Monogamous or polyamorous?

Qyron

It would be a complete waste of my time to respond to your posts!

Geez, it should be illegal to teach people to read who are void of common sense.
 
In the “How To” forum, I read thread after thread about sexless marriages where one spouse or the other, for whatever reason, has lost interest in sex. All monogamy does is force one spouse to either forego any sexual pleasure at all, or break social taboos and seek sex outside of their marriage, or get a divorce and break up the family. It is easy to say that a person should remain monogamous no matter what, unless you are the one living in a sexless marriage.

By making polyamory legal and socially acceptable in marriage, all it would do is remove the shame and blame of having sex outside of a sexually unfulfilling marriage. The rest of the marriage would remain the same.
 
In the “How To” forum, I read thread after thread about sexless marriages where one spouse or the other, for whatever reason, has lost interest in sex. All monogamy does is force one spouse to either forego any sexual pleasure at all, or break social taboos and seek sex outside of their marriage, or get a divorce and break up the family. It is easy to say that a person should remain monogamous no matter what, unless you are the one living in a sexless marriage.

By making polyamory legal and socially acceptable in marriage, all it would do is remove the shame and blame of having sex outside of a sexually unfulfilling marriage. The rest of the marriage would remain the same.

Polyamory is totally legal. No one is going to stop you shagging around behind your spouses back. It's grounds for divorce if your partner did not agree to it but it's as legal as brushing your hair.

Open relationships or even situations where you can have sex with others freely as your spouse is no longer interested should be a decision made between partners. It doesn't need to be legally recognised to be allowed.

Bigamy on the other hand is generally illegal.
 
Polyamory is totally legal. No one is going to stop you shagging around behind your spouses back. It's grounds for divorce if your partner did not agree to it but it's as legal as brushing your hair.

Open relationships or even situations where you can have sex with others freely as your spouse is no longer interested should be a decision made between partners. It doesn't need to be legally recognised to be allowed.

Bigamy on the other hand is generally illegal.

Well... you would think it is legal, but ...... Most states in the US have gone to “no fault” divorces, where it is not necessary to show legal grounds for divorce, only irreconcilable differences; however, those states and countries where it is still necessary to show legal cause for divorce, infidelity is legal grounds for divorce. By changing the legal definition of infidelity to permit polyamory in a marriage, it would remove infidelity as grounds for divorce, particularly in states and countries where alimony is an issue.

You would be surprised at how many things we believe are legal, that under specific circumstances, are quite illegal. What is legal in criminal cases, is often against the law in civil court. Criminal law and civil law are very different; however, both can affect a person’s life drastically. Statistically, more people's lives are disrupted by civil law than criminal law.
 
It should remain grounds for divorce. Otherwise polyamory could be forced onto an unwilling partner. Adultery is grounds for divorce for a reason you cannot force people into polyamorous relationships.

However divorce is applied for... therefore if the partner chooses to remain in a relationship where there are more then 2 people it is their choice. The courts cant force you to divorce and adulterous partner.
 
Now, I have had more than one lover in my lifetime, and yes, even more than one lover at the same time in my life before. It was enjoyable but I must say that I enjoy being with one person and really gaining the trust to explore each other in every way possible is much more sexually gratifying for me.
 
Actually, Pplwatching is correct. Marriage in the Catholic Church, (as in many other faiths), is a sacrament, and being so, is a covenant with God. And since no one is forced to follow the Catholic faith, it is also voluntary; however, if in one’s belief in the Catholic Doctrine, one wishes to enter the Kingdom of Heaven upon their physical death, one must adhere to this covenant; including monogamy without divorce. However in reality, few people today actually adhere to their faith, even though they pretend to publically.
If you've read my posts, you may have noticed that I do not attack people for the beliefs and opinions that impact only themselves. "I believe I am a dog?" no problem! :D

It's when what they believe is about other people that I challenge them. The bolded part in your post is sincere but stupid. The social indoctrination that the Catholic church has perfected, for crissake, keeps people in that church even after they've been raped by its priests. It's an incredible force. Sure, lots of people have found out that they can be happy without the religion they were raised in, but don't ever make the mistake of assuming, or talking about it, as if it were easy for everyone. Not if you don't want to derail the convo, anyway.
Whether Catholic Doctrine is Divine Truth, or just BS, is not the point. The point is, everyone has a right to their opinions and beliefs, including Pplwatching. Attacking people simply because of their opinions and beliefs is what makes this world such a difficult place to live. Stella, I think you of all people would know this; being attacked for no other reason than what you believe life should be isn’t much fun is it?
On the matter of opinions and beliefs, not every opinion is equal. Educated opinions-- meaning, someone has actual knowledge that they base thier ideas on-- get my respect, even when I don't agree with them-- and, in fact, a really educated opinion can change my mind. I do it more than you'd think.

But opinions based on belief? Beliefs based on opinions? It's a circle jerk. Unless you start from something that you didn't make up in your head, you shouldn't expect me to respect your opinion.

Do I get disrespect from people? of course I do. I get disrespect because of who I am. And the belief and opinion that I get mocked for? is that I have a right to be who I am.

You know that bit you so casually mention, that "no one is forced to follow the (catholic in this case) faith?" I have fought, for fifty years for the right to not follow society's assumptions. You're talking to the expert. It is not easy. It can be damn near suicidally hard, and I have survived, and compromised when I've had to, and changed things when I could, and thrived.

I 'believe" I have earned the right, and have the basis, to mock really stupid people's really stupid opinions. You'd do well to listen to mine. That's my opinion. :p
 
You know that bit you so casually mention, that "no one is forced to follow the (catholic in this case) faith?" I have fought, for fifty years for the right to not follow society's assumptions.

People are bound only by the chains of their mind.
 
It would be a complete waste of my time to respond to your posts!

Geez, it should be illegal to teach people to read who are void of common sense.

Considering I was not addressing you when I wrote those posts, i must agree; it would be a waste of time.

And by the way, children are taught to read before they are able to develop a proper individual grasp of common sense; if your totally lacking of sense idea should be passed, the world would be automatically rid of dim wits (presumably of my lot) to instead become a breeding farm for idiots (such of your like).

Think before your put something down in letter.
 
Has it occurred to anyone that maybe humans are not really monogamous, maybe we are really polyamorous? I read so many posts about couples who have been married for years and have stopped having sex with each other, yet one or both spouses look outside of the marriage for sex. Maybe that is what we are supposed to do; maybe we are supposed to have multiple sex partners simultaneously.

Gay couples are gaining their right to be married, (as they should), so why shouldn’t the rest of us make open-marriages socially acceptable and enjoy sex with whomever and where ever we wish?

oh dear....so open marriages and polyamorous relationships are NOT the norm..?
I am afraid no-one told me.....
sorry..thought this "adult "discussion could do with a little....lightening up....
 
oh dear....so open marriages and polyamorous relationships are NOT the norm..?
I am afraid no-one told me.....
sorry..thought this "adult "discussion could do with a little....lightening up....
who cares about the norm, Ms Clitty, so long as I get to tickle your fancy with my dancy?

(that could be a finger or a tongue or even a banana tip)
 
Try reading "The Human Sexes" by Desmond Morris.

The man clearly states there that the coronal ridge generates negative pressure during intercourse which helps to pull out of the vagina whatever remains of a previous intercourse there may be.
But to add a little more to the fire: only about 1% of all the spermatozoa present in an ejaculation are viable for reproduction; the majority of them have two or three heads, several tails and other abnormalities. And these are not errors of Nature or the result of sticking your cell phone in your crotch: these are specifically produced cells, created for the sole purpose of killing or retarding the movement of the spermatozoa of other men that may be inside the woman. This can be considered the dawn of biological warfare.

And the actual length of the penis is secondary; it takes no part in giving pleasure to the woman - girth is what matters. It is merely a quick evolutionary response to counter the more sophisticated mechanisms already present: if you can dump your load deeper, it needs to travel less to get to the finish line but if a "shorter" man can produce stronger and more abundant swimmers he wins the race by sheer force of numbers.

There have been studies done on this domain using state of the art medical imaging technology and what I've mentioned before was proven beyond any doubt. Its not debatable any more; these are proven facts. They've got real humans inside a MRI scan machine and recorded how Nature does its work unlike the doctor you've mentioned.

Desmond Morris is considered by many in the scientific community as a pseudo-scientist so I'm not sure just how much credibility to give his work. Not saying he is wrong just repeating a conflicting viewpoint. Not all his theories are widely accepted.

Your statement about the length of the penis sounds like the stuff we tell short dicked men to make them feel better. While girth is by most woman's admission more important then length most women would tell you a certain length is also a good thing as the feeling of being "filled up" brings them pleasure. So the statement that length takes no part in giving pleasure to a woman as an absolute is not correct. Most ladies would tell you they like 6-8 inches better than 3-5 inches of course knowing how to work what you got runs very high on the ladder too.

The highlighted portion of your statement is what interests me the most. This was my suggestion to Teknight when he reported a study with models of a pussy and cock. This I would give credibility. Now my real question is how many were excited under their white lab coats during the MRI
 
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oh dear....so open marriages and polyamorous relationships are NOT the norm..?
I am afraid no-one told me.....
sorry..thought this "adult "discussion could do with a little....lightening up....

Actually, the discussion does need lightening up. I don't know how we got off track with this inane discussion of coronal ridges. :)
 
It should remain grounds for divorce. Otherwise polyamory could be forced onto an unwilling partner. Adultery is grounds for divorce for a reason you cannot force people into polyamorous relationships.

This is a good point, but is it fair that people are forced into sexless , or sexually unfulfilling marriages as they are now?

We could say, if the marriage is sexless or unfulfilling, get a divorce and find someone else, but is that a good solution? In most divorces, (by the time the lawyers get finished), people lose the equity in their home, much of their investments and break up their family, often a family with children. Divorce is not a good option either.

We live in an age where people demand the right to live their life they wish. So how do you fix it when one spouse wants sex and the other does not, or one spouse wants to enjoy a particular fetish and the other does not?

You are right, it is not right to force polyamory on an unwilling partner, but it’s not right to force denial of sex on an unwilling partner either. How do you fix that? Perhaps eliminate marriage altogether?
 
Considering I was not addressing you when I wrote those posts, i must agree; it would be a waste of time.

Actually, you were addressing me. What has any of this crap you are posting have to do with the topic of the tread?
 
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Desmond Morris is considered by many in the scientific community as a pseudo-scientist so I'm not sure just how much credibility to give his work. Not saying he is wrong just repeating a conflicting viewpoint. Not all his theories are widely accepted.

Yes, I'm aware. Morris approach is controversial because he presents his theories from a zoologist point of view and its easy to sometimes feel that his scientific propositions are heavily loaded with personal opinion than actual facts.

I only quoted this book in particular because I debated it in Biology classes and many of what is stated there is researched from other works, either ongoing or finished at the time the book was published. The man puts everything in a more easy language for the common man to understand.

Your statement about the length of the penis sounds like the stuff we tell short dicked men to make them feel better. While girth is by most woman's admission more important then length most women would tell you a certain length is also a good thing as the feeling of being "filled up" brings them pleasure. So the statement that length takes no part in giving pleasure to a woman as an absolute is not correct. Most ladies would tell you they like 6-8 inches better than 3-5 inches of course knowing how to work what you got runs very high on the ladder too.

From a strict biological point of view, the length of the penis is negligible in terms of sexually stimulating an orgasm. The most sensible parts of the female genitalia are the labia and the clitoris which end up neglected during a "normal" intercourse".

The highlighted portion of your statement is what interests me the most. This was my suggestion to Teknight when he reported a study with models of a pussy and cock. This I would give credibility. Now my real question is how many were excited under their white lab coats during the MRI

I worked for three years in a medical devices company and a portion of the images recorded during this study (which I think is still in an ongoing stage) was sent to the company in order to be used as a feature/capabilities display of the equipments and I can assure you that is was anything _but_ exciting. Unless one has an extremely weird fetish involving medical procedures.

The only way one could start to look at those images and see anything else besides the cold technical display of body mechanics was to visualize full humans bodies which was hard because the imaging was limited to the study location.

I can't speak for the technicians and other scientific staff involved in study.
 
Yes, I'm aware. Morris approach is controversial because he presents his theories from a zoologist point of view and its easy to sometimes feel that his scientific propositions are heavily loaded with personal opinion than actual facts.

I only quoted this book in particular because I debated it in Biology classes and many of what is stated there is researched from other works, either ongoing or finished at the time the book was published. The man puts everything in a more easy language for the common man to understand.
As you say, he is... controversial. It might be best to preface anything he says with "Desmond Morris says" because yanno, fair warning and like that :)
From a strict biological point of view, the length of the penis is negligible in terms of sexually stimulating an orgasm. The most sensible parts of the female genitalia are the labia and the clitoris which end up neglected during a "normal" intercourse".
labia? No honey, the labia are no more sensible than, say, the knees. :confused:

And actually, Nature has provided, or might be in the process of providing us, with a lovely new interior enticement, the gspot. It's a mass of spongy tissue, analogous to the male prostate, and for many but not all woman can be very pleasurable when stimulated.

The cool think is that this spot is located well within a fingertip's depth for most women. A guy with three or four inches, if he knows where to poke it, can make a woman feel incredibly happy.
 
And actually, Nature has provided, or might be in the process of providing us, with a lovely new interior enticement, the gspot. It's a mass of spongy tissue, analogous to the male prostate, and for many but not all woman can be very pleasurable when stimulated.

Stella, I hope you don’t mind if I use your post as a point of entrance to give my opinion. I am just giving my opinion, and certainly would not challenge your knowledge of what is sexually stimulating for a woman.

I can speak only from my own experience, (which is obviously the male perspective), about what is sexually stimulating for a woman during intercourse. And yes, when I am in a long-term relationship, I do try to take notice as to what pleases a woman sexually and what does not.

Oddly enough, a good fit seems to be important. From my personal experience, when the depth of a woman’s vagina is the same as the length of a man’s penis, the woman seems to be more sexually satisfied overall. I do realize that a woman can become very excited sexually when taking an oversize cock at times; however, a woman does seem to be more satisfied with the overall relationship when the man’s cock fits her vagina. Not too big; not too small.

In my experience, if I take long strokes, the ridge around the head of my cock, (the coronal ridge), moves back and forth across her G-spot and excites her greatly. If my strokes are too short, there is nothing stimulating her G-spot, and sex is just ok. So, long strokes seem to be the best; however, you have to be careful not to pull out and hit the space between the vagina and anus, (I think it is called the perineum), on the way back in. That is painful and can suddenly be a real turn off for a woman.

How well the clitoris is stimulated during intercourse depends largely on body size and shape. If both the man and woman are slender, and the man can push his penis all the way in, the clit is stimulated by the pubic areas rubbing together; if the girth of the man’s cock is big enough to open her labia well enough to expose her clit, (which isn’t difficult, at least for me), and her clit is swollen and erect. Making sure her clit is swollen and erect is why foreplay is important. Particularly the man, but generally if one or both partners are heavy, the fat around the pubic area can nullify any stimulation of the clit.

Ejaculation does not seem to create any arousal; however, how a man ejaculates does seem to create a definite feeling of sexual satisfaction for a woman. If a woman still has her uterus, (and maybe it’s just me, but when I go to the bottom, I can tell whether or not the uterus is there), and I can ejaculate some semen through the cervix into her uterus/womb, it seems to give a woman a noticeable feeling of sexual satisfaction. I have no idea why, but a woman appears very different after sex when I am pushed up tight against her cervix when I ejaculate, than when I ejaculate in her vagina without being pushed against her cervix. It’s like she looks fulfilled.

Another thing I have noticed, (which has little to do with how well the cock fits in her vagina), if you can restrain a woman when she starts approaching an orgasm, it seems to intensify the orgasm. When I feel the woman becoming more aroused as she approaches orgasm, sometimes I will spread my legs outside of hers and pull her legs together, then lock her arms beside her body with my arms and thrust as hard as I can. Sometimes a woman just seems to go crazy when she orgasms this way. Not every woman, but more than a few.

One night when I restrained a woman this way, (it was the first time we had sex), her thrusting became so animated during orgasm, she bounced me off of the bed, and I landed on the hard floor beside the bed. Before I knew what happened, she was in my face screaming, angry as hell, because I got off during her orgasm. No calming her down that night. I was just glad I didn’t land face down; it could have ruined me for life. The point is, if you are with a woman whom you are not so familiar with how animated she may become during orgasm when restrained, slide you hands under her back so she can’t bounce you off.

My point is, I don’t read these pseudo scientific books and articles about how people are supposed to fuck, I just know how I like to fuck, and what works for me. Maybe some men use the ridge on their dick to scoop cum out of a pussy, but I use mine to stimulate the G-spot.

These are just my opinions :)
 
I'm not a medical person and it is all out of the realm of my expertise so I really can't argue this crap.

However, I will go on record to state I have a huge penis with a big fat mushroom tip that sends a lady into ecstasy hitherto unknown to most. I plunge my shit deep making their toes curls and I leave them so weak in the knees they can barely walk.

Yeah I'm braggin :rolleyes:
 
Nasty_Deeds, I think you just won yourself the Internet. :rose:


There are going to be some ladies fanning themselves after reading that!

;)
 
Stella, I hope you don’t mind if I use your post as a point of entrance to give my opinion. I am just giving my opinion, and certainly would not challenge your knowledge of what is sexually stimulating for a woman.

I can speak only from my own experience, (which is obviously the male perspective), about what is sexually stimulating for a woman during intercourse. And yes, when I am in a long-term relationship, I do try to take notice as to what pleases a woman sexually and what does not.

Oddly enough, a good fit seems to be important. From my personal experience, when the depth of a woman’s vagina is the same as the length of a man’s penis, the woman seems to be more sexually satisfied overall. I do realize that a woman can become very excited sexually when taking an oversize cock at times; however, a woman does seem to be more satisfied with the overall relationship when the man’s cock fits her vagina. Not too big; not too small.

In my experience, if I take long strokes, the ridge around the head of my cock, (the coronal ridge), moves back and forth across her G-spot and excites her greatly. If my strokes are too short, there is nothing stimulating her G-spot, and sex is just ok. So, long strokes seem to be the best; however, you have to be careful not to pull out and hit the space between the vagina and anus, (I think it is called the perineum), on the way back in. That is painful and can suddenly be a real turn off for a woman.

How well the clitoris is stimulated during intercourse depends largely on body size and shape. If both the man and woman are slender, and the man can push his penis all the way in, the clit is stimulated by the pubic areas rubbing together; if the girth of the man’s cock is big enough to open her labia well enough to expose her clit, (which isn’t difficult, at least for me), and her clit is swollen and erect. Making sure her clit is swollen and erect is why foreplay is important. Particularly the man, but generally if one or both partners are heavy, the fat around the pubic area can nullify any stimulation of the clit.

Ejaculation does not seem to create any arousal; however, how a man ejaculates does seem to create a definite feeling of sexual satisfaction for a woman. If a woman still has her uterus, (and maybe it’s just me, but when I go to the bottom, I can tell whether or not the uterus is there), and I can ejaculate some semen through the cervix into her uterus/womb, it seems to give a woman a noticeable feeling of sexual satisfaction. I have no idea why, but a woman appears very different after sex when I am pushed up tight against her cervix when I ejaculate, than when I ejaculate in her vagina without being pushed against her cervix. It’s like she looks fulfilled.

Another thing I have noticed, (which has little to do with how well the cock fits in her vagina), if you can restrain a woman when she starts approaching an orgasm, it seems to intensify the orgasm. When I feel the woman becoming more aroused as she approaches orgasm, sometimes I will spread my legs outside of hers and pull her legs together, then lock her arms beside her body with my arms and thrust as hard as I can. Sometimes a woman just seems to go crazy when she orgasms this way. Not every woman, but more than a few.

One night when I restrained a woman this way, (it was the first time we had sex), her thrusting became so animated during orgasm, she bounced me off of the bed, and I landed on the hard floor beside the bed. Before I knew what happened, she was in my face screaming, angry as hell, because I got off during her orgasm. No calming her down that night. I was just glad I didn’t land face down; it could have ruined me for life. The point is, if you are with a woman whom you are not so familiar with how animated she may become during orgasm when restrained, slide you hands under her back so she can’t bounce you off.

My point is, I don’t read these pseudo scientific books and articles about how people are supposed to fuck, I just know how I like to fuck, and what works for me. Maybe some men use the ridge on their dick to scoop cum out of a pussy, but I use mine to stimulate the G-spot.

These are just my opinions :)

I have circumvented all the above by giving her my credit card
 
Nasty_Deeds, I think you just won yourself the Internet. :rose:

There are going to be some ladies fanning themselves after reading that!

;)


I know this isn’t what women want to hear, but I’m not trying to be unselfish when I do this, I do this for myself. My experience has been that a woman’s orgasms can be progressive. They start small, and the more you stimulate her, the stronger they get until she has this really strong orgasm where her muscles tighten up and body gets hard, then she starts grinding her pelvis against mine. It doesn’t seem like she is conscious of doing it; it’s more like some kind of primal instinct. It’s in the middle of this strong orgasm that a woman squirts. The fluid that squirts out of her urethra isn’t urine, it clear, doesn’t have an odor and when it dries, it doesn’t leave a stain, but it’s noticeably, hotter than skin temperature.

When I feel this hot gush over my balls, it makes my stomach muscles tighten and I automatically push deep against her cervix. If she has a uterus, I can feel the head of my cock pushed tight against it. The combination of her grinding her pelvis against mine, the hot flush over my balls and feeling her pussy muscles tighten; it feels like she is milking my balls dry.

I think most men are dominant during intercourse; the man is on top, planting his seed in her womb, until a woman reaches this orgasm. When a woman reaches this orgasm, (it’s an emotional feeling), I can just feel her take control. It’s like she is draining my cum from me, and I couldn’t stop her if I wanted to. It’s like she has hold of me, not physically, but by some unseen force, and holding me and draining me. It is the most extraordinary feeling when I cum. This is the weirdest part; it doesn’t even feel like a normal male orgasm, it feels more like what a woman describes as her orgasm. It starts in my lower abdomen and undulates upward until I can feel my whole body shake, and it lasts as long as her orgasm lasts. When it’s finished, she has this beautiful angelic look about her, but me, I am drained like a dried out husk. But it is a remarkable feeling.

Once when I was feeling cocky and apparently stupid, I ask a woman, (I don’t remember the exact words), but to the effect of, what my performance was like during our intercourse. Honest to God, she looked at me with this confused look on her face and sheepishly said, “I kind of don’t remember you being there”. I can only imagine what the orgasm felt like to her; however, it did make me feel pretty insignificant and I did learn not to ask stupid questions after that.
 
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Labia? No honey, the labia are no more sensible than, say, the knees. :confused:

And actually, Nature has provided, or might be in the process of providing us, with a lovely new interior enticement, the gspot. It's a mass of spongy tissue, analogous to the male prostate, and for many but not all woman can be very pleasurable when stimulated.

The cool think is that this spot is located well within a fingertip's depth for most women. A guy with three or four inches, if he knows where to poke it, can make a woman feel incredibly happy.

Labia Minori, to be more precise? All women I have been with stated that they received stimulation there during intercourse (man, this a strange word, no matter how many times I repeat it) and my wife says the same, so... there must be some truth in this.

But I agree. The G spot seems to be on the rage lately. It was about time. Its been "discovered" a long time ago... Now all it needs is to be divulged.
 
Labia Minori, to be more precise? All women I have been with stated that they received stimulation there during intercourse (man, this a strange word, no matter how many times I repeat it) and my wife says the same, so... there must be some truth in this.

But I agree. The G spot seems to be on the rage lately. It was about time. Its been "discovered" a long time ago... Now all it needs is to be divulged.


"The rage lately"? "Needs to be divulged"? Have you been living under a rock? Women have known about their G-spot since there have been women. I think the thing that astounds me the most about your post is that you are actually trying to tell a woman what her pussy feels like.
 
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