Monogamous or polyamorous?

[Very_Bad_Man]

Not all women receive vaginal stimulation.
All you need is friction, and you can change your angle to hit the G-spot. You'd know that if you'd had sex with a woman, I guess. (see what I did there?)

Ah, right. Pseudo study, 'cause Nasty' says so.
Ejaculation occurs in the vagina, not necessarily against the cervix. From there the semen travel through the cervical plug (assuming it's lax enough, when the woman's fertile) and onwards to the egg. Even in modern day humans impregnation can occur up to 12 hours after copulation.


That was superfluous. You're definitely neither a scientist, nor brilliant.
Your biased, singular personal experience doesn't hold a candle to evolution, which is the experience of the entire species.



Generally females go in heat at a predisposed time. Males fight for them and get to impregnate 'em. But how does the stronger male know for a fact it's not his offspring? They can't tell...they don't have DNA tests in the jungle.

In the wild males kill offspring to make the females fertile again- a nursing mother is generally not fertile and not receptive to a male's sexual advances.


Why is that?
How does adding more noise to the experiment benefit the study?

And are you saying that simulations are worthless? I wouldn't have expected that from a pilot.

We can draw analogies from other animals (you know, the ones you see on TV, that you've based your "the strongest male" breeds claim on.

Here: a book that shows how various animals scoop out and get rid of rivals' sperm.


The coronal ridge thing may well go back very far into prehistory, before primates.

I'm being malevolent, though I shouldn't be. You've not studied how to do studies (and you hold that against me. Fallacious side tracking, btw), whereas I have. The purpose of the study was to test what impact the ridge might have as opposed to a ridgeless penis. They found it scooped out the goop, significantly more goop than a ridgeless penis. Does it look...irrelevant to real life? Maybe. But that's not germaneto the study- it's been found that, in the absence of other factors (real life humans fucking- It'd be a bitch to get that experiment approved!), a ridge scoops out more semen than otherwise. Does that explain the whole act of copulation, and evolution as a whole? Newp. But it does tell us something about the ridge...and there are a lot of ridged penises out there...

According to episodes on National Geographic the new Alpha male does know his offspring. THey have observed male lions killing newborn's and even adult male hippos killing other offspring. Maybe it's the scent I don't know.

Regarding your reply about artificial sexual organs versus the real thing. I'm not intending to be mean or taking a cheap shot but you do give the impression of not having much practical sexual experience. Either that or you are just being a devils advocate.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Excuse me if I missed this being mentioned, but I wanted to throw in what health risks multiple partners pose for women. I figured the Mayo Clinic would be reputable enough. It's for cervical cancer and multiple partners, early sex and STD's increase your risk. Cervical cancer can be fatal, but the death rate in declining. It's what we have pap smears for. I remember when I first learned this.....I thought, gee, back in that sexual revolution I lived through in the late 60's when the pill came in, no one mentioned this!!!!

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cervical-cancer/DS00167/DSECTION=risk-factors

Risk factors
By Mayo Clinic staff


These factors may increase your risk of cervical cancer:

Many sexual partners. The greater your number of sexual partners — and the greater your partner's number of sexual partners — the greater your chance of acquiring HPV.
Early sexual activity. Having sex before age 18 increases your risk of HPV.
Other sexually transmitted infections (STIs). If you have other STIs — such as chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis or HIV/AIDS — the greater your chance is of also having HPV.
A weak immune system. Most women who are infected with HPV never develop cervical cancer. However, if you have an HPV infection and your immune system is weakened by another health condition, you may be more likely to develop cervical cancer.
Cigarette smoking. Smoking and HPV infection may work together to cause cervical cancer.


By the way, Stella, I always enjoy your posts!!

Thank you, Verinka

While it is true that one takes more chances with infection when one raises one's tally of sex partners ( pompous language FTW) I strongly feel that the risks are often worth it. Cancer is horrifying, sure. So is loneliness, stultification, depression brought on by the physical isolation so many of us live with.

I like sex, and I like it with a lot of people. I stopped making that contact for six years and I am just now coming out of a depression which was concurrent-- the very moment my depression started to lift, my interest in sexual partners returned. I'll take my chances with cervical cancer-- oh wait since to me "sex" almost never means "penis in vagina" and some of those dangers are specifically related to hetero sex practices...

I'm feeling pretty cocky, all told

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

While it is true that one takes more chances with infection when one raises one's tally of sex partners ( pompous language FTW) I strongly feel that the risks are often worth it. Cancer is horrifying, sure. So is loneliness, stultification, depression brought on by the physical isolation so many of us live with.

I have to agree with this. Illness and medical conditions brought on by stress, loneliness and depression is a wide spread problem today. Perhaps even more wide spread than STDs. Never before have people had the ability to communicate so well, yet feel so lonely and isolated at the same time.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Thank you, Verinka

While it is true that one takes more chances with infection when one raises one's tally of sex partners ( pompous language FTW) I strongly feel that the risks are often worth it. Cancer is horrifying, sure. So is loneliness, stultification, depression brought on by the physical isolation so many of us live with.

I like sex, and I like it with a lot of people. I stopped making that contact for six years and I am just now coming out of a depression which was concurrent-- the very moment my depression started to lift, my interest in sexual partners returned. I'll take my chances with cervical cancer-- oh wait since to me "sex" almost never means "penis in vagina" and some of those dangers are specifically related to hetero sex practices...

I'm feeling pretty cocky, all told

I have to agree with this. Illness and medical conditions brought on by stress, loneliness and depression is a wide spread problem today. Perhaps even more wide spread than STDs. Never before have people had the ability to communicate so well, yet feel so lonely and isolated at the same time.

I am far from being an expert but I don't see multiple sex partners as a cure for depression though it is a great placebo. I do not feel that wide spread depression has as much to do with sex as it does in its effect on our sex lives. I think wide spread depression has more to do with the pressures of the rat race we live in. Though it is without a doubt different from person to person.

I'm not trying to be a moralistic prig because believe me I am far from it. I am probably one of the biggest whores you will meet. My gypsy lifestyle does not really allow for a long lasting relationship so I am very content with fucking as many woman as I can in my travels. My sex life generally revolves around flight attendants, waitresses, the lone traveling female I meet in the airports. While the sex is physically gratifying it rarely satisfies me emotionally. But as I have always been a bit of a maverick this lifestyle is fine with me.

I do not think most people can deal with a poly-amorous relationships. Jealousy inevitably rears its head. A lot of people talk smack on these boards. Much of it is just their fantasies they are playing out. I think if most here would set aside the caricature they have created on this board and were being honest the true answers would manifest. Most people would explode if the person they were in love with was fucking others.

Jealousy is something that will never be cured and we all suffer from it in one form or another.

 

[teknight]

According to episodes on National Geographic the new Alpha male does know his offspring. THey have observed male lions killing newborn's and even adult male hippos killing other offspring. Maybe it's the scent I don't know.

Regarding your reply about artificial sexual organs versus the real thing. I'm not intending to be mean or taking a cheap shot but you do give the impression of not having much practical sexual experience. Either that or you are just being a devils advocate.

Your logic is flawed. Just 'cause it kills the other offspring, it doesn't mean it knows it own.

That's not a germane reply- it's just an ad hominem, like the one below:

Not to be mean or taking a cheap shot, but you and N_D seem to be ignorant and kind of daft. Also, you, VBM sound like you might have an anxiety disorder, possibly PTSD.

You've yet to answer what using real people has to do with figuring out the purpose of the ridge (which was what the study was doing). What? Fucking isn't fucking if people aren't fucking?

As for jealousy and polyamory:
There are other societies out there where polygamy (and even polyandry) are the norm. We in the West are taught about the virtues of love and faithfulness. We indeed don't have the language with which to express love very well, with many nuances, especially where more than one person is involved. At most we can say "But I love X too." If you'd read up on polyamory, you'd see that those dedicated to free love have created their own jargon to deal with this particular issue (alas, they still deal with jealousy, in the west...And then there's the stigma associated with free love and sexuality in general, women's sexuality in particular).
What I'm getting at is that this jealousy might well be a culturally taught thing and not some sort of default norm.

Of course, this too shall fall on deaf ears...

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

Your logic is flawed. Just 'cause it kills the other offspring, it doesn't mean it knows it own.

That's not a germane reply- it's just an ad hominem, like the one below:

Not to be mean or taking a cheap shot, but you and N_D seem to be ignorant and kind of daft. Also, you, VBM sound like you might have an anxiety disorder, possibly PTSD.

You've yet to answer what using real people has to do with figuring out the purpose of the ridge (which was what the study was doing). What? Fucking isn't fucking if people aren't fucking?

As for jealousy and polyamory:
There are other societies out there where polygamy (and even polyandry) are the norm. We in the West are taught about the virtues of love and faithfulness. We indeed don't have the language with which to express love very well, with many nuances, especially where more than one person is involved. At most we can say "But I love X too." If you'd read up on polyamory, you'd see that those dedicated to free love have created their own jargon to deal with this particular issue (alas, they still deal with jealousy, in the west...And then there's the stigma associated with free love and sexuality in general, women's sexuality in particular).
What I'm getting at is that this jealousy might well be a culturally taught thing and not some sort of default norm.

Of course, this too shall fall on deaf ears...

I'll have to use a dictionary to look up the big words, but I will try to keep up with your wisdom as best I can.

Although I have to admit, the thought of your professor using a rubber dildo and a blow-up doll to discover the true purpose of the male dickhead does bring a really amusing mental image to mind. I can see it all in my mind's eye, your professor in the lab, moaning while masturbating a blow-up doll with a rubber dildo. I hope he isn’t using public funds; I would hate to think that I am paying for his fetish.

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

There are other societies out there where polygamy (and even polyandry) are the norm.

I would like to know more about these societies where polygamy and polyandry are the norm. Are these societies in developed countries, or obscure tribes in places like the Amazon basin?

 

[teknight]

I would like to know more about these societies where polygamy and polyandry are the norm. Are these societies in developed countries, or obscure tribes in places like the Amazon basin?

Also South East Asia.
What does economic development have to do with anything?
Monogamy's not the norm, as evidenced by these societies. Monogamy's not the norm anyway, given how many people cheat on their partners.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Your logic is flawed. Just 'cause it kills the other offspring, it doesn't mean it knows it own.

That's not a germane reply- it's just an ad hominem, like the one below:

Not to be mean or taking a cheap shot, but you and N_D seem to be ignorant and kind of daft. Also, you, VBM sound like you might have an anxiety disorder, possibly PTSD.

You've yet to answer what using real people has to do with figuring out the purpose of the ridge (which was what the study was doing). What? Fucking isn't fucking if people aren't fucking?

As for jealousy and polyamory:
There are other societies out there where polygamy (and even polyandry) are the norm. We in the West are taught about the virtues of love and faithfulness. We indeed don't have the language with which to express love very well, with many nuances, especially where more than one person is involved. At most we can say "But I love X too." If you'd read up on polyamory, you'd see that those dedicated to free love have created their own jargon to deal with this particular issue (alas, they still deal with jealousy, in the west...And then there's the stigma associated with free love and sexuality in general, women's sexuality in particular).
What I'm getting at is that this jealousy might well be a culturally taught thing and not some sort of default norm.

Of course, this too shall fall on deaf ears...

Okay Look asshat. This is not my logic it is what the scientist say regarding the animals.

After careful consideration and reading your diatribes it is painfully obvious that you have never fucked a woman. You have very little if any experiences sexually with a woman. What goes on with your cock and the various plastics you stick has very little to do with actual real pussy.

My suggestion for you is to go get laid even if you have to pay for it. I am laughing so hard my sides hurt. Good lord this shit is funny. The self described badboy of Lit is a virgin. Once you actually had your dick in a live pussy come back to me and we will have this discussion regarding artificial models versus the real deal.

By the way jealousy is not culturally taught as it has been witnessed in infants as young as 5 months old. Jealousy is a normal human emotion. Ask any psychiatrist you fucking halfwit.

Ya know I never have a problem with others opinion. Both Stella and Nasty_Deeds opinions just to name two vary from mine. It does not make either of us three wrong as they are opinions based on each individuals experiences. The reason I do not respect yours is the more your lips flap the more it is obvious you lack real life experience.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Also South East Asia.
What does economic development have to do with anything?
Monogamy's not the norm, as evidenced by these societies. Monogamy's not the norm anyway, given how many people cheat on their partners.

Cheating has to do with ones integrity and has little to do with monogamy.

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

Also South East Asia.
What does economic development have to do with anything?
Monogamy's not the norm, as evidenced by these societies. Monogamy's not the norm anyway, given how many people cheat on their partners.

A vague location in SE Asia? Not very much information, I guess you really know.

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

I am far from being an expert but I don't see multiple sex partners as a cure for depression though it is a great placebo. I do not feel that wide spread depression has as much to do with sex as it does in its effect on our sex lives. I think wide spread depression has more to do with the pressures of the rat race we live in. Though it is without a doubt different from person to person.

I was generalizing, (and perhaps lamenting), about the condition of our society today. Sometimes I tend to wander off the subject.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Cheating has to do with ones integrity and has little to do with monogamy.

And many forms of cheating have nothing to do with sex. *nods*

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

I would like to know more about these societies where polygamy and polyandry are the norm. Are these societies in developed countries, or obscure tribes in places like the Amazon basin?

A vague location in SE Asia? Not very much information, I guess you really know.

Polygamy is wide spread in the ancient world. Polyandry is extremely rare. Today Polygamy mostly takes place in what we would term as third world countries such as Africa and Asia. This may or may not have anything to do with religious and/or socio-economic development.

According to studies polygamy and Polyandry have very little if anything to with human sexuality. It had much to do with environmental resources and in most cases a status symbol as women were considered property.

Historically even within societies that allowed polygamy the practice was rare due to the cost of supporting more then one wife. Within polygamous societies multiple wives often was used as a status symbol to denote wealth and power.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Regardless of all the chit chat and the various directions our conversations seem to go. It is my opinion that poly-amorous relationships, based on my experience, is very hard to maintain as we humans are a jealous lot and most of us are not really willing to share.

Even within the swingers culture I have heard this type of statement many times, "I don't care who he/she fucks because I know he only loves me". Even those who do share has jealousy at least regarding where their partners affections lay.

 

[teknight]

How do the polygamist mormon communities deal with jealousy?

Polygamy in SE Asia- Nepal.

 

[teknight]

Regardless of all the chit chat and the various directions our conversations seem to go. It is my opinion that poly-amorous relationships, based on my experience, is very hard to maintain as we humans are a jealous lot and most of us are not really willing to share.

Have you been involved in polyamorous relationships?

 

[Stella_Omega]

ALL relationships are hard to maintain, for hundreds of reasons. It is my opinion that poly relationships can be maintained-- even when jealousy pops up, and yes sometimes it does. But the notion that jealousy trumps all other considerations is mighty self serving. Deal. Get over your bad self.

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

Interestingly, no one has mentioned where polygamy is most commonly practiced in the world, and without a serious problem with jealousy. In Islam, Muslim men are allowed up to 4 wives. Polygamy isn’t done haphazardly in Muslim countries; the Koran provides strict guidelines as to how Muslim men may marry. As I understand it, under Islamic law, a man must be able to financially provide a separate household for each wife. Also as I understand it, before a Muslim man can take a second wife, he must have the consent of his first wife, before he marries the first wife. Apparently, becoming a polygamist under Islamic law is not a simple process; however, it does seem to work. I do have to say, if a young man wanted to be a polygamist in a Muslim country, it would certainly give him the incentive to become financially successful.

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

Have you been involved in polyamorous relationships?

LOL, Reading his posts, I think most of VBM's relationships are polyamorous, at least from his point of view.

 

[Stella_Omega]

It's interesting that by "It works" you mean "men can do this." it would be great if the checks and balances were effective, too, but it's hard to tell when the women (who supposedly have a say) have been pretty well brutalised before they even come to negotiate.

And if you-- you, the big strong manly man you are-- asked a twelve year old girl who had just been sold off to you by her father and brothers, involving backroom beatings that YOU, Mr, American, don't want to know about-- -- if YOU, Big Guy, asked her if it were all right for you to take other wives--

Think she'd have the guts to say no?

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

How do the polygamist mormon communities deal with jealousy?

Polygamy in SE Asia- Nepal.

Both polygamy and polyandry are tolerated in Nepal, but it is certainly not the norm.

Polygamy is practiced in the FLDS sect of the Mormon Church, but not in the mainstream LDS Mormon Church. Polygamy works without jealousy in the FLDS sect because it is part of their religion. Those who support the version of the Book of Mormon that the FLDS follows, believe polygamy is the will of God, and those who cannot support that belief, leave the sect.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Both polygamy and polyandry are tolerated in Nepal, but it is certainly not the norm.

Polygamy is practiced in the FLDS sect of the Mormon Church, but not in the mainstream LDS Mormon Church. Polygamy works without jealousy in the FLDS sect because it is part of their religion. Those who support the version of the Book of Mormon that the FLDS follows, believe polygamy is the will of God, and those who cannot support that belief, leave the sect.

"I cannot support this belief, buh-bye."

If only it were that simple to tear oneself away from one's family, hop on a greyhound and take off for parts unknown without a dime in one's pocket or any idea of where one might find safety and security out there.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Have you been involved in polyamorous relationships?

Twice and it did not work out well. I had no issues because as I have stated before my affections are mostly fleeting due to my gypsy lifestyle. While still in the Marine Corps and divorced I did a lot of swinging as a single and being decent looking with a big cock I was rarely turned away.

During this period in my life I entered into two different Poly-amorous relationships. I never did a threesome with my male counterpart or with the females. We all shared a huge house each having our own bedroom. As I was frequently away it was perfect for me because when I was at home I had a warm body to snuggle with and a warm wet pussy to fuck with little concern for STD's as we stayed within our circle.

Invariably I would see the little jealousies start to surface. The females would tell me they were questioned by the other guy with questions like who had the bigger cock or who was the better lover or who do you love more. The girls would ask me the same type of questions in private. Do you think I'm the prettiest, do you like fucking me best, do I give the best head or do you love me best etc etc etc. Soon after shit starts falling apart. Both times it ended ugly.

For myself a poly-amorous relationship is fine as I have very few jealousies as I really do not give a fuck. I am secure and as I have learned from experience no matter how good you are or how big your cock is there is always some dude who is better and bigger. So as long as I get mine and can fulfill her desires at the moment she is with me I am very content.

Currently, there are two flight attendants I fuck regularly. I am very very fond of them. I may even go on to say I even love them. Both are married to other pilots and have open relationships and they tell me they love me all the time so I guess I am in a poly-amorous relationship right now.

I am a very open minded guy sexually as it pertains to my heterosexuality. From experience I think most people are possessive, territorial and jealous and that is why open relationships are not the norm.

I am very well traveled and from what I have seen the places that still employ polygamy are places that woman really have very little rights regardless what it says on paper as their laws. Even with Mormons who practice polygamy the women are 2nd class to the men who is considered the ultimate authority within the house hold. When in a marriage where the man's word is law and women walk with downcast eyes in a state of mind of servitude polygamy is successful. The Mormon woman living in a polygamist household are as brainwashed and cowled by their religion as many other types of Christians are brainwashed by theirs.

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

It's interesting that by "It works" you mean "men can do this." it would be great if the checks and balances were effective, too, but it's hard to tell when the women (who supposedly have a say) have been pretty well brutalised before they even come to negotiate.

And if you-- you, the big strong manly man you are-- asked a twelve year old girl who had just been sold off to you by her father and brothers, involving backroom beatings that YOU, Mr, American, don't want to know about-- -- if YOU, Big Guy, asked her if it were all right for you to take other wives--

Think she'd have the guts to say no?

LOL, now see, here you are on your soapbox again. I didn't say that I supported Islam; I just said that it works for people who do. You gotta stop letting yourself get upset over every little bit of political rhetoric you read on the internet. It's going to give you an aneurism, Either Islam has, or will in our lifetime, surpass the Christian religion in population. From what I have read, about a third of the earth’s population follows Islam, and with that many followers, I cannot believe every Muslim wife is a 12 year old girl beaten into submission.