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Trump isn’t a populist.
Ha! You are such a dummy.

“Trump's rhetoric has its roots in a populist political method that suggests nationalistic answers to political, economic, and social problems. Policies include immigration restrictionism, trade protectionism, isolationism, migrant family separation and opposition to entitlement reform.”

Wikipedia
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Ha! You are such a dummy.

“Trump's rhetoric has its roots in a populist political method that suggests nationalistic answers to political, economic, and social problems. Policies include immigration restrictionism, trade protectionism, isolationism, migrant family separation and opposition to entitlement reform.”

Wikipedia
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I’m shocked, shocked that you weren’t honest. Here’s how Wikipedia defines populism. Again, hobnobbing with the financial elite of Wall St and installing a cabinet of billionaires is the opposite of populism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop...of,establishment and anti-political sentiment.

A common framework for interpreting populism is known as the ideational approach: this defines populism as an ideology that presents "the people" as a morally good force and contrasts them against "the elite", who are portrayed as corrupt and self-serving.[4]Populists differ in how "the people" are defined, but it can be based along class, ethnic, or national lines. Populists typically present "the elite" as comprising the political, economic, cultural, and media establishment, depicted as a homogeneous entity and accused of placing their own interests, and often the interests of other groups—such as large corporations, foreign countries, or the ruling political party—above the interests of "the people".[5] According to the ideational approach, populism is often combined with other ideologies, such as nationalism, liberalism, socialism, capitalism or consumerism.
 
I’m shocked, shocked that you weren’t honest. Here’s how Wikipedia defines populism. Again, hobnobbing with the financial elite of Wall St and installing a cabinet of billionaires is the opposite of populism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism#:~:text=Populism is a range of,establishment and anti-political sentiment.

A common framework for interpreting populism is known as the ideational approach: this defines populism as an ideology that presents "the people" as a morally good force and contrasts them against "the elite", who are portrayed as corrupt and self-serving.[4]Populists differ in how "the people" are defined, but it can be based along class, ethnic, or national lines. Populists typically present "the elite" as comprising the political, economic, cultural, and media establishment, depicted as a homogeneous entity and accused of placing their own interests, and often the interests of other groups—such as large corporations, foreign countries, or the ruling political party—above the interests of "the people".[5] According to the ideational approach, populism is often combined with other ideologies, such as nationalism, liberalism, socialism, capitalism or consumerism.
Poor lance. Stupid and desperate.
 
Labour Party has history here too. The last Labour government promised the electorate a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and then reneged on that after getting elected.

In 2016 Starmer said he respected the outcome of the referendum and then spent the following years conspiring to overturn it :rolleyes: .

As for the Tories, the party was very split and pulling in different directions. David Davis ( a leaver ) , the UK's original Brexit negotiator, quit because Theresa May ( a remainer ) kept going over his head and making concessions to the EU. And so it went on...

Even within the Brexiteer ranks there were different views of the kind of arrangement UK should have with the EU. Daniel Hannan said after the referendum was won it became clear to him very quickly that soft Brexiteers like himself who had envisaged a Norway type relationship were very much the minority and most Brexiteers wanted a much more arms-length relationship with the EU.
Yeah, it was obvious that Tory leadership were dragging their feet and I never heard a solid reason why articulated.
 
he did too and he'll do it again. You won't know until you put down the bong.
We didn't get prosperity out of Trump's first term -- we didn't get security -- we didn't even get basic competence. What did we get?
 
We got plenty.

1) Environmental de-regulation, resulting in accelerating deterioration of climate and environment.
2) inflamed tensions in the Middle East as a result of deliberately, and unilaterally, renewing hostilities with Iran.
3) Higher taxes on the working class. Lower taxes on the wealthy.
4) a legacy of reduced freedoms as a result of stocking the courts with activist justices.
5) Pardons for war criminals.
6) Concentration camps for immigrants.
7) A HUGE increase in the deficit resulting from the tax cuts on the wealthy (that the tax increases on the lower and middle class were not able to offset.)
8) A normalization of hate and racism resulting in attacks against, and even discriminatory Jim-Crow era laws against, people of color.

I could go on but the point is, yes, Trump did accomplish a lot in his first term.

Almost none of it was good.
However, there are some sociopaths out there who believe that ALL of this was good- people who claim to love America, but who obviously do NOT.
 
6) Concentration camps for immigrants.
I expect we're going to see that again.
7) A HUGE increase in the deficit resulting from the tax cuts on the wealthy (that the tax increases on the lower and middle class were not able to offset.)
And certainly that. Does anybody here really believe anything this DOGE does is going to shrink the deficit?
 
Interestingly, the most Trump-like foreigner who actually is in power is India's Narendra Modi.

And of course there is also Orban in Hungary, Putin in Russia, Erdogan in Turkey, and every Supreme Leader of Iran from Khomeini on. And maybe Kim in NK, though he might belong in a different category, as not basing his power on ignorant populism (but he is just as much a nationalist xenophobe as the others).

But, despite the OP, it does not really appear any more countries in Europe are in danger of a Trumpian movement coming to power. Certainly Nigel Farage is not going to be PM, nor anyone from Reform UK.
 
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Labour Party has history here too. The last Labour government promised the electorate a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and then reneged on that after getting elected.

In 2016 Starmer said he respected the outcome of the referendum and then spent the following years conspiring to overturn it :rolleyes: .

As for the Tories, the party was very split and pulling in different directions. David Davis ( a leaver ) , the UK's original Brexit negotiator, quit because Theresa May ( a remainer ) kept going over his head and making concessions to the EU. And so it went on...

Even within the Brexiteer ranks there were different views of the kind of arrangement UK should have with the EU. Daniel Hannan said after the referendum was won it became clear to him very quickly that soft Brexiteers like himself who had envisaged a Norway type relationship were very much the minority and most Brexiteers wanted a much more arms-length relationship with the EU.
Excellent summary of the last eight years. For me the turning point came in 1992 with the Treaty of Maastricht. The establishment of the EU, the single currency, the East European expansion etc. was a plan for mission creep. The leaders in Brussels, Paris and especially in a reunified Germany just saw that they were able to accumulate power and glory without resorting to the methods of the 1920s and 1930s. They masqueraded in a cloak of democracy but in reality the elite of Europe manipulated referenda and forced through an agenda without any accountability for their actions.

The result, in my opinion at least, has been decades of lurching from one crisis to the next, never really solving the problems that they had created. Europe is a weaker block than it was thirty years ago.Starmer and co. will make a bad situation worse for us in the United Kingdom with their current policies.

It is a shame that Farage and Badenoch will not see fit to join in a loose alliance!
 
The leaders in Brussels, Paris and especially in a reunified Germany just saw that they were able to accumulate power and glory without resorting to the methods of the 1920s and 1930s.
That is an utterly ridiculous comparison.
 
That is an utterly ridiculous comparison.
For someone who did not know what the Reform party was and who its leaders are that is a ridiculous comment. The whole purpose for the Treaty of Maastricht , refined fifteen years later by the Treaty of Lisbon, was to create a United States of Europe. Why else create a Single Market? Why create the Schengen travel area, no need for a passport to travel within the area.

Merkel’s decision to open Germany’s borders to unlimited numbers of asylum seekers in 2015, in effect opened the borders of all Travel Area nations ie Biden’s open border policy for all comers on a continental stage.

Even the Republic of Ireland, which cannot join the Schengen area because of Common travel area border with Northern Ireland cannot prevent migrants from outside Europe travel from the Continent. This is creating a massive housing shortage. If, as seems likely, the EU forces the Republic to raise corporate taxes above the current very low levels, Irexit will very quickly become a populist policy.

Mr P stick to spouting your usual nonsense on topics that you might know a little about!
 
For someone who did not know what the Reform party was and who its leaders are that is a ridiculous comment. The whole purpose for the Treaty of Maastricht , refined fifteen years later by the Treaty of Lisbon, was to create a United States of Europe.
Exactly! And it's ridiculous to compare that to 1920s fascists!
 
Exactly! And it's ridiculous to compare that to 1920s fascists!
Exactly What? Referenda were ignored! Countries were TOLD to vote a second time and were bribed with short term political/economic gains. The whole political timetable is set out by the Commissioners in Brussels and approved by Paris and Berlin. The electorate has no say once the decision has been made.

The Dictators in Europe in the 20s and 30s made the decisions regardless of the wishes of their countrymen, just like the EU today. What they are not copying is the Concentration Camp plan. Instead in the twenty first century they ignore opposition and carry on regardless. Even your beloved Social Democrats make no impression.

Wise up to reality Mr P. At least for now great things are happening in your own country. Keep up your good fight there.
 
What they are not copying is the Concentration Camp plan.
What they are not copying is the nationalism, the populism, and the military aggression. That makes all the difference. A United Europe -- or a United Earth -- is a noble goal if it can be accomplished without those.
 
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