Ownership

[Netzach]

For what it is worth.... I just peed. No one was looking.. I had all the privacy I needed.

ITW, not all owners have an interest in micromanagment of thier charges.
That's one of the more common myths I have come across with those who can't wrap thier heads around the whole ownership thing.

Also, many slaves 'become something'. Ownership is not all about limiting the property. Many owners promote the personal growth and experience and education and achievements of skills etc ect ... of thier property.

I am owned, and since being owned have grown bigger and better and with more momentum than prior to being owned.

There's so much about this type of relationship that many just can't wrap thier heads around. Until people who don't have this type of relationship get past falling so quick and easy for the myths, it won't change. It's just another symptom of what wannabes, fakes, posers, and roleplayers have brought to the table of ownership relationships. Sucks but that is how it goes.

I agree in a lot of ways. To me, slavery/indenture has the facet of, yes, working for me and enriching me. Monetarily as well as in many other ways, much as other people might find that problematic. I have multiple interests in H finishing that book and lighting the programming world on fire - mainly among them I like owning a respected accomplished etc. slave more than I like having my house dusted with toothbrushes, and two - $. For him to get into my geographic region and maybe to spoil me with a bit as well.

Use is big for me, and usefulness is huge.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Please don't take this as hostile and tell me, well, it works for me, so fuck up. I get that it works for you, and I'm not trying to stop you. Just trying to understand how one gets into that headspace.

I don't take it as hostile...at least you ask and don't assume because you feel one way everyone else does too or they are not being honest. My answer as to how you get in the headspace would be it is something that gets into your headspace because it is a need inside you, not something that I or anyone can give another a formula to follow to get there. You're saying there are things you wish to do in life does not mean you cannot be a slave to someone in the same way I am....F is happy for me to have interests and insists I try to improve my skills as it then makes me more valueable to him and pleases him...he also is happy for me to handle our finances because he feels I have extraordinary talents in that area (living below the poverty line with 2 children is a great teacher), and he hates doing it.

That being said, if he stopped me from doing something I love such as photography, I would not be over the moon but I would obey and respect his choice and likely hope he changed his mind somewhere down the line. I have been fortunate to have already achieved a lot of things I never dreamed possible both professionally and personally, so for that reason I was also in the right place in my life to commit to such a relationship....could I have done it 15-20 years ago? Probably not without a lot of angst, heartache and frustration. There are so many factors which make it possible and part of it is also knowing how it best works for you. I could not do it long distance and rarely seeing each other in RL...for me that would just not gel and even the short period we were apart while I organised things to move was difficult and fraught with high emotions for both of us....for others it is perfect.

Catalina

 

[intothewoods]

Sinn The pee thing...I did actually have discussions about. <shudder> Thank you for your response. I'll be back later to post more in response...


And in response to Mr. Mohegan - oh yes, in a scene, the words "that pussy is mine" (hell, all the time, actually) are very, very hawt.

 

[catalina_francisco]

so if your owner decided he/she wanted to have a 'nilla relationship, you'd stay?

LOL, if you knew F you would know that just won't happen because to him vanilla is not just poison, but has never worked for him to the point of him wondering if he had serious problems which prevented him having sexual feelings at all...but yes, I am his slave and until he releases me from that state my place is here with him.

Catalina

 

[JMohegan]

OT!! OT!! ALERT

pwned is internet gaming slang - not really confined to teen speak.

Ah, okay. Thanks.

 

[Homburg]

I'm not sure this works for me either. I know some feel that you cannot be M/s and 'in love' for it to work because it makes you vulnerable to that person, and subsequently able to be controlled by that love. For me I see that as subjective to the people involved. I love my children to bits, but there have been moments when I have had to call manipulation for what it was and as hard as it was, not give into that manipulation. Similarly, if I pulled the same shit on F he would do the same, not cave in because he is in love with me...and if he did, that love would be seriously brought into question and a lot of talking required. Walking is not an option, so we work on it, but his love for me does not mean the M/s dynamic is under threat or compromised....not personal, just I have been reading the posts claiming it is not possible and until now not been upright enough long enough to answer from our experience and perspective.

Catalina

I understand, and am basically with you. The short form of what I was saying was that any relationship in which you feel dep love for someone, they own a piece of you. I was simply arguing there against the whole unvoiced concept of "I own you, you do not own me".

I can see using the term ownership in regards to someone that I am in love with. It becomes my responsibility at that point to ensure that this person was not abusing my emotions to counteract my will. In short, what you are saying.

This also implies varying degrees of ownership. This adds more complexity to the conversation.

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And to clarify something I wrote poorly:

Originally Posted by Homburg
As other people have said in this thread, anyone you love deeply owns you. My kids own me. What does that matter?

"Deeply" goes with "love", not "owns".

 

[catalina_francisco]

Comparing someone in a relationship with a person they vetted for months and picked to someone shipped involuntarily or misleadingly from China to NYC to work in a sweatshop is apples/oranges.

No, apples/pomeranians.

Netz I admire respect you and your opinions, but our ways of living M/s are different....even so, I don't call into question whether yours is as real as mine, or even fact at all....I get tired of it becoming an issue on this forum over and over and referred to as nothing more than role play we like to pretend is fact.

I was not comparing any fruit, just responding to a statement that because it is illegal to own a human it could not be a fact (there was no outline of it being fact in one context and not another)...when clearly it still is real and fact in the mainstream world and in this lifestyle.

Catalina

 

[h_i_s]

i don't know. i think if you are owned then you're owned - you can't have conditions upon the relationship. but we all have them. your owner meets your criteria so you get together. if your owner stopped meeting your criteria, would you stick around?

Fuck yeah. I would.
In fact, I DO.

You are very confused about one of the main points of this relationship: I don't even have a criteria. That went out the window sometime in June '04. I meet HIS criteria.. and how much I approve of or like His criteria means nothing unless He decides it should.

 

[catalina_francisco]

And to emphasise something I write poorly:

LOL, I think you write beautfully and have a very special heart...sort of remind me of F in some ways.

Catalina

 

[serijules]

The toasters are for lesbian conversions, everyone knows that.

I didn't get one

 

[lux221]

Fuck yeah. I would.
In fact, I DO.

You are very confused about one of the main points of this relationship: I don't even have a criteria. That went out the window sometime in June '04. I meet HIS criteria.. and how much I approve of or like His criteria means nothing unless He decides it should.

really? you didn't have a basic criteria of what you were looking for in an owner?

 

[Netzach]

Netz I admire respect you and your opinions, but our ways of living M/s are different....even so, I don't call into question whether yours is as real as mine, or even fact at all....I get tired of it becoming an issue on this forum over and over and referred to as nothing more than role play we like to pretend is fact.

I was not comparing any fruit, just responding to a statement that because it is illegal to own a human it could not be a fact (there was no outline of it being fact in one context and not another)...when clearly it still is real and fact in the mainstream world and in this lifestyle.

Catalina

I think both are factual and real, but that there are some serious and critical differences. And I think that mowing over these differences in the name of making the point that your stauts is real and enforced by F does a disservice to people who are being seriously and unequivocally oppressed, that's my point.

 

[Homburg]

LOL, I think you write beautfully and have a very special heart...sort of remind me of F in some ways.

Catalina

Given the accord you hold for F, I consider that a very serious compliment.

Thank you

 

[h_i_s]

LOL, I think you write beautfully and have a very special heart...sort of remind me of F in some ways.

Catalina

Ditto.
IYM was sitting here beside me and as I read one of Homburg's posts.. we laughed.. and not in an 'at Him' way... but in an 'I can appreciate and relate to that and he said it with such a good sense of humor' type of way.

Homburg's posts are pretty genuine, simple and to the point, usually, and wrapped with a generous amount of very good humor.


I especially appreciate his sig line that suggests that he is a very hairy guy. First time I read it, thought to myself, now that is one of the most simple down to earth and BEST sigs I have seen.

 

[JMohegan]

I think both are factual and real, but that there are some serious and critical differences. And I think that mowing over these differences in the name of making the point that your stauts is real and enforced by F does a disservice to people who are being seriously and unequivocally oppressed, that's my point.

A point with which I concur 100%.

 

[h_i_s]

really? you didn't have a basic criteria of what you were looking for in an owner?

Scroll back and read it again.
I didn't say that. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

THIS is what I was referring to of your post:

if your owner stopped meeting your criteria, would you stick around?

There are portions of His criteria that HAVE changed since He claimed ownership of me in '04.
I am still here so what is the point you wish to attempt to prove here lux?

 

[serijules]

Well, the OP did begin her post by saying she's uncomfortable with the term "ownership."

And then invited discussion to help her understand and be less uncomfortable with it

But there are many aspects of 24-7 M/s relationships that trouble me. Being a parent and a slave is a giant one for me. But let's put that aside, because I'm tired of being all milf-y. Not everyone (by a long shot) is this extreme, but here are some of the things that I just can't fathom: letting someone have complete control over your finances, or your career or other important life choices, not having any privacy, even to go the bathroom, not being able to say no. I think it's just so antithetical to how I view my goals and purpose in life. I have things I want to accomplish, things I want to learn. I want to really and truly become something - this person that I envision - and I can't do that if someone else is making the choices for me.

No hostility taken. Just as you don't understand, I don't understand what's so hard to wrap your (general) mind around.

My life goals and accomplishments do not depend on how much privacy I have in the bathroom or who's name is on the checkbook. My goals and accomplishments depend on my character, my moral, my personality, my strength. All things my owner loves about me and wants to help strengthen in me. I am creative and artistic. Ma'am adores that skill in me and encourages it in many ways.

She isn't going to make choices for me that weaken me and the things she loves about me.

She IS probably going to watch me go to the bathroom to humiliate me.

It has zero effect on the strong, stable person I am with dreams and plans. I found an owner that fits with me in that regard, that has the same ideals as I do and will help me reach those goals, even if I am kneeling at her feet and she is denying me all sorts of insignificant (in the scope of things) desires.

That's something you have to keep in mind...if you look at all the owned slaves on this board....me, catalina, ownedsubgal, and whomever else I am missing....all of us are perfectly content in relationships with owners who share the same ideals and goals for us that we do for ourselves. We have found people that mix well into our big pictures, people that we know are going to be positive parts of our lives and vice versa.

D wants some things of me that are hard....to move to be with her, which is something I want too, but I have a hard time setting into motion as it means leaving my family whom I am very close to, and making arrangements that are not convenient as she is allergic to my pets. She could very well order me to give away my pets and just leave my family and business. I know she isn't someone who would do that, and instead she is giving me the time I need and making sacrifices because she knows doing otherwise would be a negative impact on me...on US. I wouldn't be with someone that doesn't understand the importance of family.

The biggest issue a slave has to face, is making a judgement call on the person they give themselves over to. Not everyone is cut out for that. That's fine.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I think both are factual and real, but that there are some serious and critical differences. And I think that mowing over these differences in the name of making the point that your stauts is real and enforced by F does a disservice to people who are being seriously and unequivocally oppressed, that's my point.

I actually wasn't mowing over the differences and unlike some who have posted here, I have no desire to be one of those unfortunate enough to not be given the choice...I was responding to a point owning a human was not a fact which to me was mowing over the fact there are oppressed people all over the world tonight who do not have a choice. My status was a choice and I never bury that or neglect to mention it, nor equate it to the oppressed or discredit their status...I really can't see how my mentioing our relationship can be seen as mowing over the oppression of modern day slavery.

Catalina

 

[lux221]

Scroll back and read it again.
I didn't say that. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

THIS is what I was referring to of your post:

There are portions of His criteria that HAVE changed since He claimed ownership of me in '04.
I am still here so what is the point you wish to attempt to prove here lux?

Er, i wasn't trying to prove a point. I was just looking for conversation. i'm sorry.

 

[h_i_s]

Er, i wasn't trying to prove a point. I was just looking for conversation. i'm sorry.

k.. accepted.
calling it even.. truce, whatever it's called.
Peace? lol heh

P.S. As an after thought only.. nothing more: Just do not PM me please..... my instincts tell me to put an end to this before it gets started.. If you had no thought to PM me at this point begging for cyber sex or naked images of feet or vaginal region.. please disregard this portion of my post. Thanks.

 

[lux221]

k.. accepted.
calling it even.. truce, whatever it's called.
Peace? lol heh

thanks. i really didn't mean to come off like an ass.

peace

 

[SubKekiLee]

When I was RH's sub, I never considered myself a slave and he didn't treat me that way. I was his owned submissive and felt very prized. He told me on many an occasion that it was his job to care for and protect me and he did in many ways.

I knew that even being married, I belonged to RH and that meant he owned my body as well as my mind and I never questioned it...reveled in it as a matter of fact because it was very natural to be owned by him.

Bravo Nala.. Incredibly well said.. I feel the same when I decide I am going to become someone sub, right now I am Sir's pet, he doesnt take the collaring thing easy so he said I have to work at being his pet for now and if someday he feels the need to collar me he will.. but I am still his.. and he KNOWS this..

 

[dolf]

I can believe I am a tree, but if I and my partner are the only people who believe this to be true, people are not going to water me and let their dogs pee on my feet. Unless maybe you explain a LOT and they happen to be receptive and of like mind. It's a fact and a reality in one context and if you shift context into the public it is neither.

Which doesn't make it not a fact and a reality in the first context.

I don't know anyone who is anything across the board at all times. We're always moving around in different contexts, so to me it's kind of silly to negate it because you have to go get groceries or something.

a silly and extreme example BUT it does illustrate the point.

the reality...
he's a stronger personality so i let him take the lead.
the role play...
i'll belong to him as property.

it's only real in your own mind.
does that make it of any less value though?

 

[lux221]

let me try again, please.

your way of life intrigues me. i'm owned. but i have hard limits;

death
maiming
or doing either of these things to anyone else

does your owner have rules set for you and otherwise you can do what you want within the confines of what he allows, or what you know he will allow (this is our dynamic, btw) or does he micromanage?

 

[Homburg]

Ditto.
IYM was sitting here beside me and as I read one of Homburg's posts.. we laughed.. and not in an 'at Him' way... but in an 'I can appreciate and relate to that and he said it with such a good sense of humor' type of way.

Homburg's posts are pretty genuine, simple and to the point, usually, and wrapped with a generous amount of very good humor.


I especially appreciate his sig line that suggests that he is a very hairy guy. First time I read it, thought to myself, now that is one of the most simple down to earth and BEST sigs I have seen.

Y'all are making me blush.

I'm a Dom, I make other people blush!

*Shatner voice*
Must ... regain... cool... aloofness