Poetry Discussion Circle - part 2

[annaswirls]

Okay maybe I am being nit-picky here, but what has been proposed for critique is not a rubric. A rubric is used to evaulate/assess/score a project-- writing or otherwise.

I know it is just semantics, or word choice. It is the wrong word when used in this context.

Here is a rubric:

Rubric Sample

(no I am not proposing we use this one, just the first sample I found out there. I used them all the time in my former life )

I also think that the guidelines (which are good) laid out by Angeline should be a part of a list of suggestions. That way if someone is not giving more in depth critiques, then a moderator could pm them the list as a gentle reminder. After all, many people jump right to the end of a thread without even reading the first post that gives the guidelines.

I will look at the list of guidelines and see what other options there could be. I encourage others to do the same. That way maybe we could ask people to at least cover 2-3 of the suggested guidelines in order to allow for flexibility to allow for different critiquing styles and poems.

Respectfully submitted,

annaswirls

 

[flyguy69]

I remember gnashing my teeth trying to get all sides the same color.


And you're right, Anna: a rubric leads to a grade, a way of sorting a pile from best to worst. Since we don't care whose poem is the best, we really want guidelines for critique. Flexible guidelines.

Okay maybe I am being nit-picky here, but what has been proposed for critique is not a rubric. A rubric is used to evaulate/assess/score a project-- writing or otherwise.

I know it is just semantics, or word choice. It is the wrong word when used in this context.

Here is a rubric:

Rubric Sample

(no I am not proposing we use this one, just the first sample I found out there. I used them all the time in my former life )

I also think that the guidelines (which are good) laid out by Angeline should be a part of a list of suggestions. That way if someone is not giving more in depth critiques, then a moderator could pm them the list as a gentle reminder. After all, many people jump right to the end of a thread without even reading the first post that gives the guidelines.

I will look at the list of guidelines and see what other options there could be. I encourage others to do the same. That way maybe we could ask people to at least cover 2-3 of the suggested guidelines in order to allow for flexibility to allow for different critiquing styles and poems.

Respectfully submitted,

annaswirls

 

[annaswirls]

i love when you gnash your teeth

I remember gnashing my teeth trying to get all sides the same color.


And you're right, Anna: a rubric leads to a grade, a way of sorting a pile from best to worst. Since we don't care whose poem is the best, we really want guidelines for critique. Flexible guidelines.

 

[flyguy69]

i love when you gnash your teeth

Please, a little justification for your love! Was it the alignment of my teeth? The accompaning snarl? The day-old stubble? Follow the guidelines when giving feedback, please.

 

[annaswirls]

it's additive, baby

Please, a little justification for your love! Was it the alignment of my teeth? The accompaning snarl? The day-old stubble? Follow the guidelines when giving feedback, please.

love needs no justification!
no meter stick!
love has it's reasons
which reason cannot know!
no standard deviation
(okay, maybe a little deviation)



besides you missed the main criteria
Location! Location! Location!

 

[twelveoone]

Okay maybe I am being nit-picky here, but what has been proposed for critique is not a rubric. A rubric is used to evaulate/assess/score a project-- writing or otherwise.

I know it is just semantics, or word choice. It is the wrong word when used in this context.

Here is a rubric:

Rubric Sample

(no I am not proposing we use this one, just the first sample I found out there. I used them all the time in my former life )

I also think that the guidelines (which are good) laid out by Angeline should be a part of a list of suggestions. That way if someone is not giving more in depth critiques, then a moderator could pm them the list as a gentle reminder. After all, many people jump right to the end of a thread without even reading the first post that gives the guidelines.

I will look at the list of guidelines and see what other options there could be. I encourage others to do the same. That way maybe we could ask people to at least cover 2-3 of the suggested guidelines in order to allow for flexibility to allow for different critiquing styles and poems.

Respectfully submitted,

annaswirls

OH, OH
that logical thing is going to kill me, not to mention "The main idea of all paragraphs is unclear." and a few of the others.

I don't know what the fuck he is talking about - Perks
Stream of consciousness. . .or at least semi. - YDD

Both quotes taken out of context, BTW

Here, I think you have to get a subjective evaulation of why it either works or fails for you, do you think it does what the authour intended.

 

[annaswirls]

OH, OH
that logical thing is going to kill me, not to mention "The main idea of all paragraphs is unclear." and a few of the others.

I don't know what the fuck he is talking about - Perks
Stream of consciousness. . .or at least semi. - YDD

Both quotes taken out of context, BTW

Here, I think you have to get a subjective evaulation of why it either works or fails for you, do you think it does what the authour intended.

ru talkin about the middle school rubric I linked to? Hell, I hope I don't get graded on the logical factor. Or theme for that matter. Although it would be interesting to put my work to that standard.

eek! wonder what my 8th grade english teacher would think of my crap.

"Back to Jack Frost deary!
Jack Frost and Butterflies dreaming they are Butterflies,
Oh the flap and flutter that drives these winds!
Girl you dreamed that you dreamed it all!
Discovering what you thought you had invented!
Go back to that place of learning
what everyone before you knows.

Move your cliche to the next highest level!
Jennifer! You are tread water!
Backstroke baby, watch that sky!"

 

[CharleyH]

raw bump and major grind

 

[CharleyH]

raw bump and major grind

Bump again. 1201? Baby, get serious, seriously, and back to your own self or sex?

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Just want to let you all know I'm back. I still need to unpack and finally get some sleep, so I will only start thinking about this again, but I'm here.

 

[BooMerengue]

Welcome home.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Thanks!

I talked to Laurel, and she's just waiting for my sign to set up the sub-forum. I just need to put together a thread with the rules and procedures first, but we should have a new venue for in-depth poetry discussion in no time.

 

[The Poets]

The Poetry Discussion Circle has been created.

The first poem up for discussion is wildsweetone's "Pay Up". Let's make this work, Poets!

 

[twelveoone]

Only if you've been distracted and forgot to read the two threads about it so far.


Completely open to everyone who wishes to give and receive focused poetry critique, engage in sound discussions and grow.

is this not the same as chit chat? I am not debating what is inevitable only pointing out that the same POETS that critique now will critic there and there is no one 'here' with a professional CREDIT to say they know what they are talking about, there fore it is another 'Hang out' for what is being coined as the more serious poets. So Be It, have fun and enjoy doing what it is you like to do.

Each person sees things from their own perspective, and this is why practically everyone in the forum has voted in favour of this sub-forum's creation: it will be a venue for interested poets to hear those individual perspectives, in-depth, honest, and stripped of chit-chat and fluff.

poetry feedback and Discussion ...who would have thought of that? Like I said ...have fun, play the way that makes you happy, just don't pull the wool over peoples eyes about the seriousness of this circle your creating. I have to admit you have my curiousity on how this will be any different (~_*) from the thin skinned ramblings.

I have never hid my distaste for poetry disecting, it is not a pass time of mine though so many like to take them apart and re create that is where we differ, as for grow, I do not know a single poet here who does not want to grow. We are all different flowers, there-fore grow in our own way. GOOD LUCK and bottom line ...HAVE FUN

Here, well within bounds. An opinion. However, a bit stange that "Poetry Feed Back and Discussion" has to become a "Poetry Descussion Circle" while he crowds out the rest of it with his five soap boxes. Two of which are so laughably named.
Academy, my ass - to receive a Doctorate, even a Masters, you have to write a thesis and DEFEND IT , po'boy can't even defend his "po'try".