national, and they end up with a huge record deal and get offered their own variety show in Vegas, but they really don’t want to leave their small town. And since it’s about guys loving their wives I used the loving wives category.

Now it turns out that loving wives is about wives loving other men? WTF? See, this is why I don’t post stories on Literotica. I guess I’d better go move it to the “Reluctant” category it before some reader starts yelling about how the loving wives aren’t loving anyone except their own husbands, who knew that would be bad?

 

[HotwifeAddict]

Being a hotwife or a hotgirlfriend is totally different than a woman that cucks a guy. I like being shared but the idea of cucking a guy seems sick to me and I don't like those stories and don't read them. So I wish there was a section just for hotwives and hotgirlfriends.

I think that the concept of sharing a wife or a girlfriend with other guys is probably one of the fastest growing sex trends at this time. That is because once a couple try it they are hooked and start telling trusted friends how fun it is. But the desire for a woman to humiliate a guy or for a guy to be humiliated does not have the same wide appeal that makes guys love having a hot woman.

This says it all for me,I'm completely consumed by the Hotwife concept,I have no interest in Cuckold,humiliation,domination etc.

I've read some Hotwife stuff in Loving Wives and Novels and Novellas,but didn't realise there were Hotwife content in other categories.

Wouldn't it just be easier to have a Hotwife category?

 

[gordo12]

And since it’s about guys loving their wives I used the loving wives category.

Now it turns out that loving wives is about wives loving other men? WTF? See, this is why I don’t post stories on Literotica. I guess I’d better go move it to the “Reluctant” category it before some reader starts yelling about how the loving wives aren’t loving anyone except their own husbands, who knew that would be bad?

No, the problem in a nutshell for the last twenty years is new authors not bothering to read category descriptions. Loving wives! That sounds perfect.

It's not just you, but there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of writers doing that. It does get frustrating for readers that have put twenty years into our perversions here

So you did post. In Romantic. The Good Wife, excellent story, by the way. And you got a great reception and score. That wouldn't have happened in LW, even though the story COULD have gone there.

 

[tomlitilia]

This says it all for me,I'm completely consumed by the Hotwife concept,I have no interest in Cuckold,humiliation,domination etc.

I've read some Hotwife stuff in Loving Wives and Novels and Novellas,but didn't realise there were Hotwife content in other categories.

Wouldn't it just be easier to have a Hotwife category?

You can search by tags such as hotwife, hot wife, wife sharing etc. I have stories in Exhibitionism & Voyeur and Group Sex that have such tags. Many stories have multiple themes, and it's not always obvious in which category a story belongs. Tags are more useful.

 

[mletrout]

No, the problem in a nutshell for the last twenty years is new authors not bothering to read category descriptions. Loving wives! That sounds perfect.

It's not just you, but there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of writers doing that. It does get frustrating for readers that have put twenty years into our perversions here

So you did post. In Romantic. The Good Wife, excellent story, by the way. And you got a great reception and score. That wouldn't have happened in LW, even though the story COULD have gone there.

I see what you mean. “Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more” — I should have made my barbershop quartet a swing band! No wonder people got upset.

Thanks for your generous comments, I appreciate it very much. It’s nice to get a positive response from the readers as well. I wanted to write a cuckold story without the cuckolding, but that’s been done to death. So, I wrote about a wife who actually loves her husband. I figured nobody would ever expect a plot twist like that!

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I have had a varied and good sex life over the years, and have personally sampled many of the categories listed here, even including some fetish stuff.

However, I spend much of my time on this board in the Loving Wives and Exhibition and Voyeur sections, mostly because of the many good memories with wives and girlfriends in my past.

However, if I open a story, and it starts down the cuckold or humiliation path, 99% of the time I exit out and don't even bother reading the rest, as it is a waste of time and doesn't relate to me or my experience at all.

I believe that they should be two separate categories, as apparently that is a turn-on for some readers, or it wouldn't written about.

My personal opinion is that authors should be descriptive enough when posting their stories to allow readers to understand more of the context before choosing to read it. Selecting the appropriate tags and putting some effort into the short description would benefit a lot of people.

If that was done, the placement within the various categories could remain as diverse as it is.

 

[HotwifeAddict]

You can search by tags such as hotwife, hot wife, wife sharing etc. I have stories in Exhibitionism & Voyeur and Group Sex that have such tags. Many stories have multiple themes, and it's not always obvious in which category a story belongs. Tags are more useful.

Thank you.

 

[cqiam]

This says it all for me,I'm completely consumed by the Hotwife concept,I have no interest in Cuckold,humiliation,domination etc.

Wouldn't it just be easier to have a Hotwife category?

Agreed. I hate when i pop into the Loving wives section only to end up in story that turns me off instead of on.

I also believe there ought to be a cheating section as well, so I don't end up reading a sob story, which, once again, isn't what I am looking for, but yet pervades the LW section

 

[MilkFountain]

It makes sense to see it as a subcategory of loving wives, I can see the reasoning behind it,but I don't see how it would be impossible to carve it out as its own category. I'm not criticizing how they do the categories, but nothing would stop them from putting the stories in which a man enjoys getting cucked into their own.

In most cases, it wouldn't be hard to make a distinction between stories where the husband is being cucked and is into it and other types of stories that involve a wife having sex with someone other than her husband. The readers can see the difference with most of these Loving Wives stories - just look at some of the comments they can get.

Make it the Happy Cucks category or something like that. There will be a few stories where category lines are crossed or not obvious, but that happens with other categories as well. I'm not sure it would matter, based on reasons others have given in this thread, but it could be done in theory.

Dear Abbafan, please re-write this so that it is organized and clear. You've made it abundantly obvious to anyone reading that you don't care if we understand you or not.

I.e., your above message is carelessly incoherent and incomprehensible. Was that your intention?

All non-writers will at this point protest, saying, "It's perfectly clear! Anybody would understand this! Why don't YOU understand me?" (Please reconsider).

 

[Dave_in_a_Cage]

My personal opinion is that authors should be descriptive enough when posting their stories to allow readers to understand more of the context before choosing to read it. Selecting the appropriate tags and putting some effort into the short description would benefit a lot of people.

If that was done, the placement within the various categories could remain as diverse as it is.

I posted my first story and the description only allowed me 60 characters worth of text. Unless I'm missing something, exactly how descriptive can an author be - and how informed can a reader get - when dealing with sixty characters?

If there's a different/better way to (other than tags) to say, "This is what my story is about..." I'd really like to know what it is. Thanks.

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Also, on an unrelated note, why did I get a personal message from Fly33:

Hey. I am looking for a partner for a virtual sex conversation! My private photos and videos are here - www.ddad𝚒ng.info. My nickname is LoveGagging21

Isn't that against some rule somewhere?

 

[HotwifeAddict]

Agreed. I hate when i pop into the Loving wives section only to end up in story that turns me off instead of on.

I also believe there ought to be a cheating section as well, so I don't end up reading a sob story, which, once again, isn't what I am looking for, but yet pervades the LW section

Agree wholeheartedly,we have very similar tastes it seems.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Also, on an unrelated note, why did I get a personal message from Fly33:



Isn't that against some rule somewhere?

Because they're a spammer. Please don't make it easier for them by reposting their spammy link here!

 

[SimpleEnigma]

Being a hotwife or a hotgirlfriend is totally different than a woman that cucks a guy. I like being shared but the idea of cucking a guy seems sick to me and I don't like those stories and don't read them. So I wish there was a section just for hotwives and hotgirlfriends.

I think that the concept of sharing a wife or a girlfriend with other guys is probably one of the fastest growing sex trends at this time. That is because once a couple try it they are hooked and start telling trusted friends how fun it is. But the desire for a woman to humiliate a guy or for a guy to be humiliated does not have the same wide appeal that makes guys love having a hot woman.

Agreed. Not all men who share their wives/girlfriends are "wimpy" or gay, as so many toxic comments seem to think they are. There is a subset that are and I wish them well, I simply want to point out of that of the couples my wife and I run with, maybe 5% of those guys enjoy the humiliation factor or are, in fact, bisexual. But the overwhelming majority of us are just dudes. We aren't gay, we don't take kindly to being dominated or put down, we just enjoy seeing our significant others enjoying the ultimate act of intimacy with others. Especially us older guys who every once in a while, to the delight of our wives, let the younger guys do the heavy lifting. There is never any humiliation or degrading of anyone because we respect each other's feelings (and no, "his cock is soooo big" doesn't qualify as humiliation, its just a fact. Now, "his cock is soooo much bigger than yours"...yeah, but the girls don't ever go there. Again, not respectful.

That doesn't mean we don't push each other's hot buttons, which we all have. "Do you want to see him fuck me?", "Do you want his cock, Sally?", "Watch him cum on me, John", but that isn't degrading (to us anyway), its just playing on emotions that are there anyway.

So my point: I would bet that a good number of those who come to Literotica to enjoy hotwife/wife sharing stories without the humiliation would gravitate to a separate category if there was one. However, as I previously posted in this thread, where does it then stop? "I like Incest, but only mom and son, no brother or sister please, so please make a different category. I like Group Sex, but only between friends, not strangers, so please make a different category."

No disrespect to those of you here who feel there should be sub-categories. I'm not necessarily disagreeing. Its just that it seems a lot of this is driven by all these self-absorbed assholes who visit a porn site like this but still think they are morally superior, those who just can't stop reading a story they don't like and move on, and are somehow tragically and irreversibly traumatized because they choose to CONTINUE to read that story, that create the artificial need for something that may not be needed at all.

 

[SimonDoom]

So my point: I would bet that a good number of those who come to Literotica to enjoy hotwife/wife sharing stories without the humiliation would gravitate to a separate category if there was one. However, as I previously posted in this thread, where does it then stop? "I like Incest, but only mom and son, no brother or sister please, so please make a different category. I like Group Sex, but only between friends, not strangers, so please make a different category."

You've hit the nail on the head, and this is why this isn't going to happen. From the Site's point of view, and from the point of view of many readers, it just wouldn't be desirable to break the categories, of which there are already many, into even more.'

There are some readers, after all, who DO like the full variety of different kinds of Loving Wives stories, and wouldn't want the category broken up. I wouldn't want it broken up, for instance. If you're an astute reader you can usually avoid unpleasant surprises.